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Opioid maintenance - for or against?

I don't believe that maintenance is in the addicts best interest. If someone is having problems with their drug use then is it not better that they get off than be tied to their addiction forever? You never hear a person with kidney disease saying that their life is satisfactory as long as they are attached to their dialysis machine for the rest of their life. I'm not saying that it isn't a good first step, but I believe it should be just the start of a plan to eventually end their addiction.

Maintenance is prolonging the drugs grip on an addict. Look around at the methadone patients here on bluelight and you see that after a year or two, the majority realise that the honeymoon period is over and they are still addicted to a drug. Like it or not at some stage you have to do the hard yards and go through withdrawal. Many would argue that WD from methadone is far more difficult than heroin itself. There is a price to pay for enjoying the highs, it catches up eventually.

The only benefit is they are no longer a slave to searching for their poison but their life is still shackled to their addiction. Your life is essentially a prison around your supply. How easy is it to take your kids away for a holiday without having the worry of when you will receive your next dose? You are kidding yourself if you think maintenance some how sets you free. If you prefer your life to be restricted to your local suburb then fine, but you will always be a slave.

This analogy would be valid if opiates were directly toxic, but the reality is that the damage opiates do to an addict's life are secondary, in terms of money spent, acts committed to obtain that money, broken relationships, etc. While obviously the ideal situation is that the addict would get totally clean and quit drugs entirely, that's never going to happen in a lot of cases, and in those cases maintenance is a good middle path, to free them up from living the active 'addict' lifestyle while allowing them to make the necessary changes to fix their life so they can reach the stage where they no longer feel the need to be on opiates all the time to function.

It also makes the transition a lot easier for the addict, going cold turkey and dealing with withdrawals, then post-acute withdrawal syndrome, all while trying to totally change your life around, would be really fucking hard, and maintenance allows the addict to deal with changing their life, then to slowly come off the drug when they feel safe to do so.

One point I do want to make which I feel is an absolutely valid criticism of the maintenance system is the tendency to park patients on maintenance and simply leave them there, as if methadone or buprenorphine were in themselves direct cures for addiction, which of course is not the case. What needs to happen is that the patient needs to undergo further, ongoing treatment to look at the underlying cause of their addiction and help them address it and turn their life around, but it seems that this rarely happens. If it doesn't, they usually end up eventually getting high on top of their maintenance, or swapping over to getting high on a different drug, and just stay on maintenance year after year without being given a chance to take advantage of the opportunity maintenance has given them.

I'm not saying long term maintenance is necessarily a bad thing, nobody turns their life around in a day, and some people in the end will always need that little bit of chemical stimulation to make their way through life, and there's nothing wrong with that. But just parking people on a daily dose and then leaving them to keep on living the way they were before, without taking any effort to figure out why they ended up needing it in the first place, is a copout and sells both society and the addict short.

Nobody just wakes up deciding to become an addict, almost all addicts are trying to self medicate some physical or psychological problem, but not taking the time to find and address that problem means they're not much better off than they were before. Sadly this doesn't happen very often, I think both because of a lack of funding in public healthcare programs and a distinct lack of understanding about the way addiction works among those who make the decisions. There's this attitude where people seem to feel that simply throwing an addict on methadone will fix them, but it doesn't work that way because addiction isn't a conventional illness. Maintenance serves a purpose in providing stability for the addict while they try and sort themselves out and improve their life, but it is not in itself a cure and shouldn't be treated like one. A means to an end, not the end in itself.

So yeah in short, I think maintenance is a good first step to take if an addict wants to try get their life under control, but it is not in itself a cure and shouldn't be treated that way, and more should be done to help patients address the underlying cause of their addiction so they can, when they feel ready, come off the drugs totally.
 
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I found a really interesting study comparing the effectiveness of different methods of opiate dependence treatment, figured it would be interesting to some of you guys:

http://www.health.gov.au/internet/drugstrategy/publishing.nsf/Content/8BA50209EE22B9C6CA2575B40013539D/$File/mono52.pdf
 
I found a really interesting study comparing the effectiveness of different methods of opiate dependence treatment, figured it would be interesting to some of you guys:

http://www.health.gov.au/internet/drugstrategy/publishing.nsf/Content/8BA50209EE22B9C6CA2575B40013539D/$File/mono52.pdf

Link doesn't seem to work bro?
 
In my experience i could NOT have gotten clean without suboxone, but i dont think its ok to just replace one substance for another..all those "addict" behaviors: i.e. snorting(if they are pills) the preoccupation, the overuse and abuse..can still be very present and active(not in every case ). those behavior patterns and reward pathways can still be working the same way. After i stopped subs all those little comforting rituals and habits that go along with addiction were gone it was really hard to just not take anything..i think subs are a wonderful tool, but not a long term solution, in order to recover from drug addiciton you need to let your brain heal from the way it has been re-wired, i think its lots of cases long term opiate maintenance is a bad idea
 
I'm on bupe from someone else who's on a program.

