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Stimulants Anything like Speed without insomnia and hangover?

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irritator

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Hello bl-users, does any drug exist which is similar to speed in terms of mood lift, concentration etc but without its side effects like insomnia and the "gergeous" comedown?
An idea would be really appreciated.
 
Cocaine maybe? Comedown's still bad but not as prolonged as amphetamine. Plus you will be able to sleep that night, assuming you stop(easier said than done). Don't find it that good for concentration though.

Every upper will give a crash and insomnia, that's the nature of the beast. Supposedly phenmetrazine comes close to what you describe. It could just be selective memory on the part of it's enthusiasts. But you'll sooner find real pharm-grade Quaaludes than phenmetrazine.
 
Yep. All the stimulants have comedowns. Cocaine is short-acting and has a shorter comedown, but it still has a comedown, and if you're doing enough cocaine to equal the duration of amphetamine, the comedown won't be very fun at all.
 
Yes, cocaine. I have never experienced a bad come down or bad insomnia from cocasine, but I am very careful to limit my use (because I am paranoid about having a heart attack). I find that one decent session with cocaine, where I get decently, has a very manageable come down that does not last too long and if you have some opiates or benzos to take its a non issue. Be careful thouh, cocaine is very addictive.
 
i find MPH to be pretty benign, but i know of a lot of people who will disagree with me on that.
 
tricomb said:
FYI, taking chelated magnesium and maintaining proper diet and hydration with amphetamines drastically reduces negative symptoms.
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Is it best to take the magnesium at the same time as the amphetamine? In my case they are extended release addys.
 
irritator (or w/e OP name was)- Don't listen to people saying cocaine. Personally, I crash incomparaby worse from decent street coke than I do from MA. If I were you, who apparently gets a bad amp crash, I'd veer away from all "drug" stimulants.
I'd recommend DMAE for you. It's hit and miss apparently for some people, but I've used many different stimulants, and if you're not looking for a real big "high", but a mood lift, and increased concentration, it could be for you. Not to mention, it'd be hard to argue that anything else recommended here wouldn't be worse for you haha. You either have to take it on a fairly empty stomach, or put it under your tongue if you've eaten recently. It was once scripted as an ADD med (deanol) a long time ago, but didn't go through needed testing to stay on the market. Now you can find it as a supplement. Most doses are too high, either 100mg or 350mg. You should try maby 60mg orally to start. If that works, don't use more, as tolerance would build very quick if you use the amounts that the capsules come in.

Another note, get magnesium chelate if you're using ANY real stimulants like coke or amphetamines. You'll probably be able to use way less drug, and have a smoother high, less comedown, and less body tension.

There's other shit I'd highly recommend. If you want to hear more, just PM me, I'd be glad to help you get what you're looking for, while avoiding the problems you're having with your hard drugs. There's supplements that will most likely, if used right (dose, timing w/food, timing w/stimulants, etc.) fulfill your needs without you needing to fuck yourself up ;) It might take a little work, but in the end it'll be way cheaper than illegal drugs and help you more long term. You can even fit them into your hard drug use if you insist, and use less drugs and have a better high and much less comedown/negative effects.
 
xxxyyy said:
i find MPH to be pretty benign
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Forgot about methylphenidate. That's a happy medium. Try to get dexmethylphenidate, it's way better. Still will have a crash.
 
THC2LSD said:
Forgot about methylphenidate. That's a happy medium. Try to get dexmethylphenidate, it's way better. Still will have a crash.
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Isn't the crash much less? I've heard, never done it. MPH makes my heart rate skyrocket, super talkative, jaw chattering like a motherfucker, and crash from hell for hours on end after a pretty short high. I don't think I'd ever do MPH again. Is dexMPH less tweaky feeeling?
 
tricomb said:
FYI, taking chelated magnesium and maintaining proper diet and hydration with amphetamines drastically reduces negative symptoms.
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True that. Never got a real crash this way, I thought other people were just whining. Untill that one time I did not supplement up when taking around 400mgs amph salt in a night. Bad crash. Was more due to malnutrition I guess, cause a few hours after breakfast I was feeling 1000x better than before. Just eat, force to eat. If your stomach crawls up when even looking at or thinking of food, at least take your vitamins and minerals+magnesium 1 times per 6h.

Peace, and don't tweak out, not every car is police/narcotics unit, or some gangbangers coming to break your limbs.
 
-Eat, drink (not alcohol). tricomb is right about magnesium, it makes a huge difference.

But you're not going to eliminate the crash with supplements and HR practices. You can certainly minimize the crash, but you can't eliminate it...

In regards to methylphenidate, I consider it a crappy cocaine - still got a comedown...
 
tricomb said:
I recommend drinking a tall glass of milk periodically throughout tweaking, esp during comedown.
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Any particular reason? You think it's just the calories and hydration or do you think specific nutrients in milk specifically make a big difference? I usually just drink fruit juice.

highhooked said:
You can get pretty close with a mix of kratom, caffeine and a little bit of liquor!

Edit: a stimulating strain of kratom-maeng da or super green malaysian work nicely.
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I had no idea there were different strains of Kratom (not surpring though). Is it as big of a difference as different strains of bud?
 
I experience a comedown - often bad enough to be called a 'crash' - from methylphenidate and cocaine as well, usually more severe than with dextroamphetamine. This is especially true if you stimulate yourself with cocaine for the duration of an amphetamine dose; coming down from 6+ hours of cocaine is not pleasant.

The things already mentioned here, like proper nutrition, hydration, and magnesium are important. I've often found that a hot shower eases my muscle tension; stimulants, being vasoconstrictors, affect peripheral circulation, and also cause involuntary constriction of certain muscles. Taking a hot shower or bath can ease those aches.

THC2LSD said:
Every upper will give a crash and insomnia, that's the nature of the beast. Supposedly phenmetrazine comes close to what you describe. It could just be selective memory on the part of it's enthusiasts. But you'll sooner find real pharm-grade Quaaludes than phenmetrazine.
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This is what I've heard from "old school" motorheads - powerful, clean central stimulation like dextro- or methamphetamine, with negligible peripheral stimulation and physical side effects. Most people I know have never heard of it, or know one or two older dudes who tell stories. Would be awesome to try some day, to see if it lives up to the hype.
 
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