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DMT for a suicidal person?

Codesan

Codesan

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My girlfriend is feeling extremely suicidal from years of depression and she is taking 60mg of duloxetine and 5mg of escitalopram but it doesnt seem to help.
I have at my access ayahuasca and yopo seeds. I figured that if she is serious about ending her life then maybe trying DMT would not hurt her and she might come back from the trip feeling completely new.
I mean..if death is your option then taking DMT is nothing compared to dying physically right? How long should she refrain from taking her SNRI/SSRI meds before taking harmala plus yopo or complete ayahuasca mixture?
This is still at a theory level so nothing might even happen but I'm thinking that if you are really serious about self harming then what is DMT doing harm? It might change her perspective of the world and life completely and maybe save her life...I do understand that if she is so suicidal then to get serious mental help but she has gotten that and it has not helped at all.

I would like to hear your theories on how this would go.
 
she needs professional help.

this could go so very wrong. If she has a good trip it could convince her that there is 'life after death' and it could make suicide more attractive.

if she has a bad one you are only adding to her torment.

yopo is obviously not as mindblowing as pure dmt, but when talking about suicide the stakes dont get any higher and you dont want to make a decision you later regret.

dont forget to take care of yourself, ive worked in mental health so know how demanding it can be, and thats when i had the luxury of going home and leaving it there....you are dealing with a difficult issue, and sound concerned. She's lucky to have you

have you considered the other kind of trip ?
ie - a holiday, camping, fresh air, change of scenery...see a bit of the world
 
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Suicidal ideation that hasn't responded to professional help/prescribed medication and DMT ... it's impossible to guess what the fallout of that might be as it could plausibly go any number of ways and nothing anyone guesses will change that. All I will say is that if she does use DMT then given the medications she's on there's less risk of a dangerous interaction if she doesn't use an MAOI and just vaporizes an extract of DMT from mimosa hostilis root bark (it'd also be shorter if DMT made things worse).
 
I'm not a doctor but sometimes I think what I would do if I had a good friend in that situation.
Please, do your homework, but I believe 0.15 - 0.20mg/kg bodyweight of 4HOMET could give her the "change of scenery" you desire, without shattering her brain like on DMT.

Just my 2c's.
 
You can give her the option. Tell her why you want her to do it: to give her a new perspective on life in hopes of extending her lifetime. Only she can decide if it will help her. If she thinks it will, it likely will, if she thinks it's a bad idea, DONT! I was on the border about suicide and i did some psychedelics and it forced me to deal with some underlying issues in my psyche, i faced them and i feel alot better now. It will probably make her come to terms with her past and if she's not ready then this is no drug for her.
 
Well we have discussed it and she mentioned that she might want to try LSD or shrooms (which I am thinking about trying to get) but so far the discussion has ended up in her being completely suicidal that I think it might be better if I manage to get her to a hospital and that they would continue from there on. Might be more dark side discussion that how do I get her to hospital and convince the hospital to take her (she might lie about her mental status) but then again I do have the paperwork from her past mental health people that say that she is suicidal. Thanks for all the answers
 
I have logged in to say no, fuck no.

I knew a gal that smoked DMT about 8 months ago and has four felony charges against her; two for possession and two for punching security guards while tripping.

I think it is the ultimate psychedelic but the ultimate psychedelic is not for the suicidal, it is just too unpredictable.
 
I agree with the previous post.

DMT when smoked is a wild flash that is insane and can comprise the wildest of experiences in a huge spectrum, it's unimaginable while sober. If this even was a good idea like in a long-term guided setting, you'd still better have a dilated trip like ayahuasca or the 4-HO-MET mentioned (although I think that is too light!).

But that is in a hypothetical situation you and her are not in, so no. And the meds she is taking make it a no-no. I appreciate the idea of wanting to give this a shit but it is extremely irresponsible and potentially unforgiveable (not in a blame kind of way but.... yknow) to taper medication like that. Such things can tip someone over the brink.

Serious conselling would be needed, maybe adjustments of meds with professional supervision. If she stops being suicide for a significant time but is still fundamentally depressed about stuff, a deep trip could help work on things like that and alleviate repressed issues associated with it.

