Opioids The 3-MF safety debate thread

[tyler5]

My bloodflow is pretty good, dont get the clammy hands/feet that some people do on occasion and some people, well, i know a guy since i was in the 1st grade that had the clammiest hands ive ever touched even now. they looked red with a white tint and were like wet to me when observing shit like that in the 1st grade.
i imagine this guy has no veins whatsoever that he is available to see, maybe after 5 hours in teh hottest water, maybe then. anyway, enough about random shit.

my veins are bad as well. ive never been into sports, havent been very active with my hands (or legs, for that matter) either lately. usual office rat i guess except im not fat, too skinny actually. i dont have bad bloodflow, all parts of my body feel warm and equal. but when it comes to veins - my hands are completely empty.
havent tried any other body parts, except hands, the other parts of my palms (veins between where the fingers end and where the hand starts basically, like a little bit more upper than where a watch would be usually worn. its the best spot for my man to hit me and i enjoy it the most as well as it doesnt hurt at all even with a 22G needle (yes, ive been IV'ing with a 22G all this time. FINALLY, some 29G's landed in one of the pharmacy's. yay! the first time the .29G slid in, i basically didnt even feel it in my hand searching for a vein. it took like 10 tries (its the usual amount) and lots and lots of fist bumping but my friend finally found one on my 'between the fingers and just below where a wristwatch usually is. sometimes, of course, the main vein from where in the case of hospital, nurses take the blood etc, is a jackpot and shows itself for long enough to register and hit it.
if i have my friend to IV and another friend to hold my hand strongly to stop the bloodflow (like someone alone would use a belt or something. well, i use my friends two hands
i just stretch my fingers and hands in and out, in and out, while moving the same hand up and down as fast as i can while also stretching the fingers as fast as i can. that seems to get the veins out eventually but often it takes many tries and after 5-6 missed shots with each missed shot leaving about 5-7 little marks (or am i just paranoid?) it gets a little sad. i hate my veins.
i would like to have been a bballer during my teens or something, maybe something else that includes hands ... golf, tennis, i dunno...

 

[Pagey]

Not sure what your question is here, but if it's indeed is it normal to need someone else to inject then I'd say that I think at first a lot of people have trouble doing it themselves. It just comes down to practice I suppose. I'm sort of confused though, have you never tried injecting into your forearm (elbow area)?! That's the safest place and it's pretty easy to do, too...most people's veins show up quite well there.

 

[tyler5]

no, its not that kind of a question.
i need someone because i can not find my veins. i havent actually tried all alone with a belt or something but when my friend shoots me up he has me pump my hand (the part with fingers). other times when he is trying to hit a vein higher on my hand, he tells me to do pump ups with that hand for a chance he gets a chance to see an actual vein somewhere. as he holds my hand a little below the shoulder he holds it strong enough to stop any blood flow, while i fist pump like a maniac, still no veins, only shit that almost LOOKS promising but after some poking, no luck. but luckily i dont have to spend over 15 minutes trying to find a vein ever (so far. well, actually, I have NEVER found a vein, always my friend). sometimes the shot is quite painful 22G needles play a part im sure but then again there are shots and places where even a 29g insulin needle is a little painful. nothing major of course. just like, 29g needles are so smooth that when you slide it in right you dont even notice it, its that smooth. if only there was a vein right there to empty that 29g needle. but no.
all kinds of vein manipulation like one person holding the hand with all his strength starting from a little under the shoulder. i dunno whats the point but i think its so when i pump my hand, the vein should become available to see if the blood wont go all the way up to the shoulder and elsewhere. anyways, most of the times it works and all i have to do is be a total newb and ask 3x in 3secs 'is it in, in the vein, is it in? oh its in?'. ooh yeah i see, ooh nice. oh, you missed a bit there, i see some dope right underneath the skin. how does that happen? is that like skin popping or whatever?
is it dangerous?
how often and how dangerous is it to hit the wall of a vein?
how about arteries, and where are the arteries i should watch out for when i use my arms

 

[SM0K3Y]

You definitely need to use a belt or a "Tie-Off" - this will help the veins protrude. Try it next time you will see a WORLD of difference.

Dope under your skin isn't really dangerous per say, it dissolves very slowly, you'll rarely feel any of it. It is somewhat like skin popping yes, but not deep into the muscle like skin popping is. You do have the problem where those needles (if not clean) can create an abscess under the skin that has to be cut open in a hospital.

