Psychedelic Consciousness and oneness

[somaeye]

It is my belief that Psychedelics (LSD, DMT, Mescaline, Marijuana, etc.) are the essence of consciousness. They are where all consciousness comes from. People who have had strong Psychedelic experiences have experienced the feeling of being "one" with all life. That is because all life has consciousness and consciousness is Psychedelics. All life produces Psychedelics inside their bodies.

Coming from that point of view - of oneness with all creatures - how can a person be into killing another creature - whether it is for food or anything else?

 

[Misfit Chick]

survival

 

[somaeye]

survival

explanation

 

[alteredstate8]

We are all one experiencing reality subjectively through different eyes. But although we are one and the same, the physical vessel through which we experience reality needs to protect itself and ensure its survival.

 

[Asante]

Not everyone is equally connected to the Oneness, and one isnt connected to it with as much commitment throughout the day.

Once during a session I swatted a fly. A friend said: "You monster!", I replied: "His life had gone to completion, I was instrument in his reincarnation. His death was swift and painless. He didn't wither away and grow molds all over his body like the flies of autumn, on this beautiful summer's day, at once, I delivered him into the Light."

So what's more true? We live in a world where we kill an animal to eat his flesh, and where vegans crush millions of wheat embryos, all carrying the Divine Spark of life, between two heavy grinding stones to make flour for bread. A field of wheat is a concentration camp where we breed innocent plants to murder their babies, leaving just enough alive to do it again. Killing and being killed is what we do on a daily basis. In the light of eternal reincarnation and cyclical karma, is that a bad evil thing.. or is it just how it is, the Universe doing its thing and us being taken on the grand eternal ride that is our destiny?

 

[Happy Trails]

There is not a link between survival and killing other beings for sustenance. If that were the case, I would have been dead 12+ years ago.

The first time I took psychedelics it validated my choice to be a vegetarian. I saw how it was a "more novel" way to live. Additionally, not eating meat allows you to harmonize with Universe at a much deeper level and builds good karma/energy. If our ethics were as advanced as our sciences, we would live in a much different place.

 

[blazR]

Coming from that point of view - of oneness with all creatures - how can a person be into killing another creature - whether it is for food or anything else?

Are you reffering to "the Miami face-eater"? I doubt very much he was on psychedelics.

//blazR

 

[SpinOutOfControl]

There is not a link between survival and killing other beings for sustenance. If that were the case, I would have been dead 12+ years ago.

The first time I took psychedelics it validated my choice to be a vegetarian. I saw how it was a "more novel" way to live. Additionally, not eating meat allows you to harmonize with Universe at a much deeper level and builds good karma/energy. If our ethics were as advanced as our sciences, we would live in a much different place.

Many things survive by killing their prey. What about a lion, or a whale?

What about plants?

 

[Asante]

What about a lion, or a whale?

They do not harmonize with Nature on as deep a level as Happy_Trails

 

[artsncrafts]

That is because all life has consciousness and consciousness is Psychedelics. All life produces Psychedelics inside their bodies.

Well, sure...except the only thing that I can specifically think of is DMT. What others could you be thinking of?

(i have a very loose, very uneducated theory that DMT may be a contributing factor to consciousness...or that it may be a contributing factor towards what we refer to as a 'soul'...this may be a good explanation as to why it is released when we die).

In any event. I think when it comes to oneness, one should think on it in terms of chemistry, chemical reactions, and the etc. We are, after all, star dust incarnate (as is every carbon based life form). And I think when it comes to psychedelics, the organic based psychoactives are very symbiotic to our consciousness, because everything that's organic shares many of the same basic chemicals, just arranged in different ways, structured and bonded differently. Everyone's brain processes them differently, for sure, however the fact that our chemistry is able to (and possibly designed to) react in such a profound way may be indicative that we are meant to indulge.

I haven't read it personally, but if I'm not mistaken, Terrance McKenna wrote some interesting things on how early humans ingesting psychoactives may have contributed to the evolution of our brain function/consciousness.

As far as one thing killing another thing: Life gives unto life, and all life is transient.

 

[somaeye]

Once during a session I swatted a fly. A friend said: "You monster!", I replied: "His life had gone to completion, I was instrument in his reincarnation. His death was swift and painless. He didn't wither away and grow molds all over his body like the flies of autumn, on this beautiful summer's day, at once, I delivered him into the Light."

But, I assume, you never were the "instrument" of your friend's reincarnation - you haven't sent any human's life "to completion". You didn't "deliver into the Light" your pet dog. And, I assume, you wouldn't appreciate if someone was planning for that to happen to you either.

