Warning about un-ID'd dissociative experience; This drug could be bad; I need insight

[Kamuix]

Ok so let me start off from where my experiance started. I received 10 grams of what I came to be 95% sure is 3-meo-PCE.

For the first bit after doing it I thought it was some PCP analog because one of the big difference between the effects of this and MXE was SIGMA activity, the effects match up with what others have experianced with 3-meo-pce. The doses matched up perfectly and everything else I read on 3-meo-pce in the WIKI articles. And when I found out the the chemical structure of 3-meo-pce is almost the exact same as MXE it made even more sense because I figured whoever made it probably made it wrong or maybe it was easier to make I don't really know.

Here's where i got stupid I began to use 3-meo-pce way too much thinking it couldn't be any worse than MXE, I must of went through 2 or so grams in 3 weeks, I eventually realised that this drug had to go, it made me feel invincible, I mean MXE induces good euphoria, but it was nothing like this because it felt more like PCP where you felt no ego boundaries, and it made you completely numb after awhile. Ok so what I wasted weeks on this stuff, I can recover right? Well as days pass, I could still feel it, when I move my head I still feel dissociated, I feel sober compared to when I was on it, when reading in one 3-meo-pce thread here someone said it took a whole week to reach baseline, well it's not been 7 days and i can still feel it, and i cannot say for sure if it's been slowely going away or not. I fear that this effect is perminant but I take full responsility for what I did, i blame me for this, I should of stopped when I first noticed signs of something being out of place, here's three of the BIG signs of something about this drug being out of place:

1. One maybe 4 occasions when i was on a higher dose of this drug, I felt a bizairr tingling between my neck and my head, this wasn't tingling like you feel when youre high, this was the same tingling feeling I felt in my back after putting too much pressure on it, like cells dying or nerves dying, I should of stopped using this RIGHT after this, but i was stupid.

2. after a week for so after I began using this drug, my clothes would begin to stink like something weird, after washing my clothes, this stink it still in my clothes, we tried many different ways to get it out, different cleaners, amonia, people complain that the bathroom stinks like it after ive been in it, it's coming off me, someone blamed the vitamins I was taking but I highly doubt that's it.

3. It's been a week and I still feel it's dissociation and I can't say for sure wether it's been slowely wearing off or not, i fear the effects are perminant and/or I may have brain damage.

Of course I take full responsibility for this and am going to try to look at it in a positive way, I am looking into detox methods, I will NEVER take this drug again of course, and I am here to warn others of the possible problems with this drug. I'm taking good vitamins and now taking whey protein, i'm physically fit and bike a lot, other then the 3 things mentioned above i haven't experianced anything else, no health problems or anything, I will keep in touch and let you all know how things go as things go..

These 3 things really bother and disturb me though, what could come off my body and get into clothes and towels that smells musty and can't be removed? Towels are being thrown out because of this. Hopefully It's slowely being excreted from the body and that ill return to normal. as of now it has been exactly 7 days since my last dose.

ANY insight, suggestions or anything would be greatly appreciated!

 

[Ismene]

Towels are being thrown out because of this.

That is serious.

I don't think 2 grams in 3 weeks is going to cause you permanent brain damage. And I can't imagine why washing your body and clothes would result in a permanent musty smell - perhaps change your deoderant?

 

[<SpaceHead>]

I tried 3-meo-pce at a reasonable dose once and it was really pleasant and not too intense. But yea it sounds like you way over did it, but your heading in the right direction by already accepting the responsibility for your actions. It's definitely scary when you start getting strange side effects from such unknown and new drugs. After a binge like this on such a strong drug its going to take you much more than a week to feel normal again, but if you stay positive and keep taking care of yourself you will speed up the process. Out of all the drugs I have done and threads I have read about other people taking drugs I've never heard of a drug side effect causing someone to smell disgusting, maybe there are medical conditions that exist that do this that could have been triggered by this binge but that seems very unlikely. And, PCP is neurotoxic, I assume 3-meo-pce can be as well especially if taken at such high dosages and frequency. So you may have damaged your brain to some degree, but staying positive and exercising, sleeping and eating well will help your brain repair itself faster. I accidentally overdosed on DXM taking 3500mg at once and experienced a week long dissociation and many other side effects, but after about three weeks I was feeling balanced again. I learned from my experience and I'm sure you too will take much more precaution with powerful chemicals in the future. Although are you really sure it was 3-meo-pce? This chemical is much stronger and longer lasting by dosage than methoxetamine.

