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How we rolled in the 90s when the pills were super strong

blah blah said:
will tell you that every different molly has different "personalities" to it even when the process of creating it is all the same
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That's most likely due to synthesization by-products left over from when they made it... still, it wouldn't explain how ALL the MDMA is completely different from ALL the MDMA back in the day... they would both fluctuate in quality, regardless of the time.


In fact the MDMA is probably just getting better, as the chemists refine their techniques and are able to get purer and purer quality MDMA every time





blah blah said:
Set and setting is a no-go because I still have the same gigs set up exactly like we used to do
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So you've been going to the same events for 10 years lol... you don't think that could have an impact on it too?


It's going to get down to set and setting man, the set is your mindset going into the roll... you know EXACTLY what to expect when you take a pill, you've done it hundreds of times before (which WILL give you a tolerance lmao)... it's not going to be as fun as it was when you started.


I've been rolling for 3 years and I really feel the same way lol... rolls haven't been intense for me ever since I started abusing ecstasy... In fact the last 3 or so rolls have been almost devoid of love lol... but I blamed that on high doses of MDA.
 
i will say that ALL batch's of MDMA feel different. some is more euphoric and some is more energetic. all batch's have there own personality for sure ill agree with that. but i dont see how the old skool M could be sooooo much more magical than new skool M. but yeah i think it kinda depends on how it was synthed is all.
 
i agree with Folley. after so many times you WILL have tolerance lol. i wish we could have some kind of closure on this subject already lol. this is never gonna go away lol. wish we could figure this thing out. if the chimist would just come out and tell us. do we have any chemist in here?
 
Folley said:
So you've been going to the same events for 10 years lol... you don't think that could have an impact on it too?
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Not everyone only rolls at events. Our private roll parties are set up EXACTLY like we used to do in an extremely comfortable, perfect to roll in, house. In fact even better circumstances than 10 years ago. I have yet to meet a person who has said they roll harder at a rave than at home or in a home setting.


Folley said:
It's going to get down to set and setting man, the set is your mindset going into the roll... you know EXACTLY what to expect when you take a pill, you've done it hundreds of times before (which WILL give you a tolerance lmao)... it's not going to be as fun as it was when you started.
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Funny fucker aren't ya. Don't assume shit again, we'll be right back to where we were a few months ago. I haven't rolled hundreds of times, not even 50 times, the bulk of them being mid 2011-'12, nor am I under any delusions of tolerance.

It's simple. 2001-2003: Rolled 6-7 times. All house rolls. Overwhelmingly magical every time. I knew what to expect. All while abusing Meth.

A few years later, off meth for a couple years, knew what to expect, overwhelmingly magical just after a bar. A couple years after that, once golfing and once fishing, knew what to expect, overwhelmingly magical. Then 2 years later in late '09 and every time since, the majority of them being low-key, private house rolls, not the same.

Check the list i gave and how often i rolled on this thread and it shows there was no frequency of use to be considered abuse until mid 2011. Thats 2 years worth of a noticeable change in the MDMA during responsible use. Most all of the pills listed in the same month were taken at the same time as a mix in one night:

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/411240-list-all-the-different-XTC-pills-u-tried

Sorry, but you're not going to be able to explain this one away. If i was the only person on here saying it, then yeah it's probably me. But it's not. That holds weight coming from multiple old-skool rollers.
 
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Dude there just is absolutely nothing you can base this on.


What are the pressers doing that is SO much different from before? Nothing... and how could every presser be doing the same exact thing that makes their MDMA that much less desirable, and if every single chemist somehow did make MDMA in the exact same way (There is no way in hell they do.), why they hell would they just suddenly change their methods circa 2007 to something that would be considered less valuable?



The only possible explanation is set and setting dude. MDMA synthesis can vary WIDELY depending on which chemicals you use to make it, but it will always come out with the same, racemic product. The only thing that changes is the purity%, and that changes from every single batch, so it still doesn't explain how every single batch after a certain time is completely different from all the batches before it.




Methamphetamine abuse would cause a loss of magic for MDMA as well. The two are highly cross tolerant.




I just see no possible explanation, other than older rollers being nostalgic about "the good old days"
 
I think a lot of you are forgetting MDMA is no longer pure. It's almost always cut with something. Each batch, is varied. Not to mention, all the stimulant RC's that are passed off as actual molly. If you don't test your stuff, you have no way of saying all MDMA is different, because how would you know what you are taking is actual mdma, and not an RC?
 
as someone who rolled from 95 to this year i can tell you the pills are the same today as they were back then. just wasnt really any crap in them back then like there is today... plain and simple...
 
You're right there is nothing i can base it on. But I know what i know. Why would there even be this argument of shit not being the same if it were still all the same? The argument wouldn't exist if that were the case. The only difference you say is the amount and potency of MDMA that is put into a press vs. the amount back then, but i've been down the road of the finest MDMA and extremely potent presses out there and goddamnit it is not the same. It just isn't. Not even in the less experienced people now rolling on the highest grade shit do i see the same reactions or same things at the level that i saw back then.