Also, you are assuming that the fly's death was painless. It's easy to say that death releases someone from pain. There's no one who is able to prove otherwise. However, there are people who have had near death experiences from trying to commit suicide who have reported that they found that death wouldn't have released them - and, in fact, they would have been in a worse state - because, afterwards they not only wouldn't have solved the problems that they were trying to escape, but they also would have had to see the pain they caused others by their suicide, and would have been unable to do anything about it.

 

[Asante]

you haven't sent any human's life "to completion"..

Actually I have. I authorized and carried through my mother's (medically and legally appropriate) euthanasia. Its something I have to live with, but I know that in the same situation my next of kin would do the same for me. Sometimes death is better, and sometimes we are to be the instrument in bringing about that death.

There is no Hell somaeye, only a purgatory one goes through transiently. Nothing lasts forever, not even death, or we wouldnt have emerged from death to be having this discussion.

Heaven or hell everlasting cannot be a balanced consequence of a finite deed, you cannot balance the finite with the infinite, that makes no Karmic sense.

But we're meandering through the hands of personal belief, there is no proof of anything, even our existence. If you go through life fearing Hell you know that the one thing you know you have will be less enjoyable.

Death is natural and comes as the inevitable effect of an undenyable cause. If you get hit by a bus shattering your skull you die. Its fine that way. Imagine NOT dying when your brain drips out of a hole in your skull, the boundless suffering it would bring. Death is a mercy for truly unbearable suffering, and only comes when you are in the worst possible health of all your life.

 

[somaeye]

Actually I have. I authorized and carried through my mother's (medically and legally appropriate) euthanasia.

Not the same thing. What you did with your mother was an attempt to help end suffering. You weren't doing it because you didn't like her being there. The fly wasn't in ill health. If you killed someone because you didn't like them being around and thought you "delivered them into the Light" and "brought their life to completion" -- that would be the same thing as what you did to the fly.

There is no Hell somaeye

I believe that the world is hell but most people are asleep in it. They wake up when they die.

 

[lastest]

Nature is red in tooth and claw. It is not a big hippie love-in of 'oneness'. I respect people's decision to be vegetarian because the way most animals are treated before they are slaughtered is very cruel. I have considered vegetarianism myself because of this. However, this is a social and political issue and has nothing to do with psychedelics in my opinion.

It is my belief that Psychedelics (LSD, DMT, Mescaline, Marijuana, etc.) are the essence of consciousness. They are where all consciousness comes from.

That's simply not true. Why do you believe that?

 

[Misfit Chick]

**singing** its the circle of life....

 

[Asante]

somaeye, who am I to say why I do things? The universe flows through me, I'm just along for the ride. Theres been brain research and it demonstrated the action comes before the cognitive activity, ie you do something, then you think up why you do it. And how often are we wrong, that it turned out our true motives were completely different than what we thought they were? We do things and think up explanations why.

The universe is ruled by cause and effect and ever since the Big Bang every cause IS an effect of other causes. Unless you're the Prime Mover, you're just a witness.

 

[eye_wide_open]

Psychedelics are not consciousness itself.
Consciousness is far greater than this. The universe is consciousness.
Psychedelics are tools for communication with spirits, gods, entities and beings and the deepest parts of your mind as well as the collective subconscious super soul thingy, amongst many other things. They can be used for lots of medical reasons as well.
Very powerful tools when used correctly but they are most often misunderstood and abused.

 

[somaeye]

It is my belief that Psychedelics (LSD, DMT, Mescaline, Marijuana, etc.) are the essence of consciousness. They are where all consciousness comes from.

That's simply not true. Why do you believe that?

Psychedelics expand - i.e., They increase Consciousness. That is because They are Consciousness.

DMT and 5MeO-DMT are produced by the pineal gland in the brain - straight back from between the eyes - where the "third eye" is located.

Why do you think that people who have had near death experiences have report seeing things that are very similar to people who have ingested large amounts of a Psychedelic? It's because they are seeing the essence of their "own" consciousness - which is Psychedelics.

 

[somaeye]

Theres been brain research and it demonstrated the action comes before the cognitive activity, ie you do something, then you think up why you do it.

One of the differences between "animals" and humans is that humans have the ability to think before acting - rather than acting on impulse.

 

[blazR]

DMT and 5MeO-DMT are produced by the pineal gland in the brain - straight back from between the eyes - where the "third eye" is located.

Again.. That's not the thruth. It IS speculated however that the pinealgland are responsible for producing and releasing DMT(and/or 5-MeO-DMT).
But there are no evidence so far, so it is NOT a fact..! I believe the theory though.

//blazR