 

[Ismene]

I So you may have damaged your brain to some degree

I don't think so. Self-diagnosing brain damage is so unreliable as to be worthless. The brain is a pretty resilient organ. Remember brain cells are dying every day naturally - no-one ever notices this, so the chances of you noticing the damage to a couple of nerve endings amongst the hundred billion brain cells is nill.

And that's even assuming 3meo-pcp causes brain damage - when there is absolutely no evidence whatsoever to support this theory.

 

[<SpaceHead>]

its true, but 3-meo-pce is a very potent drug and he went through 2000mg. I believe it also has a very long half life and would stay in circulation for an extremely long time with dosages like that. I'm not a doctor and I don't know the technical definition of brain damage, but it seems like a binge like this would cause some kind of damage. Most likely reversible but you can't be sure. Funny enough I'm actually coming down from PCP right now... ha. Consider F&B who invented methoxetamine went catatonic and was hospitalized from IMing 50mg of 3-meo-pcp, and 3-meo-pce is in the same dosage and duration ballpark, this guy took 40 times that amount over three weeks.

 

[Ismene]

2000mg over 3 weeks tho - that's 95mg a day, I can't see what permanent damage that would cause - and even if there was permanent damage you wouldn't be able to "feel" brain damage - it doesn't work like that.

F&B isn't relevant - he wasn't hospitalised because of brain damage. If you are saying can you have mental problems from taking too many dissociative drugs then I'd say yes - but mental problems and brain damage are two very seperate things.

 

[Kamuix]

I don't think 2 grams in 3 weeks is going to cause you permanent brain damage. And I can't imagine why washing your body and clothes would result in a permanent musty smell - perhaps change your deoderant?

It could of been up to 3 or more grams, It was foolish, and the smell was coming off me and getting into my clothes, and then washing my clothes couldnt get this smell out, mostly shirts, i don't know for sure what the cause for this is exactly it's just the timing of it matches.

I tried 3-meo-pce at a reasonable dose once and it was really pleasant and not too intense. But yea it sounds like you way over did it, but your heading in the right direction by already accepting the responsibility for your actions. It's definitely scary when you start getting strange side effects from such unknown and new drugs. After a binge like this on such a strong drug its going to take you much more than a week to feel normal again, but if you stay positive and keep taking care of yourself you will speed up the process. Out of all the drugs I have done and threads I have read about other people taking drugs I've never heard of a drug side effect causing someone to smell disgusting, maybe there are medical conditions that exist that do this that could have been triggered by this binge but that seems very unlikely. And, PCP is neurotoxic, I assume 3-meo-pce can be as well especially if taken at such high dosages and frequency. So you may have damaged your brain to some degree, but staying positive and exercising, sleeping and eating well will help your brain repair itself faster. I accidentally overdosed on DXM taking 3500mg at once and experienced a week long dissociation and many other side effects, but after about three weeks I was feeling balanced again. I learned from my experience and I'm sure you too will take much more precaution with powerful chemicals in the future. Although are you really sure it was 3-meo-pce? This chemical is much stronger and longer lasting by dosage than methoxetamine.

Thanks a lot it means a lot and not quite 100% sure

Another bizzair thing I forgot to mention was while still doing the drug is on maybe 4 occasions when I would wake up i'd jump up out of my bed on awakening or jolt forward. That hasn't happened to me since I stopped using it thank god.

 

[Thorns Have Roses]

I don't know what you read when researching this drug, but you were horribly misinterpreting it if you thought this could be used like MXE. In any case, abstain from any dissociative use, eat healthy, and be patient. Even more reasonable dissociative binges can produce psychological effects that last much longer than what you've experienced thus far.

 

[Incunabula]

Ok so let me start off from where my experiance started. I received 10 grams of what I came to be 95% sure is 3-meo-PCE.

For the first bit after doing it I thought it was some PCP analog because one of the big difference between the effects of this and MXE was SIGMA activity, the effects match up with what others have experianced with 3-meo-pce. The doses matched up perfectly and everything else I read on 3-meo-pce in the WIKI articles. And when I found out the the chemical structure of 3-meo-pce is almost the exact same as MXE it made even more sense because I figured whoever made it probably made it wrong or maybe it was easier to make I don't really know.

