Opioids new to fentanyl

[olskoolrollrz]

Hello all...just have a couple quick questions if anyone can help
My wife just got a new PM doc..he has prescribed her fentanyl 25 mcg patches..now she really is in pain and is not looking to get high off these she wants releif, however she is used to roxys and way back when had a solid oxy habit.
i guess my question is are they safe? She is a bit nervous not knowing what fentanyl feels like..can anyone describe it?? is it closer tyo a high dose of oxy or closer to a high dose of morphine?? also how long should she wear it and what partof her body should she put it on? She really is in pain and is looking to use these correctly,but all the horror stories and she has anxiety anyway it is scary thanks everyone for your replies


OLskooLROllRZ

 

[rules]

lol...i remember when me and my boy got our hands on two of those patches. the only way i can describe it is from the point of view of someone who really did not need it for pain...it was like 24 hours of pure bliss. it is one of the most potent opiates in existence, that is what you should expect.

 

[Dread calm]

Why didnt you guys ask the Dr all this when she was prescribed them? Use only as directed, these things are NOT to be messed with.

 

[Beachcat]

I agree with Dread above...fentanyl is not to be messed around with....the doctor should have instructed her how long to wear them and where to put them. Also, when switching to an ER med like this, he should have provided her with a small supply of instant release meds in case it takes awhile for analgesia to kick in or the dosage needs tweaking....if the doc did not go over all of this, I would call him back immediately and ask for clarification or ask the pharmacist at the very least....good luck, and I hope her pain gets better!

 

[olskoolrollrz]

I agree with Dread above...fentanyl is not to be messed around with....the doctor should have instructed her how long to wear them and where to put them. Also, when switching to an ER med like this, he should have provided her with a small supply of instant release meds in case it takes awhile for analgesia to kick in or the dosage needs tweaking....if the doc did not go over all of this, I would call him back immediately and ask for clarification or ask the pharmacist at the very least....good luck, and I hope her pain gets better!

yes she is prescribed 15 mg roxis with these patches and he did give her instructions as well,however out of all her past opiate experiences though she has never done fent and is just a bit anxious as to what type of feeling to expect,she is an overly cautious drug user..again she is in constant pain 24 hrs a day and looking for releif only, although im sure a small buzz wouldnt hurt
thanks again

 

[rules]

yes she is prescribed 15 mg roxis with these patches and he did give her instructions as well,however out of all her past opiate experiences though she has never done fent and is just a bit anxious as to what type of feeling to expect,she is an overly cautious drug user..again she is in constant pain 24 hrs a day and looking for releif only, although im sure a small buzz wouldnt hurt
thanks again

as long as she takes the fentanyl as prescribed by her doctor, her pain will surely go away soon after applying the patch. fentanyl patches are extremely efficient in what they do.

 

[Beachcat]

Oh, ok, good.... In that case, I would say to expect a feeling like having consumed a mid range amount of oxy, but slightly more sedated feeling....of course everyone is completely different, she could feel not much or could feel incredibly drugged.

I will warn that it does take time for it to reach it peak...sometimes as much as even a full day in the beginning. Make sure to take enough Roxi to keep on top of the pain, but don't take too much thinking that she is not feeling enough... When the fent finally does kick in, it will definitely kick in...I would not want her to have too many opiated on board at that time....

You have to remember with fent patches that even if you rip it off, you are still coming "up" so to speak....

 

[SM0K3Y]

Fent has much more sedating properties than roxi's do but less euphoria. It's a stronger painkiller for sure, and until she is okay with how they feel and work I'd recommend she doesn't drive on them. Also possibly eating lightly as well since it may cause nausea. Be aware that since it is a stronger opiate the possibility for her to get a physical dependence on it is greater, but since there is less euphoria and if she has been clean, she may be able to keep herself from getting addicted. Be aware that physical dependence and addiction are two different things. I'm glad to hear she got fent though, the doctor actually cares about her pain then I'm sure. She can abuse them, but it's certainly best not to, and it takes more work than a roxi does to do so.

go to google and type in "Roxicet vs fentanyl" -or- "Roxicet vs fentanyl" -or- "Oxycodone vs fentanyl" - the oxycodone is the same thing as roxi's, just follow both of them closely by Mg's (milligrams) and Mcg's (Micrograms) on each forum board and see what everyone says about relating them to each other. There should be a cross reference chart somewhere on her as well, I believe it is a sticky, someone should be able to help you out with it, unfortunately I don't have the time to look. If you can search for "Opiate cross reference chart" it will tell you how many MG's of oxycodone (Roxicet) are equal to that 25 Mcg's of fentanyl. This way you guys will have an idea of the strength.


