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Heroin From pills to heroin

Badstones

Badstones

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Ok so I have been on pills for around 5 years now. Started on norco's and now running about 90-180 mg of oxy .. 25-50 and just recently as high as 100 mcg fentanyl patches.. I want to make this short because I feel like shit, and if you guys decide to flame me over this, well I guess I don't blame you being as you don't know me.. anyway.. I can get my hands on some super clean white china heroin, which I have never touched before. Also you should know because it comes from a close friend (I just found out he had this habit after 2 years believe it or not) I can get 2 grams for cheap. (Feel free to edit this and call me an idiot if I am in the wrong throwing out a price) Anyway, I am 1 month away from going to the sub clinic and starting a rapid sub, then kratom taper to quit and I am fucking killed on cash right now.. Seems like the best option for such a short period of time. I guess I am asking for some form of wisdom from those farther down the rabbit (shit) hole then I. Thanks in advance.

-Sunshine.

*Edit (Took price out after learning that was against the rules. Point of it was to show that it could be cheaper then my usual DOC and I feel that is pertinent to this thread.)
 
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Badstones said:
Ok so I have been on pills for around 5 years now. Started on norco's and now running about 90-180 mg of oxy .. 25-50 and just recently as high as 100 mcg fentanyl patches.. .. I can get my hands on some super clean white china heroin, which I have never touched before. Also you should know because it comes from a close friend.......
Anyway, I am 1 month away from going to the sub clinic and starting a rapid sub, then kratom taper to quit and I am fucking killed on cash right now..... Seems like the best option for such a short period of time.
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Wow...definitely against the rules, not sure on your point either, and planning to acquire a china white habit at 2 g/day habit for a month and then go to a sub clinic...WHY would you make yourself acquire the worst, most POTENT opiate available at a ridiculous rate of usage you are LUCKY to make it it one month to actually SURVIVE til the suboxone treatment. Maybe you are just too high right now, because it sounds as if you want the the rest of us at BL to say how jealous we are?

Either way you are headed for the crash and burn of all crash and burns and will be lucky to make it to sub treatment AT ALL after getting into H like that. This is so entirely against the idea of BL that it deserves an award. Fuck bro, grow up.
 
No, I certaintly wouldn't be doing 2 grams a day, I was saying that I could acquire it rather cheap (much cheaper then the amount of pills it would take to keep the WD's at bay) 2 grams would last me.. I don't know how long. I am more or less asking if the money sort of equals out ? As in, if it takes x amount of dollars to keep a person from hitting DT's with pain meds, then does it take less then X with Heroin ? Or the same ? Eventually I am sure it would amount to more in a long term situation. I know it is playing with fire, but then again I would say just about every person on here who has a habit tends to venture on the wild side. So what if it is the most potent opiate ? You think I started using because I liked to sorta/kinda feel good ? Fuck no, I started using because I liked to get fucked up, and frankly I don't give a shit if I get high as hell or barely touch the ceiling, I just want to be able to make it through this month. I expected a response such as this, but not quite this judgmental and presumptuous. Everything I have read on here has always been so open minded, WTF Mate ?

-Sunshine.
 
I am trying to show you that you are making your ultimate destination : "Sub Treatment" an almost impossible month long trip by switching to powdered china white. You are asking for problems saying that is your intended way toward ending opiate abuse. If you think you can jump up to the top of the opiate game right before you get out you are not really ready to get sober. Your path is filled with danger and pain and much more time than a month if powdered heroin is the avenue you choose.

Just trying to give you a rare moment to save your soul...at 6 years of using already? opting for the heroin way out may be a sentence of life to death.
 
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If you are just doing it to keep withdrawals at bay, then I suggest sticking to pills which you will know the exact dosage of.

As for the heroin, if it is actually good, then .1 should be all you need to keep the withdrawals at bay, so a gram should last you 10 days. You do the math, as you are the only one who knows what you pay for each. However, you don't know how good or bad the heroin will be, despite what your friend is saying. I've never heard someone tell a person they are suggesting try the heroin they get that they get average or below average stuff. They always say its good, so you really can't take a persons word for it. I only know one person who is honest with me when bags are shitty, and thats usually not mentioned until after I buy it, unless it comes up in conversation when we are discussing who to cop from, and he says person X has shitty stuff so he wants to cop from person Y, but that's about it.

Overall, I say stick to the pharmies. If you end up getting good H for cheap, then the chances of you actually getting on suboxone will be a lot lower. Right now you are sick so of course you are saying you will get on suboxone in a month. When you have a bit of money and are getting high, then suddenly doing a suboxone taper to get clean isn't as much of a priority.