Sorry to hear about your bad exerience. it sounds really strange that some one should send you 10 g of 3-meo-pce by accident, it's pretty rare and could be sold for much more than MXE.
What was your original order for? You could send some of to ecstasydata.org for testing if you want to be sure what it is you've got.

I'm sure you'll be alright in the end, but it might take a while. Exercise, good food and a healthy sleeping pattern will get you back up. Another suggestion could be to try the saune maybe.

 

[<SpaceHead>]

On second thought maybe the smell could be the drug being excreted from your body. I got some pcp recently and you can smell just two dipped cigs of it in a droor from across the room pretty much. It smells like an odd airplane glue type smell, i remeber the other non ketone pcp analogues had similar but different odd synthetic stink. The drug has a really long half life so maybe your still sweating it out or something? yea maybe try the sauna or a steam bath?

And it is true that is very odd you would accidentaly get 10g of this product. I would imagine that amount being sold for what it is would be extremely expensive, much more than mxe.

 

[ungelesene_bettlek]

Ok so let me start off from where my experiance started. I received 10 grams of what I came to be 95% sure is 3-meo-PCE.

For the first bit after doing it I thought it was some PCP analog because one of the big difference between the effects of this and MXE was SIGMA activity, the effects match up with what others have experianced with 3-meo-pce. The doses matched up perfectly and everything else I read on 3-meo-pce in the WIKI articles. And when I found out the the chemical structure of 3-meo-pce is almost the exact same as MXE it made even more sense because I figured whoever made it probably made it wrong or maybe it was easier to make I don't really know.

so you ordered 10 grams of methoxetamine, and just by comparison of your subjectively felt effects with trip reports from others you "came to be 95% sure" that this is in fact 3-MeO-PCE, a very rare compound much more expensive than MXE? aha...

 

[amanitadine]

This is silly. So, you ordered MXE, and it felt different to you, so you ASSUMED it was 3-MeO PCE, a much rarer substance that is sold for over ten times as much? Not a chance in hell dude. And it couldn't have been made by "accident", two very different syntheses here. This is why bluelight doesn't do drug identification threads, because there is too much room for conjecture and no room for fact. My only advice? Don't burn through 2 grams of a mystery drug that makes you feel bad and your towels stink. A little bit of responsibility goes a looooooooong way, dudeface.

 

[Survived Abortion]

I'm sorry to hear you had such a bad experience with this. As previous posters have said, time will heal you. Just eat and drink healthily so as to accelerate the process. And yes, saunas/steam rooms will help. Drink lots of fresh fruit juices (not the stuff made from concentrates), green vegetables, and spring water to flush the toxins out of your system.

About the smell: I have noticed from a few different psychedelics compounds that I have an odd body odour the next day. I usually notice it in the shower. 2C-T-2 in particular makes me smell like sulphur, which smells like match heads. This typically goes away after a day of sweating the metabolites out. This is after just one dose though, so I could imagine that the metabolites produced from a 3 week bender on a long-acting compound could stay around for significantly longer. Again, your body will excrete them in time.

 

[jazz hands]

I agree with certain drugs changing your smell noticeably

 

[Kamuix]

I have somewhat good news everyone.. I was going to wait alittle longer to make sure, but last night after posting this I began drinking ALOT of water and did that all day, until I was pissing atleast every hour and as of now.. I feel myself coming back to normal, maybe 25% of the way to baseline from where I was when I started the thread, i'm not to get my hopes up too much, i am going to continue drinking loads of water(won't overdose) and eat healthy. I've always started taking whey protien I don't think that helps just i haven't been taking protein just vitamins.

On second thought maybe the smell could be the drug being excreted from your body. I got some pcp recently and you can smell just two dipped cigs of it in a droor from across the room pretty much. It smells like an odd airplane glue type smell, i remeber the other non ketone pcp analogues had similar but different odd synthetic stink. The drug has a really long half life so maybe your still sweating it out or something? yea maybe try the sauna or a steam bath?

And it is true that is very odd you would accidentaly get 10g of this product. I would imagine that amount being sold for what it is would be extremely expensive, much more than mxe.

I guess I got a good deal, i figured MXE would be more expensive it seems to be in high damand

so you ordered 10 grams of methoxetamine, and just by comparison of your subjectively felt effects with trip reports from others you "came to be 95% sure" that this is in fact 3-MeO-PCE, a very rare compound much more expensive than MXE? aha...

