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Another noob wanting to try shrooms.

Apathetic_Killer

Apathetic_Killer

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I want to try shrooms REALLY bad but i dont know much about them i have done acid and enjoyed it i took 400 micrograms and had a blast and i was wandering how many shrooms would i have to eat to get the same effect or at least strength as 400 micrograms of oldschool UK lsd and im also conerned about having a bad trip because i know how they get you high by bleeding in a brain area and im worried ill frek out like im having brain pressure build up while tripping any advice?
 
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_misconceptions_about_illegal_drugs

"Mushrooms make your brain bleed

An urban legend circulating the net is that Psilocybin mushrooms make your brain bleed and that is what causes hallucinations.Psilocybinis structurallyverysimilar to serotonin and melatonin both being natural neurotransmitters. Put simply, it pushes serotonin to the side and makes use of its receptors (specifically, the 5-HT2A receptors) until the body's monoamine oxidase enzymes break the psilocin down as

it courses through the blood. [131] This is similar to the wayother psychedelic drugs work."
 
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Yeah 400 mics is an insane dose you probably didn't have that much. Instead of using weight as an indicator of your experience, you may want to put it into qualitative terms and compare that to doses of shrooms. As in you had a very mild experience so you look for a dose of shrooms which has been shown to create a mild experience. The dosage vaults of erowid are an excellent resource for this purpose. It also is usually a good idea to start low, and if you were taking shrooms I would take 2 gs MAX as a starter dose just because you don't know how you may react. Take at least one gram though so you at least get an idea.
 
RR16 said:
Trust me, you have never done 400 mics of LSD. Maybe 100... Perhaps start by reading http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/559054-PD-Beginners-FAQ
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possibly less, i don't think i would enjoy 400mics my first time. I got up to 1500 once, but that was after 40 + trips prior, gradually working up to that dose.

@OP mushrooms are a lot different than LSD, and requires a lot more preparation IMO, as the effects are very unpredictable. I'd suggest doing like 2 grams if it's your first time.
 
Also you need to work out the dose by species not just weight........


SPECIES % PSILOCYBIN % PSILOCIN % BAEOCYSTIN
P. azurenscens 1.78 38 .35
P. bohemica 1.34 .11 .02
P. semilanceata .98 .02 .36
P. baeocystis .85 .59 .10
P. cyanescens .85 .36 .03
P. tampanensis .68 .32 n/a
P. cubensis .63 .60 .025
P. weilii .61 .27 .05
P. hoogshagenii .60 .10 n/a
P. stuntzii .36 .12 .02
P. cyanofibrillosa .21 .04 n/a
P. liniformans .16 n/a n/a

So taking 2 grams of azurenscens is gonna be wildly different than 2 grams of cubensis, and I have no idea what the qualitative effects of Baeocystin are as i have only ever had cubensis.

So in the interests of safety, sanity and health you need to do your research and take your time slowly trying out different doses and leaving at least a week between the experiences to make sure tolerance isn't an issue.

i would start with .5 of a gram and work up in 1/2 gram increments to find what your sweet spot is with dose.

The more respect you show the mushroom the more it will reward you with a good ride.
 
2 hits could be anywhere from 50 to 500+ mics depending on how strong the blotter was. All we can do is speculate about how much was actually on the blotter you took, and also since the vast majority of LSD users have no knowledge of how many micrograms of LSD they're taking at all, comparing the dosage might not be so helpful.

It'd be helpful if you described the strength of experience you're looking for. Even weak, medium, strong would work, but the more specific you can be the better :)

Bear in mind with mushrooms the amount of alkaloids found in them is rather variable so even with the same type of mushrooms you could take 2g say 5 or 6 times and get quite different results each time. So expect some variance, and as such I'd advise starting low and not just jumping in at your usual dose for other psychedelics, particularly if it was only one trip and you're unsure of the dosage.

The most common strain in the US is Psilocybe Cubensis, and 2g should be a good light-medium dose to start. If you're looking for a more intense trip you could try 3-3.5g, but due to the variable nature of mushrooms this could be a little too much if you're unprepared for a strong ride.

Also, we already have a Mushroom Dosage subthread already. I'll merge this one with that one, once you've had a chance to reply :)
 
Dunno if I'd call 400 mics of acid 'insane', but it would definitely be a quite strong trip. I've often wondered how you might compare doses across different drugs. Problem is, of course, the experiences are wildly different between people and even just between trips. Generally you might say 100 mics of LSD is roughly equivalent to 350mg of mescaline, but then, 500mg of mescaline would be more like 250 mics so the scale is hardly linear.

So I can't really say what the equivalent dose of mushrooms would be. 400 micrograms would probably count as one of McKenna's 'heroic' doses, for which he pinned mushrooms at 5g. However, as others have said, this will really depend upon the strain of mushroom, and even the strength of each individual shroom. You really can't guess with this stuff. Either way, under no circumstances would I recommend 5 grams for a first-timer on shrooms. In fact, remembering my own fucking awful first experience on just 2 (with a massive amount of citrus that unwittingly potentiated it, mind you) I would say, start with 1.5g just to be safe. It will be light, but it will definitely be a trip. You're better safe than sorry with shrooms, trust me - build up to it.
 
yeh If I had to choose between a double dose of acid by mistake or a double dose of shrooms by mistake I would choose the acid EVERY TIME !

Not that I don't love shrooms but I reckon I'd rather drop 1000ugs of acid than 10 grams of mushrooms any day.