Without the bupe i wouldn't be able to work and without work i'd lose my family, house and much much more. I'd prefer to be on heroin I could buy for an equivalent price that i can buy a gram of codeine for but i doubt that's going to happen anytime soon.

I don't see anything wrong with taking drugs. We all take drugs, food, stamp collecting, impulse buying, grog, smoking or whatever. This concept that we have to live drug free is one that is destroying our world. as long as i discharge my responsibilities to my family and society i should be able to legal consume whatever the fuck i want.

really dig crankit's post on page 1 though.
 
^ I agree chugs, essentially it boils down to we should be able to use plants that mother nature has given the world.

I think it's outrageous that governments can "ban" plants. Who do they think they are? It's ridiculous that the majority of people, through propaganda, believe it's in their best interests if the government protects us from these evil, nasty, natural plants, and their derivatives.

I'd love to be able to make changes to this world, but I lack the power, suffer from debilitating anxiety due to what my psychologist calls post traumatic stress, and I am not charismatic or a leader. I do wish for a world with drug laws that are based on science, all organised religeons if they're allowed to exist, should exist as corporations with no exemptions from tax, and people could think for themselves and not believe what their government tells them JUST BECAUSE they tell it to them, over and over and over and over. Yes, we can. Yes, we can.

What were we talking about again? Oh, yeah I agree that opiate maintenance, in the majority of cases, shouldn't be a "for life" thing. There are exceptions to every rule and I have no doubt that some people need longer periods of opiod maintenance than others, some again may need it for life.
 
^ I've been toying with the idea that a true moment for change comes from those who hand on heart admit to the world they take drugs and can discharge their responsibilities whilst remaining productive.

Look at the LGBT movement. They were outlaws, with a homophobic nation gunning for them. From their perspective it seemed unlikely that the laws would be changed. I guess the kicker was though; sure they could get by living in the closet but perhaps living in the closet was worse then the consequences of coming out. They could lose their job and much more but perhaps was not as bad as living a lie.

As far as I'm concerned legalislation of drugs must be bought forward by the users in a mass movement akin to the LGBT movements in the 70/80s. I dare say we take to the streets, with "small quantities" of drugs and march to the drug injection centre (if you read the law going to the drug injection centre with small drugs is one of the only exemption from prosecution under NSW drug laws).

Anyway the bigger question is for those of us in the closet. If your boss, father-in-law, DOCS, parents, brothers/sisters, see you walking down the street will you be willing to face the consequences just in order to secure your freedom to get high?
 
I agree, people need to step up for what's right. I think it's starting to get there, slowly, people are sick of having their basic rights as a human being infringed, but there's 100 years of stigma and propaganda to wade through. If you just compare the amount of serious discussion happening around the issue today though, compared to 2 or 3 years ago, it's astounding. There's definitely progress being made in terms of general awareness.
 
i'm a lifer! as an addict and pm patient i'm obviously for the maintenance programs, however, the system has cracks. my biggest complaint about getting on a bupe/methadone program are the waiting periods. more local GP's need to continue jumping on the bandwagon of taking patients onbpard to help take the load off the public system, especially in the regional queensland and not just metropolitan areas.

i've always ended up getting back on a GP script before the 6 month waiting period and then induction into the programs i've applied for.

sadly, i'm one who can't function without me dose.
 
Yeah the delays are unacceptable and it's kind of shitty that more doctors aren't wiling to step up and help by prescribing. I'm lucky I have a wonderful doctor who was happy to manage my suboxone despite addiction and pain management being well outside her field of expertise, but most people are left hanging out to dry and it's really inhumane and backward.

Hell, the maintenance clinics in Adelaide weren't taking 'any' patients, they didn't even have a waiting list, for like a year. Disgusting. Somebody who's finally decided to take steps towards managing their opiate use doesn't want to make an appointment then wait for months, that's just going to keep their lifestyle going and demotivate them.
 
if the prescribers license was a necessity for all GP's to acquire then it would take a shit load of stress off everyone.

the junkies getting his free hit without having to rob 12 people a day, the doctors bills are paid and the tax payers money can be better spent rather than continually hounding the junkies and catch their career prize instead.
 
I had to drive 8 hour round trip each week when I first got on Methadone, that was the closest prescribing doctor we could find, plus I was in immediate need of treatment and I had to wait a fortnight before I could get an appointment. I ended up fessing up to my father how much of a hole I'd dug myself and amazingly if it wasn't for him, I wouldn't have lasted the 2 weeks. If it wasn't for Direct Line I don't think I'd still be here. Getting on a program needs to be easier, especially for people who don't live in major cities.
 
if the prescribers license was a necessity for all GP's to acquire then it would take a shit load of stress off everyone.

the junkies getting his free hit without having to rob 12 people a day, the doctors bills are paid and the tax payers money can be better spent rather than continually hounding the junkies and catch their career prize instead.