Well i based it off more than that, and actually I am maybe.. 75% sure it is in 3-meo-pce. The described effects matched up, the doses matched up and most of the PCP analogs are active in very simular doses as PCP itself. Finding out that the chemical structures of both MXE and 3meoPCE are almost the exact same but now i don't know if this is relivant. And I've just recently been able to match up the smell and appearance from someone else who has had 3-meo-pce.

And it has to be a more rare compound, because theres no more common compound that matches anywhere close to the dose, effects, appearance, etc. of what I have theres no more common compound that comes anywhere close, I recently found out that 3-meo-pcpr would also match up in terms of dosage, but those ones is even MORE rare.

I read through the 'Big & Dandy 3-Meo-PCE' thread and read everyones in depth experiance and many details match up and many of the little things/side effects etc.. people noted matched up too also, a quote from the user Fagott:

Yeah, I really loved 3-meo-pce too. Going to take it again soon.
It stayed in the body for ages though. Almost one week to reach total baseline.

Sorry I shouldn't of said 95% that was not a responsible number but I do think the chances are fair that it's 3-meo-pce if not it could be 3-meo-pcpr those are the only two with dosages that match up, just throwing out a suggestion could the forum possible allow drug IDS and maybe with a disclaimer or something letting the person know what he needs to know for example.. that he's at his own risk because of the whole fact and conjunture thing etc. It's kind of fun brainstorming with people trying to match things into place.. but I don't know maybe it's still is a baad idea, it's no as bad with this because theres only so many Arylcyclohexylamines.. well there's quite a few actually but not nearly as many as for example tryptamines/PEAS and come to think of it I guess it would be next to impossible to match up a synthetic cannabanoid considering theyre are like... more than 200 with all extremely simular effects.. Atleast with this it's a lot easier to narrow down.

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/504286-PCP-analogs-(Cumulative)?highlight=pcpr

Thanks alot though everyone it means alot that you guys all worked with me instead of against me you guys made me feel a lot better last night and your advice was great. I'll keep updating i', not getting my hopes up because who knows maybe it just feels like it's going away...

 

[thadocta13]

Continue what you are doing and saunas work wonders. I'm pretty positive you'll be okay with a little bit of time. I fucked myself up real bad with a 20g bag of DXM, dosing 700mg and then re-dosing an hour or 2 later with 500mg, every day for 6 days straight, on top of it consuming only grapefruit juice to inhibit CYP2D6. After 6 days, i full-on kept frying on the DXM for another 2 days, then on day 9 (still frying without ingesting any DXM since day 6) I smoked a small bowl of weed and it rocketed me into sigma. I had full blown psychosis and the works. Auditory hallucinations, visual hallucinations, extreme paranoia and delusions, stiff muscles, hyperventilating to the point where my throat dried up and could not swallow. I was so paranoid and delusional that i convinced myself i had bromide poisoning after realizing i hadnt urinated for a day and a half.

Long story short, I lost all of my short term memory and some of my long-term, started wandering down a road while calling 911 for an ambulance, positive i was dying or my brain had finally popped and perma-fried itself. I didnt know my name or what was going on, the EMT's were speaking EXACTLY like a family member of mine and i had all sorts of odd thoughts of what was going on. They had me try to write my name and i just wrote a bunch of letter J's and then went catatonic, they asked me if i was okay with that and i was unresponsive. At a certain point i thought i had died and heard the machines stop beeping. At another time i saw and felt blood squirting out of my arm, then asked a nurse what was happening and then it was gone only to realize it was a cord touching my arm that caused the sensation. Of course this was alot more terrifying and reality-defying than my ability to describe it in words. I've done alot of drugs but this hands down was the furthest out of reality I have been, almost like i dipped my toes into the afterlife of some sort with such a strong feeling of being just plain DEAD.

Also, catheters are no fun. The only positive thing i can take from having a catheter inserted is the 2 attractive nurses who were doing it. They gave me Zyprexa and i finally went to sleep to wake up back in reality but STILL buzzing on the DXM because it was still floating around in my brain. This was 2 months ago and I am for the most part recovered but have short-term memory problems and some worsened emotional damage. The day i was released from the hospital I almost stabbed a kid with 2 large kitchen knives after running down the middle of the street screaming in rage. I had become angry but it was x100 I just burst into complete rage and had an episode. Luckily nobody was hurt because the kid took off, and I returned home before cops showed up.

