Opioids First time codeine user

[vexilion]

Hey guys,

A few days ago I found some codeine phosphate pills that my dr prescribed me a while ago, I wondered if I could do anything fun with them and ended up on this forum. I've been browsing around a bit but I can't quite get an idea of how much I should use for a first timer. I've seen people advise doses between 60 and 150mg, but that kinda feels like 2 completely different doses to me hence why I'd like some personal advice

Some background info, i weigh 119lbs and i'm 5'9". I tend to react quite strongly to weed and I've never done anything else.
If you need to know anything else ask away

 

[i against i]

60 and 150mg isn't wildly different with such a weak opiate. go for 90mg, but be ready to be underwhelmed.

 

[Venrak]

With codeine, there is always the potential of being disappointed at any dosage due to possible enzyme deficiency, but that isn't an argument for large doses.

Around the 100mg mark would be a good starting point.

Keep in mind that codeine inhibits the enzyme that metabolizes it into active opiods, so re-dosing is useless. Wait 24 hours between trials for maximum effects.

 

[hthr007]

Codeine does absolutely nothing for me except make me tired.

 

[blakmike]

300mg is the ceiling dose amount for codeine phosphate, last I checked.... So anything over 300, you're just pissin in the wind......
Stay safe

 

[vexilion]

Thanks for the quick replies guys, think I will try about 100mg tomorrow and see what it does
Not really looking to get into this stuff anyway, so if I feel no results I'll probs just steer right away from it instead of trying higher doses.

 

[adder]

Thanks for the quick replies guys, think I will try about 100mg tomorrow and see what it does
Not really looking to get into this stuff anyway, so if I feel no results I'll probs just steer right away from it instead of trying higher doses.

Long long time ago before I switched to morphine, I used to be hooked on codeine and trust me, an i.m. shot of 800mg codeine phosphate and 600mg codeine phosphate was still hell of a difference in the strength of the feeling. Up to 800mg the histamine release isn't that bad, I've had few rashes, with anything above 800mg it would bother the whole experience. But what an experience it is if 40mg of morphine sulphate i.v.'ed was enough to get me in a much more euphoric state than 800mg codeine phosphate.

 

[BluLait]

For your first time... I'd try 90mg, if that's ok then go straight for 150-180mg. You will love it, like I loved codeine the first time I tried a real dose

just don't use too often because it will lose it's euphoria as you develop tollerance.

 

[blakmike]

Long long time ago before I switched to morphine, I used to be hooked on codeine and trust me, an i.m. shot of 800mg codeine phosphate and 600mg codeine phosphate was still hell of a difference in the strength of the feeling. Up to 800mg the histamine release isn't that bad, I've had few rashes, with anything above 800mg it would bother the whole experience. But what an experience it is if 40mg of morphine sulphate i.v.'ed was enough to get me in a much more euphoric state than 800mg codeine phosphate.

Learn something new everyday.... Thanks....

I love histamine release, but never gone over 60mg morphine IV. People tend to look at you strangely when your face looks like a lobster and you're frantically scratching your head while having a beatific smile on your face the whole time.....

 

[vexilion]

Long long time ago before I switched to morphine, I used to be hooked on codeine and trust me, an i.m. shot of 800mg codeine phosphate and 600mg codeine phosphate was still hell of a difference in the strength of the feeling. Up to 800mg the histamine release isn't that bad, I've had few rashes, with anything above 800mg it would bother the whole experience. But what an experience it is if 40mg of morphine sulphate i.v.'ed was enough to get me in a much more euphoric state than 800mg codeine phosphate.

I can imagine it'll be a lot different, for a first timer i don't think i'm quite up for that though haha.

For your first time... I'd try 90mg, if that's ok then go straight for 150-180mg. You will love it, like I loved codeine the first time I tried a real dose

just don't use too often because it will lose it's euphoria as you develop tollerance.

I'm thinking about only trying it once maybe twice.. I'll go with 90mg instead seeing as 2 people have suggested that so far.

Also, any idea how long it takes for this stuff to kick in? thinking about trying it right now actually.