I use 20 & 19 gauge so yea it might have a pinch, but it's not that bad of a hurt. I always feel like 29g might break off they look so thin...

Also can't answer for the arteries question, I dont shoot enough to care honestly.

 

[DooMMooD]

Have you tried lifting some weights beforehand to get a vein showing? Do some bicep and forearm curls,, and maybe extensions too (If youre built like me, its basically necessary to NOT be a string bean hah). That should work a lot better than your 'fist pumping', if im understanding that correctly: you doing it to encourage veins instead of lifting a bit.

Edit: wow ok so Im re reading and now im getting that you're shooting in your wrist because thats where you have to? Please dont do that man do some curls to get your veins popping, if you work out infrequently (which I am getting from what you wrote) you should DEF get some veins popping, especially if you dont stretch beforehand. Please dont shoot into your wrist man, youre gonna either lose a hand physically and they have to remove it, or lose use of it if you nick a nerve. Your wrist is a cluster of nerves, blood vessels/capillaries/veins/arteries (an important one too) and tiny bones. Thinking about shooting up into it is honestly making me cringe lol, I realize a lot of people have done it but just the thought to me esp compared to like ANYWHERE else (save yoru neck).

 

[tyler5]

but i already have a "tie-off" - my friends. one who takes care of IV'ing and one who makes sure to hold my hand in a lock while i pump my hand as often and as strongly as i can. then, as soon as a vein comes out, the friend with the needle shifts it in and try's to go straight for the vein. often, it doesnt work. sometimes, it does.

 

[tyler5]

the people that are helping me are both IV veterans and have shot themselves up for years as well others.
thats not to say most of the tricks they use might be totally wrong and even straight up dangerous but i wouldnt have a clue so thats why i made this thread to let you all know how my veins get found eventually and if there are other people on bluelight who are having trouble registering. i mean, lately, dude pushes the needle in and just starts poking, im like wtf, are you gonna hit a vein? though it seems to be that aint going to happen no way no how he still pokes around a bit before pulling it out and starting to find some other place where there might be a vein popping up for a few secs. thats all we need

 

[Captain.Heroin]

When I first started injecting I needed the help of someone else.

Now I can do it all on my own, and I wouldn't advise you get to that point. It's a lot harder to quit injection drug use if you yourself are proficient at injecting drugs by yourself.

 

[SM0K3Y]

but i already have a "tie-off" - my friends. one who takes care of IV'ing and one who makes sure to hold my hand in a lock while i pump my hand as often and as strongly as i can. then, as soon as a vein comes out, the friend with the needle shifts it in and try's to go straight for the vein. often, it doesnt work. sometimes, it does.

What I mean by a tie off, is use something to tie the top of your arm with. Tie it tight almost like you were trying to cut all blood off from your arm. It will make the veins come out better. You said in the other post you never used a belt or anything. And your friend holding your arm doesn't count. You have to physically use a belt or some kind of power cord and tie the top of your arm right above your bicep but below your shoulder. You (and your friends) will be able to see a noticeable difference.

 

[tyler5]

What I mean by a tie off, is use something to tie the top of your arm with. Tie it tight almost like you were trying to cut all blood off from your arm. It will make the veins come out better. You said in the other post you never used a belt or anything. And your friend holding your arm doesn't count. You have to physically use a belt or some kind of power cord and tie the top of your arm right above your bicep but below your shoulder. You (and your friends) will be able to see a noticeable difference.

I'm SO sorry for getting carried away and not using paragraphs or anything - AGAIN - and this time some i think some very fucking weird words which dont probably exist in the english(and american,i think) language. i still hope you can take a quick look at my post and give me advice on how to DO IT BETTER,MEANING, HOW TO MAKE MY VEINS APPEAR MORE AGGRESIVELY? hope you guys can let me know something about it.

or, for instance, for all the IDU's out there. how are your veins? how often/what do you IV?
how much and how often do you do physical exercise in a week? how long do you sleep in a regular night? is there any one of You out there that HAD probs with veins but can use them ok now? if so, how? how did you do it??


the rest of you - the fact that ive got shitty veins, it was one of the first things the dealer told me when he first met me when i first met him for buying a bundle for smoking. (i was smoking exclusively then). it was hot so i had a t-shirt and he took a look at my hands and said 'oh man, you would be pretty impossible to IV. all the veins you have are hiding. none are out. do some hand exercise and lets try again if you should ever want although im never recommending it.