I don't know what planet you live on mate, but I'm not getting anything for free, and certainly not a "hit".
 
8 hours is on the extreme end of remote, yeah.

in that situation you've got to decide whether it's worth that 8 hour drive a week for your medication. if you had a terminal condition it would be.
 
I don't know what planet you live on mate, but I'm not getting anything for free, and certainly not a "hit".

Exactly, there's this absurd perception somehow that addicts are getting off their face on government funded drugs, but it's not true. At best you get a slight mood boost and some pain relief.
 
8 hours is on the extreme end of remote, yeah.

in that situation you've got to decide whether it's worth that 8 hour drive a week for your medication. if you had a terminal condition it would be.

I had no other choice. The doctor wouldn't write me scripts for longer than a week, plus he required urine tests every fortnight. He told me these were governments regulations and not up to him. No take away doses at all for 3 months oaf negative drug tests, that's the law. I spoke to my dosing pharmacist about this, because I guess he was sick of seeing me every day, and I was not the obvious stereotypical junky.

This is one of the things I hte about doctors the most, the fact they lie to your face (I can't believe that it's pure ignorance, but I suppose it could be) and think you're completely unaware of anything at all related to the treatments that they are trying to push on you, even after you have explained to them you've researched the drugs, side effects, spoken to friends who've used these prescribed medications etc. The doctor will never, ever listen to you, even if you prove them wrong with paperwork, studies, journals, it doesn't matter. Their opinion, which can often be wrong, is always right in their mind. They also act like outright cunts when you try to suggest they may be mistaken about something. Busty sounds like one of those doctors to me. "Oh, if I prescribe you 1 x 5mg endone for your broken neck, post-surgery for your lacerated liver, the bruised lung which had you in intensive care unable to breath for 4 days while intensely painful hot air was forced through you, and then when you wouldn't cough voluntarily because it was so painful, we gave you pills to cough so much that night you got zero sleep and had to lay in your own gromit/vomit and spit with no suction available because they must have told all the nurses to leave him alone because it needed to be done, then I'll go to jail. It's the law buddy, sorry, I can't help you with pain relief. Why don't you try panadol? Think about those poor cancer patients who never abused opiates, you'd be fine if you didn't, it's your fault. Think about the starving kids in Africa and those people who haven't had an addiction to opiates before, rather just smuggle drugs across borders to pay for out medical career. We're so much better than you, why can't you just suffer you mild flu symptoms you may experience like a man?"

I've since found a doctor in my town who's much, much better. He's not handing me out oxy, fentanyl or morphine (which I would love, but never expect with the current way things are) However he understands the fact that I want to get off methadone as quickly as my body and mind can cope with. He's both encouraging me but also warning me about the obvious risks of relapse. He is one of the very few doctors I've found who 1) Listens, doesn't rush you out the door and really listens, remembers what your individual circumstances are and takes time to ask questions related to your personal treatment and 2) knows what it's like to live in the world of addiction and post-addiction (not first hand, but he understands through what his patients have told him). He doesn't expect too much of me, he is also the only doctor I've ever felt comfortable being totally honest about my use, my struggles, my mental position etc. with him because we have an understanding with each other that I know he is trying to help me and I am seeing him purely for his help. Lying about my use or thoughts is not going to help at all, so a doctor (after many, many bad experiences telling the truth to doctors) who I can talk to honestly is amazing.

When you're in that lowest point in your life and your 2 options are end all the suffering and ruin the life of your family, or make the extremely difficult change that you're trying your hardest to make, spending $100 (which you don't have) a week in petrol to see a doctor for 5 minutes, get piss tested and then rushed out the door so he can get his next customer in in order to maximise profit and minimise patient treatment, it seems like it could be done so much better. It should be noted that I was not the typical junky, didn't look a thing like those in the clinic I was first referred. Dressed in a collared shirt, clean jeans and a short, neat hairtcut, freshly shaven and anxious (as always) I just didn't fit, but the doctor treated me like the worst of the worst, no understanding or compassion about my own personal circumstances.

When I was at the peak of my using, nobody knew because I was as functional and successful as I always had been, except for the fact the business was slowly losing it's money - that happens to lots of businesses - the GFC helped, but heroin was the nail in the coffin . It's true the financial crisis and the USD/AUD exchange rate really killed my business, and people who knew me knew that. But what they didn't know was that I was sticking a needle in my arm 4 or 5 times a day just to try and cope.

When I knew I needed help, it was not as easy as it should have been. That is my point.
 
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