With people who are on the edge, it is an extremely hard question what the right course of action would be. And I advise all of us here against taking a position of giving a green light. Admission because someone is a threat to themselves is a sad thing and doping someone up doesn't solve anything but instead temporarily takes the possibility to confront the problems away... but I don't believe we have the right to pose a safer alternative, which is also sad.
 
I would explore ketamine before dmt, ketamine is being used for short term treatment of depression and she will be able to take the meds she is on while taking k
 
Alot of the problem has to do with the belief that death is a release. It is easy to believe that since there isn't anyone to die and then report back on it. But there are many people who have had near death experiences. And there are some who tried to commit suicide and had nde's.

This is from the book "Life After Life" by Raymond Moody:

"People who have had near death experiences from attempting suicide have reported that it didn't bring them what they were looking for. As one person said: "If you leave here a tormented soul, you will be a tormented soul over there too." That is, they found that the problems they had attempted suicide to escape were still there when they "died", but were worse. In the death state they were unable to do anything about their problems, and they also had to see the suffering they caused to others from their act.

A man who was depressed about the death of his wife shot himself, "died", and was revived. He said: "I didn't go where (my wife) was, I went to an awful place...I immediately saw the mistake I had made...I thought, "I wish I hadn't done it." Others who went to this unpleasant place said that they had the feeling they would be there for a long time, and that this was the penalty for "breaking the rules". "
 
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A man who was depressed about the death of his wife shot himself, "died", and was revived. He said: "I didn't go where (my wife) was, I went to an awful place...I immediately saw the mistake I had made...I thought, "I wish I hadn't done it." Others who went to this unpleasant place said that they had the feeling they would be there for a long time, and that this was the penalty for "breaking the rules". "
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You have to take a lot of those reports with a big pinch of salt tho - are they christians trying to convince people that the Lord is waiting for them and that suicide is a sin? Are they just lonely people who have realised "If I say I saw God people will pay attention to me".
 
she needs professional help.

this could go so very wrong.
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I have to agree here.

DMT and other interesting hallucinogens can cause dramatically life altering experiences that could be the thing to finally push her over the edge. If you really care about her, try your best to show her somehow.
That's all I ever wanted when I was suicidal, was attention. In one form or another.. or I was just really pissed off and needed to cool down my mood with some good music or a nice mellow bowl of herbs.
Maybe is she smoke a lot of herbs already, the exact opposite would be necessary. A tolerance break and some exercise.
Good luck, mang.
Take her out fishing and to enjoy nature an make her realize all the beauty she would be missing.
Surely her problems are miniscule in comparison to the rest of our amazing planet.

All the suicidal people always say they regretted it.
I've been almost dead too (besides out of body experiences) and it's really fuckin' scary.
You instantly start feeling pretty selfish for the shit you did to get you there.

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I would explore ketamine before dmt, ketamine is being used for short term treatment of depression and she will be able to take the meds she is on while taking k
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even then I would be sure to stick with super small doses. Any of those higher "spiritual hole dose" type things could really freak somebody out who may be suicidal.

Some extremely interesting and curious things happen with these powerful trippy substances.
 
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It can't hurt for me to add to the responses saying no, don't do this.

That isn't to say it couldn't work. The trouble is DMT is so mindblowing it might be the best thing to happen to your friend in years, or the worst. DMT (and other things) has made me accept and be ready for death (not necessarily the best thing by itself), thankfully it also made me want to make the most of my life while I'm living it.
 
I'm going to vote "no" on this one.

Using psychedelics while suicidal can have an unpredictable outcome. Unless you are willing to risk the possibility of a negative outcome, I wouldn't go through with this.

DMT is extremely anxiogenic compared to other psychedelics in my experience, and for this reason, it would be better to choose a different psychedelic.
 
Ive been to some dark places in my life and went into K quite heavily. Before that I tried acid and it was an extremely bad experience because my head was not in a good place.

Dont take ANY psychedelics if you are mentally unstable....EVER. They will rip your mind apart
 
I first took psychedelics when I was at suicidal rock bottom and they ABSOLUTELY SAVED MY LIFE. Nothing could've ever worked as well. There is nothing on earth as good.

YMMV.
 
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