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festival death due to " Benzo Fury" ?

Hah. Yea, but I'm thinking I'm not the only one. It's also not just a matter of understanding. I've always been a reckless drug user and guess I will always be one. The feeling of being crazy and out of control is one of the things I enjoy most about drugs and know there are others like me.

It's only because I have good guardian angels and have mostly stayed indoors I haven't come to any serious harm doing MXE. The main problem is that tolerance drops so fast and after one week you can do 500 mgs without feeling it then after a three day break you lick your fingertips a few times and lose your balance and hearing in public.

Also the way it acts SO suddenly and you don' t even know what happened. Has the potential to cause a lotof car crashes, etc. and for that simple reason it's difficult to approve of it. Fine for those who are always careful and ultra-responsible, but as long as so many of us are not it doesn't really help.
 
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Ninae said:
Also the way it acts SO suddenly and you don' t even know what happened. Has the potential to cause a lotof car crashes
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What the fuck??? If someone crashes a car because the MXE kicked in unexpectedly then MXE didn't cause that car crash, the total fucking moron who climbed into a car after taking any amount of MXE caused it.
 
Sure, but keep in mind not everyone reads bluelight or have much experience with drugs. What if it's their first time? It's not just about intelligence but just as much about your emotional/instinctual nature taking over your rational mind. Happens to drug users all the time. In fact, it's kind of a prerequisite for using dangerous and illegal drugs. Or do you think there are no one in prison right now regretting it?
 
Ninae said:
The main problem is that tolerance drops so fast and after one week you can do 500 mgs without feeling it then after a three day break you lick your fingertips a few times and lose your balance and hearing in public.
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Que? Permatolerance is one of the big drawbacks of regular MXE use I'd say. Same as with ketamine tolerance - once it goes up it never goes down again. Well, it does but takes many months if not years to drop appreciably. Another fine example of why the term 'YMMV' is bandied about so much in BLand, I guess. Live and learn, eh? :)

Also, totally agree with PTCH on the MXE/driving thing. I really don't understand why some folks seem to think that driving on drugs is any more acceptable than driving drunk cos it clearly isn't. It's disgustingly irresponsible attitudes like that which gives drug users a bad name. We're supposed to be the intelligent and thoughtful counterpoint to the drunken morons not try to out-stupid them. Driving after a spliff or two is one thing (maybe) but driving after taking a potent dissociative that's well-known for causing sudden and complete dissociation whilst not reducing the user's ability to move about and do stuff they're completely unaware of doing is the act of an utter moron who's almost guaranteed to kill someone sooner rather than later :|

EDIT: Claiming ignorance is no excuse either. If the person knew they were taking a drug for the first time and are unsure what to expect it's arguably even more unbelievably reckless to get behind the wheel. Disgusting behaviour. One can but hope such people will have since been educated on Taking Drugs for Beginners: Lesson 1 - Don't Even Think About Driving. Is hardly Eintein-level thought required to work that one out :\
 
I just don't think it's that simple because intellectually I'm very strong, but emotionally I can be very weak, and don"t have a problem admitting it. And I'm sure there are many with similar problems.

As much as I enjoy drugs I can no longer feel like all drugs can be legalised. There's a difference between the feelgood drugs like opiates and ecstacy that don't cause physical and cognitive dysfunction and dissociatives, psychedelics, and benzos that do.

Just in the name of harm reduction I can't agree with it and feel there's a good reason for these being outlawed.
 
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Shambles says it all really. Not much point in me replying. Cheers bud :)

Edit - On the second post. Some drugs shouldn't be legalised because some idiots can't be trusted with them? Aye? No.

Me thinks you need to read/do/experience/see more before chucking opinions like that around my man.

Especially when you're basically saying - The nice cuddly ones that can do no harm like ecstacy & OPIATES, seriously? What the fuck mate? Opiates have a ridiculous potential for harm if misused.
 
They sure do, just in a different way. I just meant they're not as likely to cause a car crash without you ever knowing what happened. I mean, l just last week after combining MXE with Etizolam, at one moment ,I was at the seasise, in the next I was opening my front door not even remembering wanting to go home with no idea of what happened. As usual, I just dodged traffic etc. with a piece of luck, but not everyone will be that lucky.
 
