Canada: Pure ecstasy can be 'safe' if consumed responsibly: B.C. health officer

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[size=+1]Pure ecstasy can be 'safe' if consumed responsibly: B.C. health officer[/size]
VANCOUVER - B.C.'s top health official says taking pure ecstasy can be "safe" when consumed responsibly by adults, despite warnings by police in Alberta and British Columbia about the dangers of the street drug after a rash of deaths.


Dr. Perry Kendall asserts the risks of MDMA - the pure substance originally synonymous with ecstasy - are overblown, and that its lethal dangers only arise when the man-made chemical is polluted by money-hungry gangs who cook it up.

That's why the chief provincial health officer is advocating MDMA be legalized and sold through licensed, government-run stores where the product is strictly regulated from assembly line to check-out.

Just like the growing chorus for marijuana legalization, Kendall believes crushing the dirty ecstasy-saturated black market and its associated violence requires an evidence-based strategy that revolves around public health.


Full article: http://www.globalnews.ca/pure+ecsta...sibly+bc+health+officer/6442660867/story.html
 
Exactly,

Consume no more often than 60 days, (30 minimum, 90 ideally), eat a high tryptophan diet combined with carbs/starchy food for the conversion process to serotonin to be maximized, dont take more than say, 200mg in one night, and take vitaminc C after and drink green tea/ take L-theanine after and you should be okay, and add exercise a few times into your week.

Simples really.
 
That would be amazing if something like this could be kicked off. I don't know, but I'd like to hope that if this were to happen, and results (deaths, OD's) were to improve, it would set an example for other places to also walk along this path. People are going to get high no matter what, and I'd much rather eat pure government-made stuff than engulf some vile shit that a few hoods cooked up in a rusty lab.
 
He claims use would drop if it was legal, what do you guys think? I know that has happened (weed in Holland) but I just can't see MDMA becoming 'less' popular if it was made pure and regulated. It's such an amazing drug and it's perfect for any music event.

I'd definitely love to see this happen, though I do think some people underestimate the long term effects on mood. Of course widespread education could help, and there's been some promising research into neuroprotective agents in combination with MDMA, so maybe legalization would help there. And shit, anyone who wants to pop pills is gonna do it anyway, they're so easy to find.
 
He claims use would drop if it was legal, what do you guys think? I know that has happened (weed in Holland) but I just can't see MDMA becoming 'less' popular if it was made pure and regulated. It's such an amazing drug and it's perfect for any music event.

I'd definitely love to see this happen, though I do think some people underestimate the long term effects on mood. Of course widespread education could help, and there's been some promising research into neuroprotective agents in combination with MDMA, so maybe legalization would help there. And shit, anyone who wants to pop pills is gonna do it anyway, they're so easy to find.

Since Portugal decriminalized possession of all drugs (including heroin, meth, cocaine, etc.) in 2001, a decade later, it was found that all drug use (especially hard drugs) had been cut in half. I don't have any proof but I can only imagine that ecstasy usage has also declined.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/af...ocId=CNG.e740b6d0077ba8c28f6d1dd931c6f679.5e1
 
Since Portugal decriminalized possession of all drugs (including heroin, meth, cocaine, etc.) in 2001, a decade later, it was found that all drug use (especially hard drugs) had been cut in half. I don't have any proof but I can only imagine that ecstasy usage has also declined.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/af...ocId=CNG.e740b6d0077ba8c28f6d1dd931c6f679.5e1

I know that, but ecstasy is a pretty unique case, it's a very popular, social drug, and it's not perceived as addictive or 'a problem' the way heroin, etc. are.
 
He claims use would drop if it was legal, what do you guys think? I know that has happened (weed in Holland) but I just can't see MDMA becoming 'less' popular if it was made pure and regulated. It's such an amazing drug and it's perfect for any music event.

I'd definitely love to see this happen, though I do think some people underestimate the long term effects on mood. Of course widespread education could help, and there's been some promising research into neuroprotective agents in combination with MDMA, so maybe legalization would help there. And shit, anyone who wants to pop pills is gonna do it anyway, they're so easy to find.

The illegal things are the funniest for rebels ;)
 
Top canadian health official says ecstasy should be legalized and sold in stores

B.C.’s top health official says taking pure ecstasy can be “safe” when consumed responsibly by adults, despite warnings by police in Alberta and British Columbia about the dangers of the street drug after a rash of deaths.

Dr. Perry Kendall asserts the risks of MDMA — the pure substance originally synonymous with ecstasy — are overblown, and that its lethal dangers only arise when the man-made chemical is polluted by money-hungry gangs who cook it up.

That’s why the chief provincial health officer is advocating MDMA be legalized and sold through licensed, government-run stores where the product is strictly regulated from assembly line to check-out.