 

[Xamkou]

Take a few decent anti-histamines 90 minutes prior to dosing or else you'll be scratching yourself silly.

I'd say take 180-210mg (I'll probably get a slap as you have no tolerance and I'm not promoting harm reduction) but it's weakest of popular recreational opiates. I'd also suggest that you lay down for the experience. I was sick the first time I did Codeine (a dose of 240mg) and I redosed about 120-150mg roughly every two hours, was fun! :D

Have fun buddy!

I've found love with Dihydrocodeine though, don't really like Codeine that much anymore.

 

[Swimmingdancer]

I would not suggest 180-210mg for someone who has never even tried codeine before. For one, that's not really necessary, for two, you want to see how your body reacts before taking higher doses. Some people are allergic to codeine, some people are sensitive to it, and some get little to none of the good effects but still get the negative effects. There is no guarantee that "you'll love it", as another poster said above, some people hate it, and some people find it just really doesn't do much. We have different levels of the enzymes that metabolize codeine.

 

[Xamkou]

I forgot to add do an allergy test first.

And I was assuming he's had it before. The way I understand it is, he was prescribed them and used them as instructed until his pain subsided and was unaware at the time that he could have fun with them, am I right OP?

 

[Xamkou]

300mg is the ceiling dose amount for codeine phosphate, last I checked.... So anything over 300, you're just pissin in the wind......
Stay safe

It's around 600mg I've been told. From personal use, I definitely feel more euphoria from 450mg than I do 300mg.

Keep in mind that codeine inhibits the enzyme that metabolizes it into active opiods, so re-dosing is useless. Wait 24 hours between trials for maximum effects.

If it inhibits the enzyme to such an extent then why is it prescribed at 60mg doses, four times a day? Surely it's be completely pointless... 8(

I used to re-dose and it did work, not as good as Dihydrocodeine with re-dosing but it definitely worked.

 

[Swimmingdancer]

If it inhibits the enzyme to such an extent then why is it prescribed at 60mg doses, four times a day? Surely it's be completely pointless... 8(

I thought they meant if you want to get high off it? The analgesia should still work. Only about 5% of codeine is metabolized into morphine by CYP2D6, so the current belief is that codeine-6-glucuronide (C6G) is the primary active compound which causes analgesia.

 

[Xamkou]

Oh right, sounds funky.

Codeine is really strange but to be honest it doesn't have that much recreational value. And as I'm being honest, even with antihistamines, it still makes me itch 5x more than any other opiate. It also gives me more nausea than any other opiate.

I only use it nowadays for genuine pain (at doses of 60-90mg) and when I can't get hold of any Dihydrocodeine or Tramadol for my weekly opiate adventure.

 

[Venrak]

I thought they meant if you want to get high off it? The analgesia should still work. Only about 5% of codeine is metabolized into morphine by CYP2D6, so the current belief is that codeine-6-glucuronide (C6G) is the primary active compound which causes analgesia.

That's my understanding. I may be wrong, I'm enzyme deficient so I can't know first hand and have to rely on what I can deduce, read and hear.

EDIT: I still get the histamine release though

 

[Xamkou]

I think you guys are right actually, I'm reading about it now. That explains why redosing isn't as good as it is with other opiates.

I never developed any sort of tolerance to the itch on codeine, though I have managed to on other opiates. That's an oddity.

 

[vexilion]

I forgot to add do an allergy test first.

And I was assuming he's had it before. The way I understand it is, he was prescribed them and used them as instructed until his pain subsided and was unaware at the time that he could have fun with them, am I right OP?

I was prescribed them to relieve me from an annoying cough I had. Didn't really do much for the cough reducing so I stopped taking them
Randomly found them again and had heard from people that you could have fun with them so I thought why not

I took 100mg around an hour ago, my tongue feels kinda tingly and my legs feel pretty relaxed. Apart from that I don't feel anything really, no nausea or itchiness. So i guess this might be it for this dosage?

 

[Xamkou]

It's odd that they'd prescribe Codeine as a cough suppressant. It's probably one of the least effective opoids when it comes to cough suppressing.

Throw in another 150-200mg if you feel confident enough, it seems you're tolerating it well.