well, my friend is pretty strong so his two arms holding(folding would be the correct word :D) my one arm, has so far always eventually resulted in from one to 4 1/2 of fentanyl checks (bags/gear/whatever) being shot into my arm by the other person whose job was not to hold the hand very strongly and block the bloodflow instead of going to search for a belt or something. tbh, i dont have ANY idea what kind of a thing do the junkies use, the real ones, i mean, not in the movies where the heroin junkie ALWAYS has a belt over one of his arm all throughout the movie and he doesnt even mention or shoot any dope with it.
i guess, why go looking for a power cord or some belt when i can just ask the help of one of my friends. he will hold my hand like hes hands were a belt plus i keep on moving my hand vigorously all the time up and down and moving my fingers and wrist vigorously also with the idea that then there should be veins popping up in the lower half of my arm (right beneath my fingers but just above the wrist). thats one place. another is pretty much my whole inner arms esp. the main vein right on the other side of the elbow. after working these sites for max of 5-7 times theres eventually been success although i dont really know how good these IV's went as i know NOTHING about them and when he says oh some of it went past the vein this time, like very little, probably half a check. but you never know, it mightve been three and a half checks accidentally skin popped or whatever.
one thing that irritates me a bit about my veteran IV friend who helps me with the IV'ing is that he is quite high strung (does NOT use narcotics, not even nicotine, caffeine perhaps) and will get into a mini panic if after 4-5 times of poking around the needle doesnt hit the vein.
well, atleast we have the 29g real IV rigs now. out here EVERYBODY uses them, fentanyl, speed (euro amphetamine powder, usually pretty strong cause its made in insane quantities in russia and to a much lesser extent in Estonia. from Estonia it all goes to Finland, rest of it remains for domestic use. I IV'd some speed last night without knowing it. One of my friends thought he would be "hilarious" and mix my 4 check shot of fentanyl with some amphetamine. dunno how much exactly, not much. anyway, they do the hand raping on me, find a vein and i feel this rush. then another one. resembles a good mdma moment when youre dancingor something. DEFINITELY NOT fentanyl, NO nod, NO sleepiness, all 100% wakefulness.
but since there was 4 bags of fent in there it wasnt all bad. i was basically nicely high but kind of annoying at the same time talking shit all the time and changing tv shows to watch etc.
speed is very cheap over here, a gram of speed could be had for like 2 bags of ecp in newark.
this is usually good quality speed, ready for sniffing or IVing. like ive mentioned, russians IV, estonians sniff. it basically comes down to most of the estonians unwillingness to try new things, live an extremely prejudiced life against some things while being very progressive regarding others but yeah thats how it is. needle and the user is looked down upon by any Estonian. it means the person is a slave, he cant be trusted, he is always high etc.
real facts are: estonians do speed in the school EVERY day. most of the technicums (this is a cool where you can go after you finish secondary school but dont want to go to the gymnasium where you will go if you want to pursue an exceptionally high education). btw, most of the education here is free and all of it is 100% accepted by EU and US. there are scores of young people leaving for U.K., Australia, U.S., Spain, Persian Gulf and other areas of the world.
just one day while my father was driving (me to the methadone clinic:D) i read about a 17 year old kid who also has his sights on M.I.T. 100% and its 99% sure he will be getting in.
its just that hes grades are so high and he is very flawless on all tests and performs well under pressure. but most of the young people from Estonia are not leaving here for a good job.
no. most are leaving just because its so depressing here and they think the grass is greener on the other job. then after doing that farmwork in australia in 40c humid heat and sun that is so close its fucking scary at times, you get enough money to drive to town once a week and buy a few things you really need. food and everything else is provided by the farm owners.
but as a rule, australians seem to look on immigrants as kind of slaves. esp young backpackers who are from a poorer part of the earth. same thing with babysitters in england. young estonian girls with an absolutely flawless history (a geek, you might say) gets driven to a flat where he is introduced to two of england's upper-middle class. and their little child. whatever the name. the estonian girls job is to take care of the girl, be the live-in mother.
a week, at first, as a test period. then a month and after everything is cool we can make this a lengthier thing

 

[Swimmingdancer]

I didn't manage to read all of your last post, but if someone else can find your vein you can do it to, you just need to learn how and practice. Personally I don't think someone should be injecting if they don't know how to do it themselves and I would never trust someone else to do it for me. They can't feel what you can as far as if something hurts, feels "wrong", etc. You should be able to learn how to find a vein by the way it feels, even if you can't see it.