By the way, "China White" isn't all that common, but it depends on where you are from.
 
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By the way, "China White" isn't all that common, but it depends on where you are from.
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A lot of people just use the term "China White" to mean any white powder heroin, or even sometimes to mean heroin sold by Chinese people. In this case the OP said "white china" so who knows. Is it technically supposed to refer to certain fentanyl analogues? I think the term gets misused a lot (especially by new users, who may have heard the term in the movies etc).

Badstones, how do you know this heroin is high-quality/potency "super clean white china heroin"? Everyone says their dope is amazing when trying to get you to buy it.

Anyway, if your intent is to get off illicit drugs soon, then do not start on heroin. What is your reasoning for wanting to switch to it, just to save money? You might save money in the beginning, but in the long term it's very likely that you would just end up using more and more chasing the high and your addiction will get much worse. And how were you intending to do this heroin: snort, smoke, plug, inject?

I guess I'm pretty much just agreeing with everything Tommyboy said.
 
I understand where you are coming from Badstones. You want to kick, you are broke, you can get good quality dope for way cheaper. Makes perfect addict sense to me. Except what Tommyboy says is correct, once you are high your perspective will change, and I have never seen ANYONE in your position ever pull a short stint on their first go around with heroin. It's too powerful, too euphoric, too easy to get for that. Add to that it's generally the holy grail, plus like all drugs you say you will never do, once you do it you are likely to say fuck it, I've gone and done it, I might as well do it right. If you go to H there will be no Sub taper for you in 30 days, mate, unless you get there by court order. Don't do it.
 
I am surprised no one mentioned the fact that if you do start chasing that H high too much you can sky rocket your tolerance up to the point where subs will not hold you. If you get that bad off you are going to have to choose MMT or cold turkey/taper (yea right :)).

Do not make that jump....lots of others justified the switch due to costs before you had the bright idea to try and I have never spoken to anyone that managed to stick to doing those small ammounts.

You've already proven to yourself that you like opiates too much why make it worse? I know you feel like shit but trust me it does get better with time.
 
Strangely enough this is how I got started. I was spendin crazy money on pills so switched to dope (tar)... Worst mistake ever. Ended up building tolerance spending more $$ and having to go to the methadone clinic, which raised my tolerance higher.. My advice is start weaning down your pill usage while you can. That's the only way to truly save money and still use lol.. I am no expert though obviously.
 
This is a very common story here and on and Erowid. Person can't pay for rx opies anymore, buys heroin to use at the same dosage, likes the heroin high too much, raises dosages until it becomes too expensive, then starts shooting, then is strung out before she knows it.

The problem with heroin is that it's too euphoric at an equianalgesic dosage. Other opiates will kill pain and keep sickness away without inducing euphoria as massive as dope. The game of avoiding opiate addiction is not a fair one to begin with, and starting to use heroin is like shooting yourself in the foot while running away from the opiate addiction beast, which is hard enough to get away from as it without the shot foot.

At least give yourself a fighting chance to get away, don't use dope.
 
Fentanyl is stronger than H anyhow, there is no difference, I've been down every route you have mentioned and they all lead you to the same place: the poor house, jail, dead, or the methadone clinic/ sub doctor. pick your poison... sorry to sound harsh, but it's just the God's honest truth having been there many times.
 
And all the advice about "oh just start weening down" -- that's easy to say from an outsider's perspective, but if that were so easy then this person wouldn't be rationalizing the idea of picking up an dope habit just to lie to themselves and say they'll do it just for "short while" before going to get help. Why not just go get on sub now before taking the last leap there is to take before death? just my advice, but what do i know, I've only got 12 years of this same repetitive behavior under my belt.. don't fool yourself into a dope habit! there's not turning back from that and once you go that route, your oxy's won't work for you anymore if you need a backup plan, thats for damn sure!
 
Don't start heroin, whatever you do. If your going to be going to treatment soon just tough it out till then. It doesn't matter than you can get two grams cheap, cuz once that addiction starts you'll just be buying as much as you can anyways.
 
I don't know much about H at all, in reference to the "White China" or "China White" comment I had made, that is just was my friend called it. I do trust him though, even when it comes to quality of just about any drug. He is one of the few people I know who has managed to keep things recreational, and doesn't let them bleed into his weekdays. I hate people like that, I have only met two and I wish I had the same kinda mentality when it came to the hard shit.

Thanks for the responses, you have answered me well. I was not sure how to word what I was asking, I think deblanc knew exactly what I meant. I decided to order some poppy seeds, 8 lbs, with what money I had left.. Comment box for the seller said they where dirty as dirty can be.. if That is true I might be able to get a couple of days out of that. Oh, and I am not going onto subs now because by god I can't find any if my life depended on it.. Otherwise I would.