It's not nostalgia, that's ridiculous. You wouldn't have as many people saying shit is different if that were the case. You'd just have to have experienced it then and now to know what we mean.
 
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J.Wallace said:
I think a lot of you are forgetting MDMA is no longer pure. It's almost always cut with something. Each batch, is varied. Not to mention, all the stimulant RC's that are passed off as actual molly. If you don't test your stuff, you have no way of saying all MDMA is different, because how would you know what you are taking is actual mdma, and not an RC?
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I can promise you wallace, i eat nothing less than the real deal. Tested, some edata confirmed presses, and some source confirmed shards, it's real and the best there is.
 
That reporter definitely wants that guy to get balls deep. Look at her body language.
 
Calm down guys..it's only a 90s club video!

I'm UK so I had the first load of Es to come in, presumably from Holland. The E of early 90s was definitely stronger by a long fcking chalk. But so was the crash, not that you would be heavily depressed unless you did them every week - more you were physically drained for a whole week. I have no idea what the situation was like in the States.

Isomers - sounds like something changed. But then the latest pills seem to leave you OK the next day to function. So it's seems less drain on your body, at least that's probably a good thing.
 
Or it could be due to less molly per pill. I don't doubt that pills are weaker today. Dealers probably got smarter and realized that if you give people 80-100 mg per pill, that's enough to fuck them up but still leave them wanting a little more so they take an extra half or even an extra whole pill. Give people 150-200 mg per pill and they'll only want one at a time. Unless they're e-tards who take as many pills as they can get their hands on, in which case you already have their business so it doesn't matter what you give them as long as it's pure.

We're talking about businessmen here. Just because you feel peace and love when you take the drug does not mean the guy feeding his family with pills is thinking the same.
 
NO. i dont believe this anomally has anything to do with amounts guys. it has to do with the way it was synthed back then. i dont personally know what the pills were like back then but something has got to be going on here. i just wish someone that know could answer. the problem is would take a chemist to answer and it looks like they are busy doing other things instead of trolling BL. damn i wish they did lol. im drunk btw lol.
 
actually here is a great example... so yesterday instead of rolling (as i have been doing almost every weekend for the past 2 years) i decided to trip on some really good acid...

honestly i can say that the way tripping felt yesterday was almost identical to the way i used to roll back in the day.. (plus of course the crazy visuals and sound stuff going on...) like i felt like i was full on rolling *hard* complete with the giggles and overwhelming feeling for like 8 hours... now i know that LSD works on slightly different serotonin receptors so its difficult to compare directly with rolling but needless to say if this was an issue of tolerance or serotonin depletion or damage to the serotonin pathway i would in no way feel those effects that hard...

the only other possibility that i can say personally is going on for me is that the amount of MDMA in the pills back then was way way higher than now... and i guess i would just have to take 2 or 3x my normal dosage to find out... maybe at some point ill do it just to figure this out...
 
This topic has been done to death over at EDD.

Somebody put up a useful link there...http://anonym.to/?http://ecstasy.org/testing/index.html

I didn't take pills in the 90's, but I started with a vengeance in 2003. The pills had more energy back then, but I remember one stamp was an exception - the Heineken pills. These just left you mongy and wanting to lay down. However, looking back the opinion was that they were actually very clean MDMA and that many of the others were far from it.

If you follow the link above and the reports on offer regarding UK pills in the 90's you will see plenty contained MDEA and a few had MBDB. Some had caffeine to.

The MDMA crystal and pills that I have had post drought here in the UK have all been as the Heinekens were back then.

To sum up, they feel different now as they are cleaner (from an MDMA perspective) than they generally were back then.

Edit - another useful point - the Heinekens back then were the only pills which gave me brain zaps. Every post drought pill/crystal has given me zaps when gorged on.
 
There are a couple of theories I could lend here.

90s Euro pills were made in Holland, and 1 man was controlling a huge amount of pills. So he could put out a solid good product if he wished, and he did. Doves were everywhere for months.

I believe without a doubt the early 90s pills had lots of MDMA and amphet compared to today. Generally when a new product comes to market, they make it as good as they can to grab the market.

But more primarily, drugs are relatively inflation proof. £15-18 in 1991 is probably the equivalent of around £30-40 today. That's just too much for a pill. So the market sets it's rate at £10 and puts less MDMA in - it's up to you to buy 2-3 pills. Whereas I would do 1/2 a pill 90s, I now do up to 3 pills and still don't get anywhere near the same high.
 
i read something the other day about this. this guys on PR was basically saying he believes it has something to do with using different precursors to synth it. he said back in the 90's they used safrole to synth it. nowa days they use more PMK to synth it. he said it had to do with large amounts of safrole being siezed so the cooks had to come up with a different precursor to synth it. basically he was saying there is a differnce in the MDMA made with safrole compared to being made with PMK. not sure if this theory holds water but it sounded good when i was reading it last night lol.
 
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