My basic tips:
1. Take a hot shower beforehand and/or get some exercise (even just doing a few jumping jacks) and make sure you are in a warm well-lit room.
2. Get a medical tourniquet, the kind that look like a flat strip of rubber are best in my experience.
3. Start with the veins in the crook of your elbow (meaning the inside of your arm). Look at a vein map to see where the biggest ones will be and avoid the places where 2 veins join. Your best vein should be approximately 1/3 of the way in from the left if you are looking down at your left arm and have the palm of the hand facing upward. You should be able to feel it under the skin. A lab tech told me not to pump my first, just very lightly clench it.
4. Read everything you can about proper injection technique.
5. When inserting the needle, once it has pierced the skin draw up on the plunger a little right away, then as you move the needle into place as soon as you are in the vein it will register and blood will enter the syringe. As soon as that happens don't move the needle, and lightly register again to make sure it's still in the vein. You may have to initially move the needle around a little bit in order to get it to hit the vein, if you have small difficult to find veins it's not just one stab then give up.
6. Keep well hydrated, try eating and drinking something before you try to shoot up if you haven't in a long time.

 

[Swimmingdancer]

What I mean by a tie off, is use something to tie the top of your arm with. Tie it tight almost like you were trying to cut all blood off from your arm.

I wouldn't tie it that tight! If your arm starts to go numb or fall asleep it's too tight. It's best to remove the tourniquet as soon as you have hit the vein before injecting, but you'll want to register again before injecting just to make sure it didn't slip out of the vein while you were untying your tourniquet. The less safe but often much easier option is to leave the tourniquet on, very very gently and slowly inject, then immediately untie the tourniquet. Either way you should learn to tie the tourniquet in a way where you only have to pull on one end to get it to untie.

 

[tricomb]

What is the HR value of this thread? If you can't properly inject yourself, I would say it's proper HR not to IV at all, not find a friend to help you with intravenous drug abuse.

 

[Swimmingdancer]

What is the HR value of this thread? If you can't properly inject yourself, I would say it's proper HR not to IV at all, not find a friend to help you with intravenous drug abuse.

I think the HR value is in teaching him how to safe(r)ly and properly inject himself. But I agree that if you can't inject yourself you shouldn't inject and it's also of HR value to give him that advice. We can also encourage him to find another ROA.

 

[tricomb]

We have many other threads on proper injection technique, the water hierarchy , etc. I have tried to get him to use another ROA yet he insists on IV 3-MF and takes 4-6mg xanax too. None of this is HR.

 

[tyler5]

hello fellow BLers and forum users without an offical BLer status yet,

i would like to hear techniques and information what do You use to help You FIND your veins.
IV'ing is absolutely no problem, finding the vein - is. so the first thing im trying when im going to be IV'ing is soaking my hands in very hot water. keep the suggestions coming. the

i will not IV myself for the sole reason of not wanting to become it that sort of a regular thing that 'anybody can do it, even myself'.

right now i trust this one guy who is always completely sober and seems to know his way round needles since his a junkie thats been clean since 2005. sells the shit every day though so dude is around his DOC 24/7/365. day after day after day after day. his MOD was IV, ofc.
so thinking about it now, it has to sometimes be quite a bit hard/bittersweet/memoryfilled feeling to have 15grams of fent in front of you and just 7 years ago he would have taken these 15grams and made a run for the border (to Russia, since he knows the language like a regular russian although in reality he's ethnic Estonian with a usual old-style Estonian name) to fix me up when im asking him to stick me sometimes 2-3 times a week. there are a couple of big sandpits close to the town where the local 'wizeguyz' like to get stuck in sand in their bmw x5's and dump bodies of junkies who thought they too could be a dealer. so he asked for a 20g front.
people told him numerous times, do not it, it wont be good for you. the same people who he was begging the dope up front from in order to start selling himself. but since the higher person knew the one asking for a front was a junkie there was nothing but another murder in foresight. he tried to make it clear that times are tough and every last penny must be paid back ON TIME exactly on the clock. now, the guys only opinion is to OD in some slum apartment because at least its better than to receive awful beatings and eventually get a bullet in the head because he will never get the money for 10g's he got fronted.
one gram gets 28 nice checks/stamps/bags, 30 not bad either, 32 per 1g is most popular among 'street dealers' which is a term for someone who's job is to meet someone the whole day so that person 99% has a car (and therefore, addicts luck in that at least when the are WD'ing and waiting for the man while he is stuck in any one of Russia's cities AWFUL traffic jams, with Moscow being in a league of its own with even 44 per 1g cause the fucking street dealers (actually there are no street dealers here, absolutely no open air ever or anything like that, everything's VERY hush hush, russians are very secretive people in general until You gain their trust (have to earn it, either way). so you can imagine the size of the checks varies a bit as well on the streets across the city, actually i dont think anyone can get away with 40 stamps/1g anymore, thats just too small and the baby powder or smthng the geniuses use doesnt really help in the high department, just verifies theres a shitload of cut in the pack. lol, not something strange though, normal packs are 1-2% 3-mf and rest is some harmless filler. at least the people responsible for the 3-mf, chechens, ofcourse thats not to say that the old 50-70yr old chemists working with them are of chechen descent but in general, the group is lead from Chechen is very protective of its drugs, its turf and they are very proud of their old historic land where theyve lived for centuries in the North Caucasus.

