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Opioids Can i taper vicodin with cocaine

Using cocaine when trying to get off opioids often makes people feel much worse as soon as the cocaine wears off. And you can't use a drug with completely different effects to taper off another drug.
 
Swimmingdancer said:
Using cocaine when trying to get off opioids often makes people feel much worse as soon as the cocaine wears off. And you can't use a drug with completely different effects to taper off another drug.
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This is your answer. Stimulants are notorious for making people going through opiate withdrawal feel worse as they are already experiencing anxiety and over-stimulation. The cocaine would not be effective as a 'pick-me-up' but rather just increase insomnia and general feelings of unease.
 
I've had mixed results with using stimulants during W/D, sometimes it sounds like pure agony, sometimes it provides a pleasant distraction.

It all depends on which opiate, which stage of W/D, what you've been doing to lessen withdrawal symptoms, etc.

I have found dextromethamphetamine to be invaluable for getting through cold turkey detox of many opioids, although this is highly subjective and can understand why most people do not respond well to uppers during opiate withdrawal.

I've used d-MA with varying levels of success while detoxing off either regular, high dose hydro/oxycodone, morphine, hydromorphone, etc.

Does not help AT ALL when WDing from methadone, buprenorphine, oxymorphone, fentanyl, etc.

I am not condoning the use of amphetamines for opiate withdrawal, I just wanted to share my own, perhaps paradoxical experiences with this matter.
 
^ This makes a lot of sense. Even though CNS stimulants don't help the endorphin deficiency/elevated mu-opioid receptor part of opioid withdrawal, they indirectly help through increasing synaptic levels of dopamine, a major part of opioid withdrawal. Opioids might not affect DA directly, but they certainly do so through a strange indirect mechanism, in a very big way.

I've found myself getting through low dosage (3g/day) Kratom withdrawal easily with Ephedrine (a substituted amp and structural methamp analog), which is basically the same idea as your story, as the added PNS stimulation from Ephedrine helps the PNS stimulation withdrawal (PNS Norepinephrine deficiency) from the physical dependence on yohimbine-like alkaloids from the Kratom.

Also, in your case, the serotonin release from D-MA might help quell anxiety and overstimulation from the NE surge stemming from opioid withdrawal.
 
I've heard some terrible ideas when it comes to tapering from one drug using another, but this is probably the worst. Come on, really? For a 10mg a day hydrocodone addiction just cold turkey it, and maybe take some benzos. It really shouldn't be that bad at all.

Anyway, as mentioned already, any stimulant(especially cocaine I would think)will all together make you feel worse. They cause hypersensitivity, magnifying all the negative/painful sensations that come with opioid w/d.
 
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donoharm said:
Sorry but, are you fucking retarded? How would that make any sense at all whatsoever? I very much hope you do not try to substitute coke thinking it will help you out much, especially since you may develop a dependency on the cocaine after this period is over. On another note, the cocaine / other stimulants may lower your seizure threshold, which could put you in danger depending on your withdrawal symptoms.
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His idea is clearly an 'stupid' one if you want to put it in those terms, but do you really have to ask him if he is a 'fucking retard'?

You post had a lot of good points other wise.
 
well i am an obvious addict.. i take about 6 norcos a day, but could survive on 1 a day.. however when they are in my possession i of course chase the high. i just figured maybe use coke for a couple days and it would be easier to drop, thanks for making me sound like an idiot as i am just trying to do what it takes to drop my addiction. can someone please maybe explain benzos or also a SHORT use of suboxone, i know that its very easy to get hooked on it, and w/d are much worse, but you think i could use some subs for a week and be done finally? your comments are of course welcomed with open arms (even if i am a fucking idiot) :)))
 
vikenRedbull said:
well i am an obvious addict.. i take about 6 norcos a day, but could survive on 1 a day.. however when they are in my possession i of course chase the high. i just figured maybe use coke for a couple days and it would be easier to drop, thanks for making me sound like an idiot as i am just trying to do what it takes to drop my addiction. can someone please maybe explain benzos or also a SHORT use of suboxone, i know that its very easy to get hooked on it, and w/d are much worse, but you think i could use some subs for a week and be done finally? your comments are of course welcomed with open arms (even if i am a fucking idiot) :)))
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ive heard about using crystal for wd's but never coke i think it would wear of much to quickly to be of any help. do you realy have a 6 norco a day "habit"?
do you actualy have any physical symptoms, sorry but your dose just seems realy low
 
^ 60mg hydrocodone a day is definitely a noticeable physical dependence, certainly enough to cause WD. Everyone has their own subjective worsts; if Viken has never felt opiate withdrawal worse than 60mg/day, then that's a bad opiate withdrawal to him.

Stay away from those subs, bro, those should only be used with people with big habits. Getting hooked on that is a lot worse than the amount of Norcos you're taking now. All you need with a habit like yours is to exercise vigorously for a few days, eat healthy food, and keep yourself occupied. I equate the amount of endorphins (enodogenous opioids) released from a solid weight lifting and cardio session to be exactly as strong as the hydro from a 10mg Norco, actually.
 
OK great, i appreciate it, u know how i just wanted to go painfree and was thinking about getting a pill of sub for $15 today, but i think ill pass and try to muscle thru it. maybe i can work on tapering again i recently bought 5's rather than the 10s, so ill take a couple of those with a penetrator to get my daily dose around the 30 mg mark no sweat, and then 20 and i would still be feeling fine
 
I'm actually not sure if your serious or trolling us.

If you ARE serious than no. Replacing one addiction for another is pretty dumb. Besides cocain doesnt attach to opiate receptors that hydrocodone or any opiate does. It's like asking if you can quit smoking by drinking more. One isnt really connected to the other in anyway shape or form. Atleast physically.
 
Lol...

And if you are serious. Like everyone said. Don't go on a maintence program. Hydrocodone 60mg is equal to taking 12mg of oxy a day. Just suck it up. You'll thank us later ;)
 
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