Misc Physical GHB addiction?

[ChrisHolland]

(I searched the forums but didnt find a good topic so far, if one links a good one, just close this topic then

What is the average time before most people get physical addiction problems with GHB?
Lets say i have 250 ML GHB and i use like 5-10 ML every day for a month and i quit for a week there are no withdrawal feelings eminent, so how much/long does it take for most people to get addicted?
Searched the internet but it's very hard to find good info on this matter.

I did GHb for 3 times in a year now, every time i did 250-500 ML(70-80 dosages), everytime i did it a whole month almost every day(only in the evenings), then i would quit for a month or 2, but then my cravings for alcohol would return and i don't want to drink anymore since the stuff(alcohol) gave me alot of problems in my personal life.
But somehow using GHB 5-7 days a week for the rest of my life doesn't seem very smart (LOL).

Most sites just say "it's bad" or "worse withdrawal compared to heroin" etc. but didnt find any good (medical) article on the subject so far.
I used alot of diff. substances but the only one which ever gave me addictive and other problems was alcohol. when i use GHB there are no cravings for alcohol and while i enjoy GHB i'm affraid of what can happen if i would use this more often, so far it only did good things for me.
Just want to be safe.

 

[Tryptamino]

I heard that the withdrawals are similar to alcohol or benzos, but i've never used it, nor been addicted to it, so i can't say for sure.

If you can abstain from GHB as much as possible while also steering clear of alcohol, you would be saving yourself another addiction. If i were you, i would start tapering from alcohol and GHB ASAP, but ask somebody else on here about specifics on how to safely do that, as i have no experience with CNS depressant addiction besides having had mild alcohol withdrawals.

You can also get a prescription for GHB tohelp stop drinking, depending on where you live, so you could switch to GHB, and then taper from that.

 

[Tony Williams]

ML means nothing theres grams suspended in it. Usually 1g to 1ml but unless you made you dunno. Is it GHB or GBL? GBL is more known for 247 adductuin.

pregabalin, diazapam help but once off - stay off.

 

[Titus]

I got addicted to GHB fairly quickly (would say within a couple weeks of regular daily use). The 'withdrawls' sucked in the sense that I couldn't sleep without it. It sucked getting off it, don't remember physical symptoms but lying in bed all night not being able to sleep, when I could get a fair nights sleep prior to regular GHB really, really sucked.

I used it more of a sleep aid than 'recreational'. If I stuck with recreational, like a couple of times a week without much 're-dosing' to enhance sex it would have been pretty good. I have an addictive personaliaty and also love my sleep. So if I have a substance on hand that is a downer, I am going to use it. I don't abuse benzo's but need them for anxiety to function in life. I'm fine being dependent on them because the alternative is much worse for me.
With GHB I liked the effects and the sleep was great on it, but it is short acting so when I started using it as a sleep aid I would need to re-dose several times in a night to keep sleeping. Once I got to that stage I was hooked in the sense that stopping it was like someone was sticking IV coke or meth or something in my veins preventing me from sleeping. Not sleeping night after night when everyone needs rem sleep to function, and I love sleep in and of itself on top of that, and also have sleep disorders which makes quality sleep harder, drove me to use it all the time once I discovered how effective it was. Problem is it's so short acting. I'm better off taking a klonopin and sometimes an ambien if I know I really need a good night sleep and don't want to risk waking and not being able to get back to sleep.

Don't know if your the type that can use GHB recreationally. I hear some young folks use it while clubbing, mixing it with water, to get the high but probably are only doing it a couple times a week. I was a daily user from jump. It was also fairly expensive which added to the problem.

Hope that helps.

 

[xxxyyy]

i've been through alcohol and benzos and GHB compares far better to the latter than the former.
it took me about three liter of undiluted GBL to get physically addicted to it. when i was though it was pure, pure, pure (did i stress how pure) hell. i'd much rather go through the worst heroin WDs than go through GHB WDs again. my god was that ever aweful.