Just like the growing chorus for marijuana legalization, Kendall believes crushing the dirty ecstasy-saturated black market and its associated violence requires an evidence-based strategy that revolves around public health.

“(If) you knew what a safe dosage was, you might be able to buy ecstasy like you could buy alcohol from a government-regulated store,” Kendall said in an interview.

He posits that usage rates would decrease.

Several studies agree the pure substance is not so “ominous,” including research by a Harvard psychiatrist that dispels more damning earlier work.

Kendall was asked whether ecstasy, after further study around correct dosage and in a setting involving strict controls, could be safe.

“Absolutely,” he responded.

“We accept the fact that alcohol, which is inherently dangerous, is a product over a certain age that anybody can access.

“So I don’t think the issue is a technical one of how we would manage that. The issue is a political, perceptual one.”

He does not advocate promoting the drug for recreational use.

At least 16 people from B.C. to Saskatchewan have died since last July from a tainted batch of ecstasy they obtained from criminal dealers, the only way an average person can acquire the drug in Canada. It was cut with a toxin called PMMA.

Police say an average of 20 British Columbians who consume street ecstasy die each year.

Kendall and several other health colleagues liken the mutation of MDMA into a contaminated street drug to the wave of bootleg beverages during the 1920s prohibition era.

“Methyl alcohol led to huge rates of morbidity and mortality in the United States under alcohol prohibition because of illicit alcohol manufacturing,” said Dr. Evan Wood, a lead researcher at the B.C. Centre for Excellence in HIV/AIDS and internationally-recognized expert in drug addiction and related policies.

“PMMA is a natural and expected consequence of the prohibition on ecstasy.”

The RCMP in B.C., who have a team dedicated to dismantling clandestine drug labs, maintain no amount of the substance is safe.

“We would view ecstasy as extremely dangerous,” said Sgt. Duncan Pound, adding police don’t distinguish between MDMA and the street drug in terms of enforcement or prevention strategies.

“Not only given the fact that it’s very hard to determine what might be in any given tablet, but the fact that there’s such an individual reaction to those tablets.”

The medical literature says that MDMA — technically 3,4-methylenedioxymethamphetamine — sends waves of serotonin flooding through the brain. The natural brain chemical makes people feel happy, social and intimate with others.

According to Toronto’s Centre for Addiction and Mental Health, MDMA carries a list of potential health affects that impact each user differently. They include teeth grinding, sweating, increased blood pressure and heart rate, anxiety, blurred vision, nausea, vomiting and convulsions, even at low doses.

The drug’s letdown can include feelings of confusion, irritability, anxiety, paranoia and depression, and people may experience memory loss or sleep problems, jaundice or liver damage.

The deaths associated with street ecstasy, says the centre’s website, usually result from dehydration and overheating when teens gulp down a pill and dance the night away.

It’s also more likely to negatively impact people with other health problems and can interact with other medications people are taking, the centre said.

The medical establishment widely agrees MDMA is not addictive.

But new research suggests some of the drug’s long-stated ill effects are exaggerated.

Using MDMA does nothing to impair cognitive functioning, found one U.S. government-funded study published in the journal Addiction in February 2011.

Dr. John Halpern, a Harvard Medical School assistant professor who led the research, said pure MDMA can change core body temperature, heart rate and blood pressure in the short-term, and decrease immune resistance for a few days.

“But barring that, it appears . . . it can be safely administered, certainly through research,” said Halpern, who has studied MDMA for 15 years and advocates for medical, prescription-based use of the drug.

He hopes Canada leads the way in crafting a “sensible” MDMA strategy.

“We’ve got to do something to make sure that the sanctity of life is protected,” said Halpern, with McLean Hospital in Massachusetts. “It’s certainly worthy of a healthy discussion.”

The Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies has also administered MDMA to more than 500 people in various FDA-approved clinical trials, and there has never been a serious adverse event.

“Meaning that nobody has ever required any medical attention whatsoever from overheating or from a heart attack or from a stroke or from blood pressure going up,” said Rick Doblin, who has a doctorate in public policy from Harvard and founded the privately-funded organization in 1986.

The trials were conducted with pre-screened, healthy adults who did not use other drugs.

MDMA generally only produces the “peace-love” effect that users desire at low dosages, Doblin added.

He supports Kendall’s proposal, but agreed applying it in the real world has major challenges.

“There are problems with criminalization, there are problems with legalization,” he said.

“But the problems with criminalization are worse.”

Kendall’s harm-reduction approach flies in the face of long-standing drug laws. MDMA was criminalized in Canada in 1976 and in the U.S. 1985. It was recently boosted to the top of Canada’s drug scheduling list under the federal government’s omnibus crime bill.