if you want to talk about "groups" or gangs, in eng, then the st. petersburg fentanyl thing is controlled by the chechen "bratva" meaning brother in english. usual ethnic criminal gang specializing in drug transport. they have drugs going to the most remote above arctic circle/north circle towns/villages across Russia.

Irkutsk was the one place that got the especially hard hit. THE hardest, tbh. infected with the HIV virus due to sharing needles and unprotected sex is a big part of russian rural reality for the youth and their children, the childrens parents (grandparents to young parents) and the man who Galina knew for a time and i like how he feels fre is, esp. in old "purpose-built towns" where for instance, the whole economy consisted of large factories, electro stations, diesel power generators and places where they were powered, in conclusion, lots of industrial goodies were left over to rot what you going to do,doesnt take long for a russian car in a russian climate giving work to thousands of workers (builders, all the people transporting the goods of for the new city, architects, many future city politicians. they were all exited to be post to the highest post of their job as possible. depending on the town and the poverty, the guards are 30% corrupt in an extremely hard prison and 99.9% corrupt in a laid back prison meant for persons in chail for fighting usually two typical russian men decided to let their fists talk over how much their love for the same woman is. next day the men are usually cool each other although sometimes ofcourse the one who finds out he's been dumped and happened to get beaten as well, its not at all good for your name. things like these stick with a person very hard.
the MOST NOZY people ive so far EVER SEEN ON TEH EARTH are ethnic Russian-Ukrainian old ladies aged between 55-85 called babushkas. they are the ones standing near a window just at the right time to write down the number of the car the thiefs used to steal another cars 19" rims in front of our house. since these people are living a pretty nice life they gave the Russia women quite a gift, a nice sum of money in euros. dont know what shes planning to buy but first thing she put it in a bank, for sure. infact, i believe they met in front of a bank. reason being, babushkas (and anyone old enough to have between born in '89 the latest) are afraid of young bandits who rob babushkas in elevators when theres only him and her in it and the thief pushed 17th floor which takes little more than minute to get to. these are 99.5% drug addicts desperate for a fix who would in reality never heart a woman or an older women (russians are btw pretty religious, if you are in tallinn and want to know whether this or that care there is being driven by an Estonian or Estonian-Russian (one's who seak russian but also estonian, sometimes very proficiently, usually good. estonian is by far harder to learn of the two languages(named hard labor so in russia the judge says "i, name blabla, sentence you, Juri Jegorovsky to 25 years hard time for the murder for a 14 year old boy. in a so, overnight, new towns were bult into Siberia, sometime into places where it really seems no one in their right mind would basically NEVER want to live. (i mean not even ANY full day).Its a large city in Siberia, close to Lake Baikal (the only famous thing "close" to it). well, siberia itself, also. but



siberia is there and is everywhere
the reward for enduring the week long train ride in a Soviet train (whenever You have to get an overnight train in Russia anywhere, ALWAYS take the coupe which means its just you or you and one other person that is with you. and nobody else. the stench and lack of air in the 'public' above who pack it have enough authority that nobody dares to re-fuck with their packed and
i have this one guy i trust who's been in the game for a while (clean now for 7 years but sells the shit every day) and i trust him to do the work for me. so far its gone just fine. he laughs about shit like using an alcohol swipe for the place youre gonna stick the needle to (and actually theres not even enough time, my veins are so shitty they pop up for seconds then fade right away). we do filter the fentanyl, with regular cotton although have also IV'd without doing so and since this shit is literally made for injecting (i'dsay 1-2% of all fentanyl users smoke it, 98-99% IV it), theyve cut it with something that doesnt seem particularly bad to the veins meaning nothing wrong that ive felt or any discoloring ive seen or anything else wrong that might have to do with not filtering or not being hygienic enough.