 

[ChrisHolland]

i would start tapering from alcohol and GHB ASAP

I didn't use GHB for over a month (quitting after finishing half a liter consumed nearly daily(5-15 ML a day which resembles 2-3 grams) for a month without any problems)
Also i didn't drink for over a year but went on a holiday to Turkey and had 2 nights where i did alcohol again, 1 evening i was almost to the point where i was drunk and i really, really don't want to use alcohol anymore.

Also, it's GHB and not GBL had it tested by a government test center(yes i live in Holland, lucky me!)
Ooh and i never used benzo's, those are very hard to come by here and i don't really find them interesting anyway.

 

[ChrisHolland]

i've been through alcohol and benzos and GHB compares far better to the latter than the former.
it took me about three liter of undiluted GBL to get physically addicted to it..

How much did you take each day?
Did u take it to get back to sleep when you woke up in the middle of the night?
Did you use other substances?
What where the physical wd issues?

I'm curious!

 

[Tryptamino]

I didn't use GHB for over a month (quitting after finishing half a liter consumed nearly daily(5-15 ML a day which resembles 2-3 grams) for a month without any problems)
Also i didn't drink for over a year but went on a holiday to Turkey and had 2 nights where i did alcohol again, 1 evening i was almost to the point where i was drunk and i really, really don't want to use alcohol anymore.

Also, it's GHB and not GBL had it tested by a government test center(yes i live in Holland, lucky me!)
Ooh and i never used benzo's, those are very hard to come by here and i don't really find them interesting anyway.

So what's the problem? I thought you were trying to quit alcohol via GHB, but if you're not dependent on either substance, then I recommend that you simply refrain from using them as much as possible, it's really great that you quit alcohol, but just because GHB stops your cravings doesnt mean that it will be any better if you just switched your alcohol addiction with a GHB addiction. An addiction is an addiction, no matter what substance it is, its not good. Besides, you quit for a year! Don't get caught up in GHB just cause you had a little slip on vacation, try to stay free from alcohol as much as possible.

 

[lurching]

hoi chris, there's plenty of topics and info about this.

as long as it's not used 24/7, then most people get away with nightly doses for at least a month before any serious physical WDs. ofcourse, mental dependency is a big danger.

i've used it 24/7 (dosing every 2 hours on average). started to get physical WDs after a week or two/three. sweating, shaking, strong restlessness and extremely anxious/nervous thought-patterns. not interested in sex at all. time creeping by, while feeling absolutely horrible and wrong. this only got worse the longer i sustained the 24/7-use.

so, as long as you don't start dosing in the morning and during the day, you'll be able to keep the daily use up for a while. but of course this is not recommended, as it'll disrupt your sleep patterns ("biological clock") and tends to escalate into more regular use.

 

[Titus]

i've been through alcohol and benzos and GHB compares far better to the latter than the former.
it took me about three liter of undiluted GBL to get physically addicted to it. when i was though it was pure, pure, pure (did i stress how pure) hell. i'd much rather go through the worst heroin WDs than go through GHB WDs again. my god was that ever aweful.

Curious to know, did you have problems besides the inability to sleep... and wanting it in general I guess I had too? (that was hell enough for me).

 

[ChrisHolland]

So what's the problem? I thought you were trying to quit alcohol via GHB, but if you're not dependent on either substance, then I recommend that you simply refrain from using them as much as possible, .

Heya,

well to be honest i'm not hooked on any substance for the moment but i don't want to live my life completely sober(being sober all the time has a negative impact on my life), alcohol gives me too much troubles, and GHB is a very good replacement for it.
Since i used 500 ML (=500 grams) in a month for 3 times without problems got me thinking that maybe the horror stories are somewhat exaggerated as long as i don't overdo it(no more then 5-10 grams a day) and with at least 2 days in a week without the stuff.
Also, i would throw in some chelated magnesium, alpha liponic acid and cranberry juice to combat the potassium problems etc.

