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Is it safe to try Heroin if you have a low opiate tolerance ?

chaseconroe said:
Op hasnt said anything in a while maybe he didn't wait for advice.
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I'm still alive and well.

Seriously people, it feels like all the things ive read and hear about Heroin are amplified and exaggerated to the point of absurdity (almost) .

I tried some for the first time after writing the first post in this thread and all I could think about / remember, before "pumping myself up" to snort some was all the god damn horror stories and all the "NO's!! DONT DO IT!!!!, YOU"RE GONNA DIE!!! , STOPP!!" ....that I had read, echoing in my head , fear had practically engulfed me to the point that it almost put me off to trying it.

BUT, here I am , a week or so later . I don't feel an uncontrollable "urge" to try it again, I don't feel like I need to go out and rob a seven eleven.

YES, it is a powerful drug and I can see how it can be dangerous ie. potency issues (and for a lot of people out there that are "inexperienced, rushing, peer pressure, bad crowd / environment (setting), lack of judgment due to intoxication...etc) BUT, DAMN, the amount of scare tactics out there literally had me on edge throughout the whole experience, jeezus. (Maybe this is a positive thing ??, not sure).

I did end up snorting 10-15 mg and... had an "interesting" experience, reminded me of Oxycodone mixed with Crack. Warm rushing wave of comfort and sedation followed by this "energy" and then followed by shaking and jittering for 30-40 minutes. Anyways, I wouldn't mind trying it again but like I said before, it's not something I would go out of my way to do.


On a side note;

There was some discussion of dosages and bags here in this thread, and I wanted to address that because I'm not sure "whats what" with my gear.

The bags I got are sold as "quarters" , the dealer always uses the word "quarter" (I don't know if he's referring to quarter of a gram or not) and he said he won't sell "grams" because there's no money in that (what ?).
So anyways, the bags are those small little plastic dime bags (with an interesting design on one side of them), so, when I weighed them on my scale they all measured out to be .30 +/- grams. Is this correct for a "quarter" (whatever that means ?).
 
make sure you have someone with you who will watch you, and knows the signs of an OD, with that said...get one line of H,divide it into 3, and do one every 20minutes or so..also allow time to pass for the high to kick in, you may not feel like your high, but trust, if you do H, your gonna get high...if you over do it.. your gonna feel really high...then really really, and your gonna keep climbing until the high is no longer fun and your throwing up, and nodding out at the same time........start slow, build a tolerance......enjoy your honey moon phase with this devil...it will consume you
 
BottleDryer said:
Seriously people, it feels like all the things ive read and hear about Heroin are amplified and exaggerated to the point of absurdity (almost) .

I tried some for the first time after writing the first post in this thread and all I could think about / remember, before "pumping myself up" to snort some was all the god damn horror stories and all the "NO's!! DONT DO IT!!!!, YOU"RE GONNA DIE!!! , STOPP!!" ....that I had read, echoing in my head , fear had practically engulfed me to the point that it almost put me off to trying it.

BUT, here I am , a week or so later . I don't feel an uncontrollable "urge" to try it again, I don't feel like I need to go out and rob a seven eleven.

Anyways, I wouldn't mind trying it again but like I said before, it's not something I would go out of my way to do.
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I do agree that the "evils" of heroin or the likelihood of dying from it (directly) are definitely overblown by the media and many members of the public. However, it does kill people and it does ruin lives. In my opinion the risk of addiction is much worse than the risk of overdose. You can do a lot to greatly reduce the likelihood of unintentional overdose, but you can't do much to reduce the likelihood of addiction (other than never doing heroin). Heroin is rarely an immediately addicting drug. Almost everyone says "what's the big deal, I'm not going to get addicted to this" the first time they try it. But 25% of people who try it do eventually become addicted. That may not sound like a lot to some people, but 1/4 people who try something just once sooner or later becoming desperately addicted to and physically dependent on it sounds pretty scary to me. And the problem is that there is no way to know beforehand whether or not you will be that 1 in 4. I was one of those people who said exactly what you just said the first time I tried heroin. I started doing it once a month, then it became once a week, then every couple days, and eventually I was doing it all day every day. It took me over 10 years to get off it. It was terrible waking up extremely sick and depressed and miserable every day and NEEDING that heroin just to feel normal. I do not wish heroin addiction on anyone and I do not think that trying it is any way worth the risk of possibly becoming addicted/dependent.

The bags I got are sold as "quarters" , the dealer always uses the word "quarter" (I don't know if he's referring to quarter of a gram or not) and
So anyways, the bags are those small little plastic dime bags (with an interesting design on one side of them), so, when I weighed them on my scale they all measured out to be .30 +/- grams. Is this correct for a "quarter" (whatever that means ?).
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Yes, a "quarter" refers to a quarter of a gram. Either your scale is not very precise or the dealer slightly over-fills his bags - .3 is very close to .25 anyway. Who knows how much real heroin is in it, street heroin can range anywhere from 0% heroin (which is called getting ripped off of course ;) ) to 75% heroin - usually it's around 10-15%, but it varies wildly. Dealers will get heroin that is already cut with fillers and then they cut it even more themselves. Some dealers will add cuts and give you a heavier weight to make themselves look good: if you weigh the bag and it's overweight or you look at it and the quantity looks big you will think they are a good fair supplier.

he said he won't sell "grams" because there's no money in that (what ?).
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As to why he feels that "there's no money in grams" it's because he can sell a quarter for more than 1/4 the price of a gram. So, just theoretically speaking, if a quarter somewhere had the going rate of, say, $50, and a gram sold for, say, $150, then it would be more profitable to sell quarters than grams, because if he sold 10 grams in packages of .25g he would make (gross) $2000, whereas if he sold 10g in 1g packages he would make $1500. Solely using these random prices to illustrate my example. However, some dealers prefer to only deal in larger quantities because they have to see less customers that way (and therefore spend less time at it), will only have to see the type of customers who have enough money to afford larger quantities, and will spend less on gas etc (if they deliver).
 