Kendall argued the criminal designation is not based on pharmacology, toxicology, economic analysis “or even a really good analysis of what stops people using drugs.”



Source:
http://aotmr.com/top-canadian-health-official-says-ecstasy-should-be-legalized-and-sold-in-stores/
 
Good article. I think from the years 1983-85 I had consumed pure MDMA about 100 times. Back then 120 mg pills were sold in Texas for about $10-$15 each. Some came in bottles but all seemed to be pure. But I do remember feeling mostly ok the days after, even on the comedown. Maybe a few minutes of a slight depression but nothing like I read today. One time even after consuming 350 mgs I seemed fine the next day. After 1985 it became illegal and MDE was going around for a short time after in it's place. Since then I have had "ecstasy" about 3 times. All were genuine MDMA but seemed to be only about 50 mgs per dose. So I really think good clean MDMA used responsibly is safe. But because of legality issues users today have to wonder what exactly are they getting. That makes the whole game sketchy and it's too bad.
 
Good article. I think from the years 1983-85 I had consumed pure MDMA about 100 times. Back then 120 mg pills were sold in Texas for about $10-$15 each. Some came in bottles but all seemed to be pure. But I do remember feeling mostly ok the days after, even on the comedown. Maybe a few minutes of a slight depression but nothing like I read today. One time even after consuming 350 mgs I seemed fine the next day. After 1985 it became illegal and MDE was going around for a short time after in it's place. Since then I have had "ecstasy" about 3 times. All were genuine MDMA but seemed to be only about 50 mgs per dose. So I really think good clean MDMA used responsibly is safe. But because of legality issues users today have to wonder what exactly are they getting. That makes the whole game sketchy and it's too bad.


Good to hear about it from back then. I started taking it in 1991 and we seemed to get predominately strong tablets, cali whites and splits and doves, but being in Aus they were really expensive compared to today, like sometimes twice the price of todays shit (and twice if not more as potent). The earlier you go back in taking them it seems they were stronger and less adulterated.

I just voted in that poll from SJB's link

Should MDMA be legalized in Canada? Would regulating the legal sale of ecstasy save lives? Let us know what you think.

Yes. 68.29% (1,357 votes)

No. 26.87% (534 votes)

I'm not sure. 4.83% (96 votes)
 
MDMA is really quite safe compared to many drugs.
But "safe" is a relative word, and without education, nothing is safe.
Safe MDMA use requires a good bit of education.
Darksideiam summed it up very nicely in his/her post above, but I am sure that it took years of study to understand the proper safety measures s/he described. After all, they are not taught in school!
If we taught classes on the safe use of drugs, MDMA would be one of the safer ones.
It is because we don't , and because it is illegal, that quality and public knowledge are both compromised, and bad health effects are seen.
 
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Isn't it funny how laissez-faire the government attitude is toward mobilizing troops but when the issue of drugs comes up it's suddenly an incredibly sensitive issue. I think it's only a matter of time before this snowballs into a civil rights issue and the Supreme Court gets involved.
 
If you abuse this drug, you'll find it's not safe at all.

But it's because we don't teach the kids how to use it safely that we get problems... Serotonin Syndrome and 5-HT downregulation are two easily avoidable things, but WILL happen if you let them.



What does safe mean though?

Can you use this drug every day? Certainly not.
Every week? I can tell you first hand that's not safe either.
Once a month? Even that can cause damage over time...

Every 3 months? Well that is where one moderate dose without redosing is safe is regarded as safe.


How many users actually do that though? So, in my mind, saying it is safe is completely unrealistic.



Methamphetamine is pretty damn safe with one small dose orally every 3 months as well, but I don't see anyone posting studies about that.
 
If you abuse this drug, you'll find it's not safe at all.

But it's because we don't teach the kids how to use it safely that we get problems... Serotonin Syndrome and 5-HT downregulation are two easily avoidable things, but WILL happen if you let them.



What does safe mean though?

Can you use this drug every day? Certainly not.
Every week? I can tell you first hand that's not safe either.
Once a month? Even that can cause damage over time...

Every 3 months? Well that is where one moderate dose without redosing is safe is regarded as safe.


How many users actually do that though? So, in my mind, saying it is safe is completely unrealistic.



Methamphetamine is pretty damn safe with one small dose orally every 3 months as well, but I don't see anyone posting studies about that.

Any drug that is abused is not "safe".
This includes caffeine, tobacco, alcohol, sugar, and exercise (which is actually a drug-delivery mechanism, maybe, but you get my point).

As for whether any users actually space out their experiences and don't re-dose, I am one.
I have taken MDMA 4 times in 23 years, and never re-dosed.
One dud (took too little), one bad experience, and 2 great experiences so wonderful that I still plan to take it again.
When the time is ripe...
 
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