Last thing. I use fent often, and I was told/heard that fent was much stronger then H.. That is actually the only reason I considered it. Fent is indeed strong, in the initial phase of using (buccule)(sp?) I can;t tell you how many time I could literally feel the effect on my lungs, no other drug has done that to me. To sum things up I believe if the euphoria is as strong as all of you are letting on (although that peaks my interest) I do think it would be a bad idea to mess around with it. Thanks for the advice all.
 
Everyone says their dope is amazing when trying to get you to buy it.
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Completely aside, but my dealer tells me when the gear is average, and when it's fire. He's a handy guy ;)

To the OP: Don't. Heroin is another ball-game altogether compared to pharms. I started with them, and made the move, and now I'm still fighting the allure of heroin... I'll be free one day, I think.
 
Fent is extremely strong and will also increase your tolerance hugely, but as others noted it's the euphoria with heroin that is the hook. It's good your recognize that as a problem for yourself, and since it peaks your interest ( like everyone before you) take that as a sign and stay the fuck away from it. Nothing good lies ahead for you if you take that step, not a single good thing. You will regret that decision for the rest of your life, and I am not being at all hyperbolic. And messing with Fenton is really dumb. Thats a casket there, Badstones. And one more piece of advice if you will accept it: nobody kicks by buying subs on the street. It takes too long to do it properly and you need a supply that is consistent and an environment that is supportive of recovery. A dealers house is not that environment. You have to truly want o stop using to get clean, and then it is a fight. Otherwise you are taking a break, and when you return your usage will skyrocket well past where you left off in short order. Good luck. Don't use junk.
 
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Fent is extremely strong and will also increase your tolerance hugely, but as others noted it's the euphoria with heroin that is the hook. It's good your recognize that as a problem for yourself, and since it peaks your interest ( like everyone before you) take that as a sign and stay the fuck away from it. Nothing good lies ahead for you if you take that step, not a single good thing. You will regret that decision for the rest of your life, and I am not being at all hyperbolic. And messing with Fenton is really dumb. Thats a casket there, Badstones. And one more piece of advice if you will accept it: nobody kicks by buying subs on the street. It takes too long to do it properly and you need a supply that is consistent and an environment that is supportive of recovery. A dealers house is not that environment. You have to truly want o stop using to get clean, and then it is a fight. Otherwise you are taking a break, and when you return your usage will skyrocket well past where you left off in short order. Good luck. Don't use junk.
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You are absolutely right about buying your subs to kick, I have tried it time and again and that is why I have decided on the clinic.. It was either that or Rapid Detox, and I decided the health risks are pretty great (and out of my control, which is the real issue for me). I am waiting on a settlement to come in, should be with me now in around 15 days at the longest, the money is being sent to of all places my mothers (and the check is in her name) so that I don't binge like I seem to do every year with my tax return. Who woulda thought you could burn 5k in 3-4 days if ya had it, not me. Anyway I want to do the clinical setting suboxone taper, then use kratom when I come off of sub (seen alot of people do it here with minimal WD) and hope that things are not too bad...

Also as far as heroin being so strong it stops the sub from working, well fent has kind of done that already. Last time I used a sub 4 MG killed the muscle spasms and twitches but I was still hot and cold, sweating like there is no tomorrow, and simply fucked in the head.. However after about 3 days on the sub that seemed to subside and things went back to normal again.

As far as Euphoria, that is a problem. I have had 3 years on meth, then switched almost exclusively to cocaine for around 2 years.. Then cleaned up for 2 years, then had a surgery and became hooked on pharms. I have done H one time before, smoked on top of a bowl of cannabis.. I was opiate naive at the time and it only managed to make me sick, and tired.

Lets hope these seeds can carry me huh..
 
Also, as far as the Fentynal is concerned.. I am as careful as a person with my knowledge and abilities can be with the drug.. It is dirt cheap where I am at and last for a long time. I have heard absolute horror stories about the drug, had my dealer shout at me for using it (my usual pill girl I mean). The drug just works great for me though. A lot of people say they achieve very little Euphoria off of it, not me, I sit back and feel it wash over me. It also hits me with a rush, which I hear is uncommon. It's good for me and my purposes, and frankly I would just use it to get by because of the price being so good, but the availability sucks. I can only get it about 10 patches a month. So that solves that ya know. Thank you for the concern, I mean that, but people are going to do what works best for them, no matter what anyone tells them ya know.. At least what they perceive is best for them :-) . Hey, I have 100% concluded on not fucking with the H though, I have you guys to thank for that.
 
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