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Rti-31: Shite.

I actually thought it seemed relatively cheap for something supposedly so incredibly hard to make and with so much invested time and money getting it ready for market as is claimed. Maybe I'm just paying too much for me other RCs though :D

Crack definitely has that local anaesthetic thang going on. Probably why it's so incredibly smooth to smoke. Can take down fucktonnes of smoke in one go with no burn or owt.

Oral and/or plugging would seem to be the next logical move for trying to make use of the stuff then it seems.
 
will give oral a bash tomorrow...have suffered through smoking a few half assed pipes of this and my lungs are still very angry at me....other than that i feel pretty good. but never even gonna attempt smoking this any more, fels like my lungs have caved in :( feels like theyre slowly recovering now though!
 
I don't normally pop in EADD, but from my POV, any of these beta-carboxymethyl tropanes basically require cocaine for synthesis. No ghetto RC vendor is going to risk that kind of heat trying to acquire kilos of pure cocaine & then risk destroying it to make another stimulant out of it for open sale.

Several things about this compound just don't add up. If it's more potent (64x or so in in-vitro assays) and more fat soluble than cocaine, & has the benzoyl ester link removed (one of the major weak spots on cocaine), why does it appear to be 10-100x less potent than cocaine HCl? Just something to ask yourselves.

So at least in my eyes, everyone who is buying this supposed RTI-xx is being a guinea pig for unknown Chinese vendors. Until I can see a clean NMR or something of the like, done by someone who isn't the vendor themselves (no Mandarin on the printout), then I will be satisfied. (I bet it's a cathinone)
 
Yeah it depends on dosages really... The main thing is that the price probably won't drop on bigger bits very much or over the long term, so we won't be seeing £1 a g situations, which is good I guess. Does anyone know what form the chemical has come in? HCL or freebase?
 
it seems like freebase as it melts very easily on foil and gives a tonne of smoke out...wouldnt have guessed it by the way it looks though
 
sekio said:
RTI-31 is supposed to be a tartrate salt. Also, I would expect it's melting point to be 220-300 deg C.
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Will that have an effect on whether or not it can be used nasally? 6-apb is also a tartrate isn't it? And that stuff is horrible and rather ineffective to sniff. Why does it have to be a tartrate?
 
Some sort of response from the vendor that is selling the compound has been posted on another forum via the admin on there.....

Basically theyre now saying take no notice of the wiki info, yet it is them who point u in that direction ! For me that says it all...

Still, i am prepared to try vaping a small amount today to see if i get the desired results... Interestingly, theyre admanant that it is rti like claimed, although again, theyre now saying that its a blend of active and inactive isomers of it..... ( to throw out the potency theory)

Ultimately it needs testing...


Seejay
 
I guess this is from the UK's famous 5 type group. It might not be the actual chemical they are selling (like it's been suggested). I read on drugs forum of a guy who had seemingly about 10-20mg nasal and started feeling it after over an hour - said he was quite uplifted but generally disappointed. Quite a shame. I've got 250mg on it's way to me. The past 6 months I've had an entity speaking away to me which obviously is the "god-thing" in our existence matrix... it has been disallowing drug experiments (biological/alchemical override) as a part of a shamanic illness regime. So it will probably just be a big "trickster" like usual and not let me sample it properly like it's done with etaqualone 2ci-nbome 4mec and pentedrone and 2cb unfortunately.

Maybe report back with what kind of influence I receive alongst with the snorting :)
 
sekio said:
So at least in my eyes, everyone who is buying this supposed RTI-xx is being a guinea pig for unknown Chinese vendors. Until I can see a clean NMR or something of the like, done by someone who isn't the vendor themselves (no Mandarin on the printout), then I will be satisfied. (I bet it's a cathinone)
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More like a guinea pig for some random stim that definitely isn't RTI-31. You're entire post just summed up what's going on here, don't understand why people are even considering buying this stuff, you're getting stroked!

For those that have bought it and have realize that they've been dealt with some shitty stim and loss of money. Might be worth putting your money towards something useful and having it sent off for testing. Would be nice to find out what you are really taking, don't understand why people are even daring to smoke this shite.
 
I reckon so many people get fucked over, with getting sent the wrong shit. If the stuff was tested, then the sites would have to refund people and, eventually, actually sell the chemicals listed. Any site sending out shit should be put on a blacklist/reported, so people know not to use them. Cunts of the very highest order.
 
Definitely, have to be careful with the amount of RCs there are these days. But I would say that the chance of this chemical, when sold by vendors, actually being that chemical is a lovely 0% and I'm struggling to understand why those who bought it thought it could have been. If anybody else has money like this to kindly throw away in the future I'm happy to accept donations. <3
 
It seems fairly obvious that initial suspicions about the unlikely nature of this one have panned out as expected as usual. Which rather suggests that whatever it actually turns out to be is inevitibly gonna be summat they could never shift if they admitted to what it really is. Have known a few vendors do similar to try to shift stock that they can't get rid of - just give whatever crap they can't shift a new name and watch it fly off the shelves. Is a pretty disgusting practice but I'm sure the profit margins will help 'em get over the shame and guilt :\

Or maybe they really did have a crack (:D) at making the intended chem, failed and decided to get their money back and hope nobody notices. Which is still pretty shitty behaviour.
 
Shambles said:
It seems fairly obvious that initial suspicions about the unlikely nature of this one have panned out as expected as usual. Which rather suggests that whatever it actually turns out to be is inevitibly gonna be summat they could never shift if they admitted to what it really is. Have known a few vendors do similar to try to shift stock that they can't get rid of - just give whatever crap they can't shift a new name and watch it fly off the shelves. Is a pretty disgusting practice but I'm sure the profit margins will help 'em get over the shame and guilt :\

Or maybe they really did have a crack (:D) at making the intended chem, failed and decided to get their money back and hope nobody notices. Which is still pretty shitty behaviour.
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Like the rumours of leftover phenazepam being sold as Etiz.

Hopefully a GOOD stimulant RC'll be bashed out again, soon.
 
lastest said:
^ In truth nobody really knows what goes on in these grey market businesses. Their only motivation is profit, and they operate on the fringes of the law, deliberately misrepresenting the purpose of their products. Us rc enthusiasts are glad they exist, but I don't think many of us unreservedly trust the faceless people behind these websites.

How much would it cost to get Shamone's rti-31 tested? I'd chip in money, if other people would. If a bunch of bluelighters all chipped in a little every time a new substance popped up in the usual places (which isn't all that often), we could test everything and end all the speculation. That way nobody would have to test an unknown chemical on themselves, which does nothing to identify the substance anyway. If the chemical isn't as advertised then we can say so with authority. If it is then we have a definite idea of its subjective effects to judge other batches by.
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$120 and you're sorted :)

http://www.ecstasydata.org/send_sample.php
 
lastest said:
^ It would be an independent analysis, not one provided by the vendor selling the product.
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Yeah but it still doesn't help or anything. If they are selling shit that doesn't work we already know they're not reputable without wasting any more money to prove it!
 
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