can someone explain to stupid ol' me, why do some people recommend using a brand new needle EVERY time you try to find a vein and miss?
i mean that would be EXTREME wasting of needles, wouldnt it? what is the reasoning behind this? lets say you have extremely crappy veins from BTH IVing and have a box of 100. well, if you wanna do 5 shots and each time due to crappy veins + the crappiest heroin on the veins (black tar) you must eventually "search around" for 20 times each time to find that one and only (a vein that you can see and use successfully)


also, what about using the same rig again? i mean your own rig ofc, one you've used before once for instance and theres only your own blood on it and in it from the last shot so wash that rig with tap water thoroughly first,of course is it beause the needle is already a bit "used", meaning its not as sharp? or is there some hygien reason to only use each rig once, no matter what the outcome.

please let the replys come, my friends i know my posts are long and usually long equals boring and im not tooting my own horn and saying that my post is NOT boring but if You want to read a little about drugs in Estonia/Scandinavia/Russia and the people (EST vs RUS) of this country ESTONIA, capital TALLINN (pop ~500k), metro (~650-700k)

 

[Swimmingdancer]

We have many other threads on proper injection technique, the water hierarchy , etc. I have tried to get him to use another ROA yet he insists on IV 3-MF and takes 4-6mg xanax too. None of this is HR.

Ah, I see, you were thinking of it in context with his posting history. I didn't realize who he was at first. He doesn't seem to want to actually listen to any of our answers or advice.

 

[Swimmingdancer]

can someone explain to stupid ol' me, why do some people recommend using a brand new needle EVERY time you try to find a vein and miss?
i mean that would be EXTREME wasting of needles, wouldnt it? what is the reasoning behind this? lets say you have extremely crappy veins from BTH IVing and have a box of 100. well, if you wanna do 5 shots and each time due to crappy veins + the crappiest heroin on the veins (black tar) you must eventually "search around" for 20 times each time to find that one and only (a vein that you can see and use successfully)


also, what about using the same rig again? i mean your own rig ofc, one you've used before once for instance and theres only your own blood on it and in it from the last shot so wash that rig with tap water thoroughly first,of course is it beause the needle is already a bit "used", meaning its not as sharp? or is there some hygien reason to only use each rig once no matter what the outcome.

You should already know this and there are plenty of threads about injection safety. Don't use rigs multiple times, the needles get dull very rapidly and destroy your veins. Also if you are using a rig you used, say, the previous day, that's not a good idea because bacteria can grow in it. And you shouldn't need to do 5 shots each time because of crappy veins, that's probably why your veins are so crappy. If you have a high tolerance then just put more in a single shot (of course be careful not to put in too much).

 

[Captain.Heroin]

If your veins are that bad, I would stop IVing.

 

[DooMMooD]

Lol everyones giving you advice not only on how to do it correctly but how to save your life and you're not hearing anyyyyyy of it.

Heres a breakdown of this thread and pretty much advice given to you in general:

-suggestions made on how to survive
stop IV'ing heroin. Ignored completely.

-suggestion on how to keep use of his hand for life
stop shooting up into his wrist. Ignored completely b/c hes such an IV pro.

-suggestion on how to get VEINS to show better so that he can shoot up easier by: 1) using a tie off and 2) lifting some weights
Ignored completely. 1) argues that its just as good to have a "friend squeeze really hard" compared to a tie off, AND 2) that he does not need to lift weights for whatever reason to get his veins to show, despite having never tried it AND not having any veins showing.

-suggestion on not reusing needles
Argues point. thinks its a pointless waste of $ to not use a needle more than once if you miss, and probably uses needles more than once whether its a missed shot or not

-suggestion that maybe a bunch of junkies have been shooting up the wrong way for their life and maybe theres better ways to do it
Ignored completely. Thinks that just because they've been shooting up for years means they've been doing it correctly, not realizing that many people IV incorrectly for years and eventually pay for it.

Almost everyone here has tried VERY HARD to give this thread some HR value. Its not for lack of information, its for lack of action on the part of the man given the information.

Sooooo, take some advice, or.....keep digging around with old needles in your arm lol.