Surely the Oxy is cheaper than H if you're still at 10mg. Jeez you could still get blown off 120mg of codeine, what are you playing at?
Get a couple boxes of co-codamol for about the same as said bag of dope and enjoy. H is the last step before the downfall.
 
Probably shouldn't. But in my experience no matter how much u say not to peeps will do as they please. Not a lot to say except please think twice and have someone u trust with u in case it turns ugly. Hate to c u start down that road. Wish someone woulda said that shit to me
 
lol i get my "bags" at .4, and kill it in two seperate goes...and I pay for the price of on bag. I love livin in texas

and OP, dont ever do it again..it will KILL YOUR SOUL MAAN. listen to everybody here when they tell you its bad news. We all started just like you, and we can only WISH we never touched that shit. Your probally saying to your gawd dang self" i wont get hooked" "ill just do it every other......"shut the hell up with that. This stuff is evil, you will get hooked on it, and it will ruin your effin life no matter who you are, no matter who your parents are, as a matter of fact it doesnt matter who your god is. Heroin will become your god. just dont fall into. Stick to your pills brutha.

and PS.. snorting H will lead to shooting it.. I did the shit up my nose for a year and a half. This past week i finally gave in to the needle
 
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I really prefer snorting it, provided that the cut isnt a clogging irritating hell. I still very much get a rush from it.
 
I think that to my self also. but when that pile of white powder is sitting there, and I think to my self "i wanna get the most out of this" its a no brainer. Ill grab my spoon, open up a new rig and stab my self, Since im just starting to use the needle things are GREAT. I can be high off of .4 of powdered h all day. But I figure this is the equal to me doing .8 a day which will only lead to a faster tolerance..so if your using H on any sort of "basis" you will pick up the needle at some point..and you have, and then stopped, you will eventually find a way back to it
 
I am not trying to downplay your struggle, but I think if you are strong enough, or have a defect to where you just do not get as addicted as other people, you can modulate your use better.
 
gaktattack said:
I am not trying to downplay your struggle, but I think if you are strong enough, or have a defect to where you just do not get as addicted as other people, you can modulate your use better.
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Great HR advice - 'slam skag with no tolerance and hope you're defected!'
 
SproutOnSmack said:
Great HR advice - 'slam skag with no tolerance and hope you're defected!'
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I could have just said it was a symptom of weak willpower, but instead I said "I was the one with defect in that I wouldn't get as addicted". It doesn't matter though, the verdict is in, and the vast majority of people who try heroin and coke do not develop long term habits and or habituation.
 
Lol.. so you think its about will power? Heroin changes your brain chemistry once you do it enough brutha. It isnt about will power anymore once you let that devil in
 
Give it a year or two and spout that same shit. No-one ever set out to become a dope fiend and a bit of 'willpower' doesn't change much.
 
gaktattack said:
I could have just said it was a symptom of weak willpower, but instead I said "I was the one with defect in that I wouldn't get as addicted". It doesn't matter though, the verdict is in, and the vast majority of people who try heroin and coke do not develop long term habits and or habituation.
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gaktattack said:
You're absolutely right. You have essentially been given death sentences.
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I think I understood what you were trying to say, that whether or not you will become addicted depends on whether your brain happens to be predisposed to addiction, correct? But I would not say the vast majority of people don't get addicted. 1 in 4 people who try heroin end up becoming physically dependent on it according to the studies. Not sure how accurate they really are, but even 25% of people simply trying it getting seriously addicted both physically and psychologically sounds pretty scary to me, especially since you have no way to know in advance whether or not you will be that 1 in 4 and you have no way to prevent it other than not using heroin in the first place. The likelihood of addiction also goes up with every time you use. The risk of addiction is very real and not something to be taken lightly or assumed can be avoided through willpower.
 
what is the main reason you want to try heroin, out of interest?

oh and to your first question is it safe - I'd say it depends on your personality. for anyone to try, once smoking off foil, for that one occasion is "safe" BUT you don't know until you try it how much you'll like in and where it will ultimately lead you. I would say more than most other drugs trying it is a risk because of how habit forming it can be to some people - and you don't know if you're one of those people until you've tried it... and even then you might think you're not then realise at a later date you are.
 
Definetly not safe at all if you have a light opiate tolerance. Back when i was abusing oxycontin in 2004 i was injecting up to 200mgs (5 oxy 40's), when i learned how cheap and strong heroin was i switched and i compared one bag of heroin of about the potency of 200mg oxycontin most definetly. an oxy 80 can kill a lightweight opiate user easy, so think about IVing one bag, esp with the dangers of purity, a bad batch an idiot dealer laced with battery acid is common to happen, result:death. its a big gamble. When i went to prison for 3 years due to my heroin addiction in 2005, i was opiate free. when i got home i went right to getting heroin, i bought one bag, IV'ed it, ended up blacking out and slurring, drooling, nodding out to sleep in fron of my parents, im pretty sure i hit Respiratory depression. i dont reccommend doing heroin unless ur familiar with the general purity of it in ur area if u know anyone that does it that can lead u to whats the right dose. im in Buffalo, i used to do 6 bags at once to get high, if i were to go to Baltimore for example and bought 6 bags thinking thats what i need, i bet 1 of them bags easily could be stronger than the 6 bags i get in Buffalo, so each city can have a bg spike in purity levels..its just noo good. Sorry for drifting topic, im stoned and took adderalll :-) forgive me. my 2 cents
 
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