Ninae said:
Just in the name of harm reduction I can't agree with it and feel there's a good reason for these being outlawed.
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You should perhaps look into how legalisation/decriminalisation of all drugs has panned out where it's been tried so far then (a number of countries now have such pilot schemes running or soon to be running) cos in every case legalisation has significantly reduced drug-related crime, health issues (both indirectly and directly drug-related) but has also actually reduced overall levels of drug use.

Personally I am of the opinion that anyone who doesn't see that legalisation is clearly the ultimate Harm Reduction strategy just hasn't really thought about it properly or looked into the results such strategies have achieved. In most cases it seems anti-legalisation folks either have personal problems with one or more substances and - however misguidedly - think that their illegality may somehow help others to avoid similar issues (which is clearly demonstrably not only untrue but the opposite of what is actually the case) or are just plain hypocrites - "People like us are okay cos we can handle drugs but most people couldn't and chaos would ensue so we're just saving 'em from themselves really" kinda thing.

Legalisation of all drugs is the only way forward for drug policy worldwide. Use the countless billions - if not trillians - this would save annually on health and addiction treatment, tackling real crime, and accurate drug education programmes then watch drug-related problems fade back to its natural levels rather than the hyperinflated level directly caused by the blanket criminalisation of drugs.

PS: Tis true. Nobody has ever caused an accident by nodding at the wheel on opiates. Fact.
 
What shambles said. Prohibition is never an answer for what should be blindingly obvious reasons given recent history i.e. the last 100 years. It is the polar opposite of the right thing to do!

You need to think beyond your own narrow experience and look at the system and the systemic effects.
 
If you took MXE then unwillingly/unknowingly drove home without meaning to then that's an issue you have with the drug. You probably shouldn't take it. I've taken it a few times (& got in some proper states), but never even came close to doing anything like that & know that I never would. Just because you did that doesn't mean the drug should be illegal. I shouldn't be allowed to take it because you can't be trusted to take it without doing something stupid?

Anyway, when did making drugs illegal mean that people don't take them? I take drugs all the time, they're very rarely legal.
 
No, opiates probably hasn't caused that many car accidents. At least it would take a lot as any kind of strong stimulation like driving a car tends to keep you awake. And like your hero some of us are just too crazy to be trusted with it. I sure don't have any reason to trust myself and my drug use has always been crazy and reckless. I dont even drive a car, but that doesn't mean I can't be hit by one.

By rights I should be dead by now, and my uncle has been in a wheelchair since he was 29 after being beaten up over drug debt, so please try to be realistic, people. I hate to admit it, but alcohol and nicotine are probably the only drugs that can be used relatively safely, and it's no accident they are the only legal ones.

I also tend to see it the other way around, that it's people who are dependent on drugs for their survival who tend to have a skewed view on it. Of course they would like them to be legalised. Someone who just uses them recreationally maybe not as much.
 
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Now I know you're taking the piss.
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No, and I said I hate to admit it, but there is just so much involved with other drugs, if just the illegality of it. There are many who just want to try drugs out of curiosity then end up with a 5 year prison sentence for selling not very long after. Even if for some reason something like that has never happened to you there are worse fates out there and it's not really irrelevant...
 
Who has ever been sent down for five years for first time possession of personal quantities of drugs?
 
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Who has ever been sent down for five years for first time possession of personal quantities of drugs?
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Because for some the step from buying to selling isn't that far. I had my house raided by the police after MXE and Etizolam was stopped in the mail, because they suspected I was selling, even though they were really nice about it. And it's not like it's not going to happen to anyone else.
 
You just don't undetstand my point of view. Even if many drugs SHOULD be legal and I wish they were, it's a fact that they're NOT, and we still have to relate to that reality. What things could be like in a fantasy world is kind of irrelevant.
 
You've got to be a troll. Opiates don't have the same harm potential as MXE when legal? Was MXE not legal for quite a while? I never liked the stuff but I never saw it causing a hundredth of the problems mephedrone caused. If heroin was legal like that unregulated 99% pure there would be serious fatalities.

Also alcohol and tobacco can be used relitively safely? Tell that to the old timers down my local who smoke 40 fags and day and drink 10 pints every night after work..

You really don't have a clue it seems.
 
Yea, thanks, I think what I've learnt from this thread is that no drugs are harmless. There are some of us that can get away with whatever crazy shit, but I'm thinking it can't last forever and there are those who aren't as lucky. Drugs do break down your rational mind no matter how intelligent you are.
 
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