 

[theghostofbillhicks]

I used gbl every night for two years, with some days off. In september I noticed I looked much older, my face was puffer and my eyes sunken and grey. I felt terrible, woke up exhausted yet alert and was having hearing problems and teeth grinding. Very depressed. Typical benzo style withdrawals. I crossed over to phenazepam (by the way I don't recommend this) and am doing a slow taper over a period of months to avoid protracted withdrawal symptoms (google it). It's been the hardest and most upsetting journey of my life but I'm determined to get off. I have a month or so left on my taper plan and then I'm free.

Never ever again. I've done many drugs but nothing has been so insidious and soul destroying as gbl. You don't notice it creeping on and removing whole chunks of what makes you good until its gone.

I urge you to flush it down the toilet or it will call to you and you'll end up doing it, despite yourself.

Good luck sailor.

 

[treezy z]

i got addicted to gbl between two weeks to a month, i didn't get to DT level but had shakes and anxiety.

 

[xxxyyy]

i too adopted a 24/7 dosing schedule, starting off with something like 20-30ml a day GBL and gradually dosing it up until i was maybe at 50ml. and believe me, the horror stories are far from exaggerated, at least if you use as much as i did. i would not recommend any drug harder than pot for daily use.
as far as withdrawal symptoms were concerned they were horrendous. anxiety off the charts, heart palpitations (managable with beta blockers), completele, severe anhedonia, insomnia, complete loss of appetite etc. etc. for about a week, only reaching managable levels once i had some benzos (used clorazepate and alprazolam), antihistamines (promethazine for insomnia), baclofen (started at 250mg a day and then gradually dosed down) and pregabalin at my disposal. especially baclofen is incredibly useful for GHB WDs. it's the only thing that will lessen the physical withdrawal symptoms. i detoxed myself twice from GBL, once going cold turkey off it with the aforementioned medications (i imagine clonidine could also be useful) and the second time by starting with a 20ml dose a day and then removing a milliliter a day (sometimes only 0.5ml) until i found i needed it no longer. that time i used nothing harder than pot and alcohol in combination with a gradual taper and found the WDs to be much more managable.

 

[ChrisHolland]

So if i read all the posts correct, then (generally) one starts to develop physical wd after 3-4 weeks.
So if i would use moderate amounts(5-15 grams a day) with 2-3 days in a week without use, i could do this for(lets say) a good month.
Then my 500 ml would be empty and i wait 2-3 weeks and then get my next 500 ml. Guess that would be "responsible"?

 

[theghostofbillhicks]

That would be responsible. The problem that you simply won't see coming is how insidious it is; it will creep up n you despite your best intentions. I've tried every drug. All have stayed under control. Until gbl-it's not the same and over a period of weeks, months, years, it creeps into being more often. I've seen (and read) a similar tale with many, and for what- a fairly flimsy, dissy high.

There. Are. Better. Drugs.

That's all, do as ye will, obv.

Love ya.

 

[xxxyyy]

well GBL beats alcohol any day. but when you're just dosing not to get WDs you know something's fucked. the thing is i'd get pretty severe akathisia when i took too much, and sweated like a pig. baclofen is the most effective drug for GHB withdrawals and if you want to minimize them try to get it prescribed, it's really effective in conjunction with pregabalin.

 

[theghostofbillhicks]

That it beats alcohol is like saying licking a toilet is better than licking an actual shit.

But yeah, I'm not judging, just sharing my feelings after spending many nights in its arms. And then suddenly finding its hands had wrapped themselves around my throat.

I genuinely hope you have better luck.

 

[ChrisHolland]

I'll stick with my 3 day a week no GHB rule and the other 4 days max 10-15 ml's i'll see where it ends then.
Thanks for all input so far!

 

[xxxyyy]

i think that as long as you don't take more, all you'll experience is a mild anxiety rebound and maybe a bit of insomnia. GHB is no joke and the withdrawal from it is way worse than any alcohol WDs i ever experienced, and those could be a real bitch.