Moral of the story, take it easy on dissociatives, or any powerful mind-altering chemical (especially rare ones with little testing and knowledge about them) for that matter. Take a good break from all substances that your brain deserves. It will thank you. Sorry for the lengthy post, just thought you should hear some other experiences and know that you can recover from this and that you're not alone. stay safe

 

[Ismene]

Remember, drinking a bottle of whiskey will cause massively more "brain damage" than 3meo ever will - and people have drunk a bottle of whiskey every day for decades and been fine. So 3 weeks on 95mg isn't going to destroy your brain.

 

[Kamuix]

Long story short, I lost all of my short term memory and some of my long-term, started wandering down a road while calling 911 for an ambulance, positive i was dying or my brain had finally popped and perma-fried itself. I didnt know my name or what was going on, the EMT's were speaking EXACTLY like a family member of mine and i had all sorts of odd thoughts of what was going on. They had me try to write my name and i just wrote a bunch of letter J's and then went catatonic, they asked me if i was okay with that and i was unresponsive. At a certain point i thought i had died and heard the machines stop beeping. At another time i saw and felt blood squirting out of my arm, then asked a nurse what was happening and then it was gone only to realize it was a cord touching my arm that caused the sensation. Of course this was alot more terrifying and reality-defying than my ability to describe it in words. I've done alot of drugs but this hands down was the furthest out of reality I have been, almost like i dipped my toes into the afterlife of some sort with such a strong feeling of being just plain DEAD. .

wow I read your whole experiance that must of been really REALLY scary I had one scary dxm experiance but it was no where near as bad as yours. DXM happens to be the first dissociative i did and to this day it's my favorite been doing it for 3 years and a half and on two occasions i got it pure received 20 grams once and 50 the other and one time i wrectlessly poored dxm from the container into a drink thinking i poured a second plateau dose of 500mgs roughly, I took up to or more than 1500 and that was my most intense dxm experiance ever and I fell into SIGMA plateau about an hour in, i felt like i entered a different realm, that plateau is sooo eirie and just.. I thought i was talking to spirates but It's like my concious mind became separate from my subcontious and they were talking to eachother... the worst part was the panic attack because my heart was racing fast and i thought i was near death, TBH your experiance sounds like it was 5+ times scarier than mine though... wow.. and just two months ago? yikes, when was the last time you did a dissociative?

On another occasion I did a 9 day dxm binge where I did roughly 500mgs everyday went to work on it and everything, but I only did doses once in a day for the most part i don't think i would redose until the next day, during the day though not at night. I had to stop though... Dxm when on it like that turns you into a happy goofy child, but irresponsible and unorganized and worst of all time passed you by, that month(it was last august) was just fog in my memory

I still can't beleive how overconfident I became.. never again. but yeah thanks a lot for sharing your experiance

And Ismene can't agree more...

 

[Kamuix]

Ok it's officially been two weeks since my last dose and i've deffinately come down maybe about half way from where I was a week ago.

 

[idontdothizz]

wow I read your whole experiance that must of been really REALLY scary I had one scary dxm experiance but it was no where near as bad as yours. DXM happens to be the first dissociative i did and to this day it's my favorite been doing it for 3 years and a half and on two occasions i got it pure received 20 grams once and 50 the other and one time i wrectlessly poored dxm from the container into a drink thinking i poured a second plateau dose of 500mgs roughly, I took up to or more than 1500 and that was my most intense dxm experiance ever and I fell into SIGMA plateau about an hour in, i felt like i entered a different realm, that plateau is sooo eirie and just.. I thought i was talking to spirates but It's like my concious mind became separate from my subcontious and they were talking to eachother... the worst part was the panic attack because my heart was racing fast and i thought i was near death, TBH your experiance sounds like it was 5+ times scarier than mine though... wow.. and just two months ago? yikes, when was the last time you did a dissociative?

On another occasion I did a 9 day dxm binge where I did roughly 500mgs everyday went to work on it and everything, but I only did doses once in a day for the most part i don't think i would redose until the next day, during the day though not at night. I had to stop though... Dxm when on it like that turns you into a happy goofy child, but irresponsible and unorganized and worst of all time passed you by, that month(it was last august) was just fog in my memory

I still can't beleive how overconfident I became.. never again. but yeah thanks a lot for sharing your experiance

And Ismene can't agree more...

well you wont be doing dxm again for a loooooong time. if you do, you wont feel SHIT cuz of your new dissociative cross tolerance that seems to last fucking ages with dxm.