I did 8 grams once to be a hero (big mistake) and I've decided 4 to 5 grams is my sweet spot with shrooms, With Acid my sweet spot was 20 years ago lol, when I had a young fit body, Now acid leaves me a physical train wreck for days.
 
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webbykevin said:
yeh If I had to ckoose between a double dose of acid by mistake or a double dose of shrooms by mistake I would choose the acid EVERY TIME !

Not that I don't love shrooms but I reckon I'd rather drop 1000ugs of acid than 10 grams of mushrooms any day.
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^^ That. Seriously, don't underestimate what they can do to you.

(Not that 1mg of LSD is anything to be scoffed at either.)
 
400 mics = 7-9 grams of dried shroom i would say
but for any starter i would recommend 3.5 grams (1/8th of an oz) of shrooms for a nice colorful, thoughtful trip

oh and as already stated
they get you high by bleeding in a brain area
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is complete bullshit...haha..if that was the case some of us wouldnt even be here
 
illusion25 said:
400 mics = 7-9 grams of dried shroom i would say
but for any starter i would recommend 3.5 grams (1/8th of an oz) of shrooms for a nice colorful, thoughtful trip

oh and as already stated


is complete bullshit...haha..if that was the case some of us wouldnt even be here
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What? What sort of mushrooms are you taking? IME, 400 mics of acid is more like 4 or 4.5 grams of shrooms at the most, and an 1/8 is not an appropriate dose for a new user. I would recommend 2 or 2.5 grams at the most for someone who's never taken mushrooms before and has a grand total of one trip under his belt.
 
Mushrooms are soooo much better than acid man, get some good caps. Well it's all preference/body chemisty right, but mushrooms feel amazing in my body and I get no hangover from them, while acid fucks up my heart, giving me extreme vasoconstriction which feels fucking horrible and has lasting effects on my body. Despite how euphoric and epic the high is, the vasocontriction is so bad I won't touch it anymore. It nearly killed me once. Plus, I've learned a hell of a lot more from my mushroom trips than my acid trips, which have been primarily recreational. Ever since I started growing mushrooms, I've never looked at life the same way, and it's all for the better.

The quality is quite variable, like all drugs, so it all depends on what kind of stuff you have. I've been flying off a gram, and low off an eighth.
 
I did 1/8th oz for my first psychedelic experience and it was FUCKING INCREDIBLE!!

however by the end I was experiencing some confusion and thought loops that overall just left me a bit overwhelmed. Not too hard to manage though I was in a very comfortable setting :)

The next day I was in total awe of the pure fucking MAGIC of what had happened the night before. Totally bewildered and flabbergasted at the mental voyage I had embarked on the night before.
 
rave_itsrealfun!!! said:
Mushrooms are soooo much better than acid man, get some good caps. Well it's all preference/body chemisty right, but mushrooms feel amazing in my body and I get no hangover from them, while acid fucks up my heart, giving me extreme vasoconstriction which feels fucking horrible and has lasting effects on my body. Despite how euphoric and epic the high is, the vasocontriction is so bad I won't touch it anymore. It nearly killed me once. Plus, I've learned a hell of a lot more from my mushroom trips than my acid trips, which have been primarily recreational. Ever since I started growing mushrooms, I've never looked at life the same way, and it's all for the better.

The quality is quite variable, like all drugs, so it all depends on what kind of stuff you have. I've been flying off a gram, and low off an eighth.
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There's only been one recorded case of LSD ever killing anyone, and he injected 320mg of it straight into his veins. Are you sure what you took all those times was really LSD? It may have just been an intense body experience, compounded on the mental effects of the trip to make you think you were dying. I once had my heartrate skyrocket and I thought it might kill me, and I kept clutching my heart feeling like something was closing in to crush or pierce it, but of course I was fine.

I definitely agree the after-effects are pretty nasty. LSD can knock you sideways for a day or two. Not to mention, for me at least, it's fucking impossible to get to sleep. And the trip doesn't properly finish until I do. Mushrooms are much gentler in that respect, and I have to say I prefer them over LSD too.
 
I find mushrooms a lot easier on the body than acid and an extra 5-10 grams feels fine.
 
When I was first getting into mushrooms, I wanted to start big and blow my mind right out on the first go, but I ended up thinking better of it. I was biased by my introduction to psychedelics via salvia, completely blowing my mind before I had a chance to notice I'd done any drugs. Mushrooms give you time to think...

So I started slow. Still going slow. Still haven't started upping the doses because I'm still working on my mindset and don't have much in the way of settings to choose from. Starting to get an idea as to how it affects my mind particularly after 3 trips, which I had in the space of a few years.

So yeah, I'm no expert traveller, but this low dose trial and error thing is working for me so far. I'm even learning about myself at 1 gram doses. I can't say anything for the higher doses yet though because I'm still too chicken to up the dose quite yet.
 
What sort of mushrooms are you taking?
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the same kind every one else does. But seriously they dont really do anything for me anymore (200plus trips).

an 1/8 is not an appropriate dose for a new user
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i beg to differ. With certain substances you must injest certain amounts to even feel the desired effects. Anything less than 1/8 will not allow the person to have a full psychedelic expierence, esp. considering the fact that this person has already tried lsd before.
I think anything less than 3.5 grams is like owning a lamborgini and only wanting to sit inside and enjoy the interior without actually turning the car on and driving the damn thing...heck thats why they are built not to sit in but to drive.

I think anything over 5 grams for a first time user migt be WAY to much..but an 1/8 will ensure a magical expierence without uneccessary worry about taking too much.
Just my opinion though

good luck my friend
 
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