4-fa & 4-ho-met, low dose combinantion for DJing!

[PhyllipThylamine]

I'm not often Trip Reporting on here but there has been some discussion (as usual) about combining various simulant & psychedelic compounds so I thought I'd chuck in my penny's worth on the matter.

At the weekend recently SWIM... (haha only joking)... I found myself in a beautiful valley in the South of England at a small gathering of good friends for a rare outdoor party. The site was on a slight rise not far from a small village. A mate who has a small PA & a small marquee lives in the village & a relation of his owns the land. Weather was bright but chilly. Myself & my lady friend arrived in the late afternoon to find the guys setting shit up. We put up a small tent, smoked a couple of fat spliffs & once the system was up & running, I got on the decks & started spinning. I started out with some deep dub, tribal grooves type shit leading into a couple of my own trancers after which I ploughed into a box full of techno & bass heavy, tribal trance. About an hour into my 3.5 hour set I necked a bomb containing 90mg of 4-fa & about a half hour later, another bomb of 3mg of 4-ho-met. Once this had established it's usual sublime effect & I could feel the air beneath my feet the music started to sound fucking good & my mixing started getting better. Stims almost always get me into the groove, with cocaine being a favourite but requiring continued dosing that 4-fa did not. The first 4-ho-met dose barely worked so I soon had another. This stuff comes on FAST! Within 10 minutes colours had brightened considerably & I kept getting wierd shadows & strange, peripheral movement which sometimes drew my attention from the decks! I continued with 4-fa bombs, 60mg & finally 40mg & had one more 3mg 4-ho-met bomb, just to keep me going. A couple other DJ's spun for a few hours but by 3am I was back on for a final hour of full on, pumping nrg.

I dosed very conservatively with the psychdelic because my experiences mixing MDMA with 2-ce was surprisingly intense, so intense I would never have been able to spin & in fact, I had to leave a club & go home coz I was getting the freak on! Knowing that I had to keep focus for the DJing meant I kept the doses down. But the combined affect was greater than either compound would have been on their own.

I felt confident & happy, chatted away to pretty much anyone I came across. However I was unable to sleep in the tent despite taking 3 Etizolam & smoking big, pure weed spliffs. I just layed there, wired, as you do. Luck my gf got a few hours & by 3pm we had packed up & driven the 2 hours back into London. I went to bed about 5:30pm on the Sunday evening, having been awake since Sat morning, obviously. But fuck I slept well, 14 hours! Got into work at the usual time Monday morning & apart from being a little tired I noted only the most minor come-down. Tuesday & Wednesday that week also went by without a hitch so I can recomend this combination. My tolerance for stims is way down after a long break but I still got the usual, expected affect from the fa & the added psychedelia was gorgeous.

Should I find myself partying without DJing, I'd defintely up the 4-ho-met but 200mg of 4-fa is about as much as I want to take.

Take care people & don't overdo it!

Love Ph

 

[Lady Codone]

Nice report! These are two of my personal faves. I combined them a couple times, though in lower doses than you mentioned. 4-HO-MET is a total mindfuck for me...not so sure why people consistently refer to it as "lacking emotional depth".

 

[Redbong]

I find 4-fa brilliant for DJing as well. I also love metocin, though I've never combined the two. I also find it full of mindfuck sometimes, this may be more due to set and setting than the 4-ho-met. My favorite drug while DJing has got to be 6-apb, in smaller doses, maybe 100-125mg. Too much, and I can lose track of what I'm doing. Thanks for the report, and happy spinning.

 

[Survived Abortion]

I love happy reports like this, thank you! This sounds like a great combo; I've never combined a psychedelic with another stimulant (not that I can remember) and it is definitely something I want to do soon. I've read so many good things about candyflipping, and I have to believe that there are some great RC combos too. Your report definitely sells it for me, since I love 4-HO-MET.

Hope you're having a great summer

 

[Thou]

At the weekend recently SWIM... (haha only joking

At the sight of this I started salivating/raging like Pavlovs frothing dogs at the thought of having to go through this and replace swim with 'I.'

Dick.



Thanks for the report btw sounds interesting. You were smart to keep the doses reasonably small.

 

[PhyllipThylamine]

At the sight of this I started salivating/raging like Pavlovs frothing dogs at the thought of having to go through this and replace swim with 'I.'

Dick.



Thanks for the report btw sounds interesting. You were smart to keep the doses reasonably small.

Heehee

Yeah, I didn't want it to go too wobbly, & obviously, one has to be a wee bit wary with the initial go at combinations. I guess with any "new venture" you need a nice clean screen & some thoughtful dosing. I was amongst good friends, & not many of them, so losing it wouldn't have been problematic. I was more concerned with unwanted physical effects, such as lasting stimulation, which of course is exactly what I ended up with. I suspect next time I'll increase the met, taking it sooner too, & lower the fa (or perhaps squeeze the fa doses closer together). I find met on it's own is a wee bit stimulating at the tail-end, but it's not long acting so I'm sure a higher dose wouldn't be too over-stimulating combined with a fuller fa hit.

I love happy reports like this, thank you! This sounds like a great combo; I've never combined a psychedelic with another stimulant (not that I can remember) and it is definitely something I want to do soon. I've read so many good things about candyflipping, and I have to believe that there are some great RC combos too. Your report definitely sells it for me, since I love 4-HO-MET.

Hope you're having a great summer

Thanks not too bad, & you? Less rain'd be nice Haha! I wonder about some of the less obvious RC stim such as mpa, but for partying a little entactogenesis is necessary, & I'm not getting much other than stright stimulation from mpa.

But my gf (& I to a degree, as disociatives aren't entirely my thing) have been messing with a combination of mxe & 2c-d after advice from Shambles to try comnbining Ket & 2c-d for mad audio effects. I can't get Ket but a little left over mxe does indeed go very nicely with 2c-d, very musically friendly, very audio enhancing. So far doses have been 10mg of each up with nose but higher, swallowed doses have been tested & I'll run off another report sometime soon.

Anyways, thanks folk for your kind words & replies Peace
Ph

 

[Thou]

MXE and 2c-p combined extremely well for me.

I do believe any insight I attained were attributed to the MXE alone, as I tried taking 2c-p on its own and it was just boring and not really great at all. Got up to a large dose before making that claim, so I'm fairly certain it doesn't lend well to me.

Lasts FAR too long.

I think MXE and a reasonable dose of 2c-c or 2c-d even has the potential to be a truly transcending combination.

As far as past comarisons the only other experience I have to go on is 2ct-2 at a +2, 2.5 on its own. Introducing quite a bit of ketamine later on was absolutely marvelous and breathtaking. This was far different than the MXE/2c-p breakthrough experience though, as I found that combination much more profound and of course, longer acting. Had to submit to it completely using mindfulness meditation to keep me grounded. It was like being reborn in a very literal sense. Great potential here.

I'd love to try it with a plant hallucinogen, namely mushrooms or dmt. Mescaline would be interesting I think as well. I believe that MXE has the potential to be a wonderful adjunct to traditional psychedelics, assuming the combinations are dosed responsibly and that there would be no dangerous interactions.