Sorry I couldn't helpe more. Good Luck and keep us updated.

 

[Silenced]

When I started using fentanyl from just morphine, after a little over a day from putting the first patch on, I woke up and felt pain relief but there wasn't much other than that. I didn't feel a high, strong sedation or even much more than just pain relief. However, I did accidentally sit in front of a space heater, well, I was sitting in front of it but did not think about the patch and bam! pretty hardcore sedation and weird opiate 'high'... So, from my experience, unless abused in anyway, I never felt much more from it.

 

[Tommyboy]

It's hard to describe it since everybody is different. I saw rules mention he found it to be pure bliss, whereas I find it to be one of the least euphoric opioids. It seems that most people either really like it, or don't care for it. It is extremely potent, so be careful with it. It's potency is one reason why some people like it, since people with high tolerances are able to get high off of it, but if they don't find it euphoric then they can end up dead chasing the high.

 

[macd610]

if your wife is using it purely for pain relief, great. as long as she was started on the proper dose she should be fine. I however, was started on much too high a dose and I remember laying on top of air conditioning vents, barely able to stay awake and trying to stop the persistent sweating. once we got the dose down to the correct level, it did (and still does) offer great pain relief.
The thing about this drug though, is it definitely will make your tolerance skyrocket. I did not feel substantial euphoria either. it was 1 of those things I found out the hard way. Suddenly, my normal oxycodone dose was not enough.
now anything less than 150 milligrams of oxy a day is not gonna touch my pain.
Pretty much, it DOES have the potential to render most other opiates useless. so my advice is to take it slow, and be careful for sure.
on the bright side of things, I am functioning much better as a whole because of my patches.
after you get used to them there is no euphoria or high... Just terrible sickness if you GOD FORBID, run out early.
bottomline, give this powerful drug the respect it deserves, and use as directed.

 

[Tommyboy]

^ Great post. It's important not to chase euphoria with this drug since it will increase your tolerance even more than the inevitable increase from just taking the therapeutic dose.

 

[olskoolrollrz]

Thanks everyone..your responces have been very helpful

i love bluelight

 

[MarDen]

I was prescribed fentanyl 25 and 50 mcg patches back in 2005 for back pain. It's an awesome pain med that to me compares to nothing else I have ever really had before. It really depends on what you are wanting out of the med. Are you or is she seeking pain relief or wanting to get high? I thought fentanyl controlled my pain really good. To me better then taking a pill ever 4 to 6 hours. When using fentanyl to get high, well now that my friend is another story. Playing with fentanyl is a dangerous hobby and could end up in a quick OD and sudden death. Google fentanyl and death. You'll be surprised. It's my opinion that a 25 mcg patch of fentanyl is more dangerous than taking a 300+MG of Oxy. Remember, that 25 mgc patch is good for 3 days. One last note, get some kind of surgical tape or bandage (I forgot what it's called) to keep the patch secured on her arm. They do have a tendency of coming loose and wanting to fall off. Also, it can take up to 12 hours to get the full pain relief into your system and I noticed that after wearing the patch for 2 days the relief diminished somewhat. If I were ever need to be put back on them I would discuss a lower dosage with my Doctor but replacing them every 2 days with the old patch staying on for 3 so as the pain relief was constant.

 

[Rabbit]

It is one of the best opiates out there for controlling pain IME, but honestly, I hope I am never in a position where I would need to wear a patch to keep pain under control. Other people mentioned it but it bears repeating: Fent will cause your tolerance to everything else to sky-rocket. Meaning if she ever wants to switch pain medications for any reason there aren't many places left to go. This also means her "breakthrough pain" medication will be less effective than before she started using the patch.

