Heroin Oh my god it burns

[Intrinsic man]

I was wondering if it's the diphenhydramine in the black tar that makes it burn so much or if it's the tar itself.

Thanks.

Edit: My ROA is insufflation

 

[Ksa]

Prolly both. No pain no gain.

 

[Intrinsic man]

It's nearly unbearable... it burns so, so fucking bad. My eyes water up and I even get a little light headed lol. I think I already know the answer to this question but does anyone know away to take the edge off this razorblade heroin?

 

[ErikTheRed]

Not to patronize you, but are you sure that you're hitting the vein for the entire shot? It usually shouldn't burn so badly unless some is missing the vein or your hitting an artery.

I would try diluting your shot more if none of the above applies.

 

[Intrinsic man]

Oh I guess I wasn't clear about my ROA; I'm insufflating it.

 

[Znegative]

Not to patronize you, but are you sure that you're hitting the vein for the entire shot? It usually shouldn't burn so badly unless some is missing the vein or your hitting an artery.

I would try diluting your shot more if none of the above applies.

I don't know, I don't have much experience with tar, but I know it did burn more than east coast powder for sure. If I were to do it again I would micron filter it, that would probably work well for insufflation as well.

 

[Ksa]

I don't know, I don't have much experience with tar, but I know it did burn more than east coast powder for sure. If I were to do it again I would micron filter it, that would probably work well for insufflation as well.

It's probably 3-methylfentanyl cut with Mexican spices LOL

 

[Znegative]

^na, it was just average heroin. Felt no different than east coast powder, possibly less of a rush, though I havnt gotten a good rush off of heroin for a while.

 

[Intrinsic man]

I don't know, I don't have much experience with tar, but I know it did burn more than east coast powder for sure. If I were to do it again I would micron filter it, that would probably work well for insufflation as well.

What exactly is a micron filter? Where do you obtain these? Will it filter out the diphenhydramine? I never IV anything so I would be using it for insufflation, if it's effective that is.

 

[tricomb]

See the megathread.

Standard 0.2um Micron Filters, will catch all particles larger than 0.2um, including most adulterants, usually only allowing through the aqueous solution, usually water or saline, and the active ingredient heroin, along with trace amounts of other particles, all particles that are smaller than 0.2um, but leaving overall a substantially safer solution for parenteral administration.

 

[Intrinsic man]

See the megathread.

Standard 0.2um Micron Filters, will catch all particles larger than 0.2um, including most adulterants, usually only allowing through the aqueous solution, usually water or saline, and the active ingredient heroin, along with trace amounts of other particles, all particles that are smaller than 0.2um, but leaving overall a substantially safer solution for parenteral administration.

I think I remember a thread where you discussed using a Micron Filter for insufflation use. Could you reiterate how one would insufflate a liquid solution without it ending up in their stomach?

 

[HdoubleODeezy]

You could let the liquid dry and then snort the remaining powder.. or you could use a cut straw and snort it wet out of say a spoon or something and just make sure you suck hard enough to get it up into your sinuses before it drips down your throat after a few minutes. I would do the first option although i take parts of suboxone strips with the latter method.

 

[Crankinit]

See the megathread.

Standard 0.2um Micron Filters, will catch all particles larger than 0.2um, including most adulterants, usually only allowing through the aqueous solution, usually water or saline, and the active ingredient heroin, along with trace amounts of other particles, all particles that are smaller than 0.2um, but leaving overall a substantially safer solution for parenteral administration.

A micron filter won't remove diphenhydramine.

 

[tricomb]

DPH is highly soluble in water, up to a gram per mL IIRC.

I know people who inject solutions of their DOC cocktails, (usually heroin and crystal) with antihistamines in the shot.

 

[tricomb]

I think I remember a thread where you discussed using a Micron Filter for insufflation use. Could you reiterate how one would insufflate a liquid solution without it ending up in their stomach?

Hoods method works, but I recommend insufflating liquid solutions over dry powders due to the risks of inhalation of fine powders into the respiratory tract.

I usually do this with methadone, using a small amount of saline, I'll run it through a micron a few times and then insufflate it and get peak effects in ~7 minutes.

It's also done with other solutions/drugs, I'm sorry, which drug were you discussing in that other thread?

It's MOST important to SOFTLY inhale through your nose when snorting, its a rookie move to snort the living daylights out of a powder or solution, the key is to insufflate it as slowly as possible, minimizing any drip. The whole point is to get the drugs into the epithelial membranes of your nose, and no further.

 

[Intrinsic man]

Hoods method works, but I recommend insufflating liquid solutions over dry powders due to the risks of inhalation of fine powders into the respiratory tract.

I usually do this with methadone, using a small amount of saline, I'll run it through a micron a few times and then insufflate it and get peak effects in ~7 minutes.

It's also done with other solutions/drugs, I'm sorry, which drug were you discussing in that other thread?

It's MOST important to SOFTLY inhale through your nose when snorting, its a rookie move to snort the living daylights out of a powder or solution, the key is to insufflate it as slowly as possible, minimizing any drip. The whole point is to get the drugs into the epithelial membranes of your nose, and no further.

When it is in its liquid form, should I tilt my head back and let gravity do all the work or should I lightly snort it? I feel like the latter may be uncomfortable... like accidentally breathing water in through your nose while swimming.

I believe we were talking about pharmaceutical opiates that include acetaminophen. The Micron Filter, if I remember correctly, supposedly removes the acetaminophen as well the binders making it healthier for the inner membranes of the nose and the respiratory tract. I guess they don't actually remove the binders (I'm assuming they're about as water soluble as water) but just the fact of it being in liquid form prevents it from being inhaled or corrosive.

Yeah I'm pretty much a pro in the art of insufflation finesse This stuff today really did a number on my nose, however.

Thanks for the advice.

 

[phatass]

if its tar can't you smoke it?

 

[THC2LSD]

^You can smoke it, but it's more smoked out of necessity then efficiency. Not really designed to be smoked per-say like #2/#3 H, just so impure that the impurities lower the melting point and it's really the only effective non-IV way to take most tar.I wonder how tar stacks up against #2/#3 H?

Powdery tar is called mud and can be snorted. Smoking it works and give a rush, but snorting it seems stronger. I'd say smoked tar is 1/3 as strong as IV and snorted 1/2 as strong as IV. But it burns like a motherfucker snorted. I've heard that east coast powder doesn't really burn. I think it's some impurity that causes the burn, either acetylated sugers from cuts sometimes added during the synthesis to add weight or residual acetic anhydride. It really reeks of vinegar. Smoking or cooking up a shot often makes the room smell like vinegar.

 

['medicine cabinet']

dph is pretty nasty up the sniffer, but it could be the dope itself and the way it was refined, as we know tar is a crude product, skiing a few purification steps so its possible there was moreleft over solvent in the batch? or really it could be any number of things it was cut with and some point. here on the east coast when you get powder, or even rocked up #4 it can burn like crazy, other time its like air going up your nose with a super bitter drip. its either the quality or a cut. maybe try smokinit?

 

[jhon00]

im not 100% sure of this but ive heard tar is very alkaline and if you add a few drops of viniger to raise the ph it should be alot smoother.