I've never personally needed it, but I know a few people who use it to control pain. I have used it before but I was chasing a high, I didn't like it because for me it wasn't euphoric and felt "cold" (no warm blanket feeling). It dose make you nod yes, but it was short lived for me since I was using another ROA that I won't mention.

Anyway here are some "tips":

- Both of my friends apply the patch just under the shoulder on their backs. This seems to be the best place for them, I would not wear it anywhere close to the heart (not on the chest in other words). Obviously it is best to avoid places with a lot of body hair, or better year shave the area where she intends to wear it.

- Both of my friends wear one patch for 3 days before having to change them. This is something you should ask the doctor about though (he should have told her when he wrote the prescription).

- You have to be super careful with these. For example a tiny hole getting poked in the Watson "gel" patches can lead to too much of the medicine getting released. A lot of people have overdosed like this. If she's getting the "matrix" style patches this should be less of an issue but I'm not sure.

Another thing to keep in mind: DO NOT apply heat directly to the patch while wearing it as I've heard this releases the fent faster again leading to OD. I also suggest that she doesn't re-use a patch too often, meaning, don't take it off unless she has to. She should be able to shower with it on so no need to remove it just because it might get wet.

That's all I can think of at the moment, wish I could help you more. If in doubt ask the doctor.

 

[mrflowers00]

it's not like oxy or morphine it's like fent and it won't give a good high but does work quite well for pain relief

 

[macd610]

I was prescribed fentanyl 25 and 50 mcg patches back in 2005 for back pain. It's an awesome pain med that to me compares to nothing else I have ever really had before. It really depends on what you are wanting out of the med. Are you or is she seeking pain relief or wanting to get high? I thought fentanyl controlled my pain really good. To me better then taking a pill ever 4 to 6 hours. When using fentanyl to get high, well now that my friend is another story. Playing with fentanyl is a dangerous hobby and could end up in a quick OD and sudden death. Google fentanyl and death. You'll be surprised. It's my opinion that a 25 mcg patch of fentanyl is more dangerous than taking a 300+MG of Oxy. Remember, that 25 mgc patch is good for 3 days. One last note, get some kind of surgical tape or bandage (I forgot what it's called) to keep the patch secured on her arm. They do have a tendency of coming loose and wanting to fall off. Also, it can take up to 12 hours to get the full pain relief into your system and I noticed that after wearing the patch for 2 days the relief diminished somewhat. If I were ever need to be put back on them I would discuss a lower dosage with my Doctor but replacing them every 2 days with the old patch staying on for 3 so as the pain relief was constant.

The tape referred to here is called "Tegaderm". It's important to know that these are only for use with the matrix type patches. They are to be applied directly over the patch. I called Watson when I was having trouble keeping my gel patches on, and they told me all I could do for reinforcement was to put tape around the outside edges only. I was told never to cover the gel resivoir with anything bc it can effect how much medicine is released into your system

 

[macd610]

Thanks everyone..your responces have been very helpful

i love bluelight

Olskool, I feel the same way...I love bluelight as well
Listen, I've been through all kinds of stuff with fentanyl, and I want you to feel free to PM any time ...
BUT, as you know, great advice is always a few clicks away here. I feel lucky to have a place to come where I find not only compassion and empathy, but people who give a shit enough to tell me like it is ya know?
THANKS GUYS

 

[tricomb]

The tape referred to here is called "Tegaderm". It's important to know that these are only for use with the matrix type patches. They are to be applied directly over the patch. I called Watson when I was having trouble keeping my gel patches on, and they told me all I could do for reinforcement was to put tape around the outside edges only. I was told never to cover the gel resivoir with anything bc it can effect how much medicine is released into your system

This, it's very important not to mess with the gel reservoir at all, most people aren't prescribed them anymore luckily though.

 

[macd610]

This, it's very important not to mess with the gel reservoir at all, most people aren't prescribed them anymore luckily though.

I LOVE my gel patches, and I have found it fairly easy to find them. May be different depending on where we live? I'm in Virginia, and Tri, I know where you're from...
I find this interesting. I'd love to hear from anyone who would like to chime in about this.
where are you from (if comfortable saying ) and what is the availability of gel patches??