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herbalize

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Hi guys just wondered if anybody could help me out with an answer to my problem.
Im an 18 year old male weigh about 12 stone.
I took a defqon at a rave a couple of weeks ago pill reports suggest around 140-170mg of MDMA.
After an hour of taking it I had quite an intense come up and had to sit down and smoke a cigarette, I then felt very euphoric but had no energy to dance. I have seen many reports on these pills and theyve all been great so not sure what has happened in my case.

Any answers/suggestions would be greatly appreciated as iv got another rave coming up in the next couple of weeks and i want to dance not be a zombie.

Thanks in advance
 
It's because its a high dose of mdma, sounds like you was 'floored'

Mixing caffeine with mdma can pick you up a bit, but it does make the mdma more neurotoxic and also it can make your come up be more riddled with anxiety, as well as you sweating out a lot.

Have you tried taking less? I find around 100-110mg i am very energetic and smiling too.
Try taking 2/3 of a pill perhaps?

remember to wait minimum of 30 days though between doses, you dont want to build a tolerance fast.
 
Thanks for replying do you have any other tips such as eating a meal before or anything like that?

Also when you say mixing caffeine do you mean buying caffeine powder or drinking a few cups of coffee before going out?

Yeah i heard you need to wait at least a month to fully enjoy it i have only done ecstacy 4 times and 3 of those times were last year so im a bit of a rookie to it.

I thought id do a whole pill as im not new to drugs and can handle them well but i will try and do a half to begin with next time and see how i get on. For example iv been smoking cannabis for 4 years iv also done cocaine and mephedrone for 2 years and the odd bit of ketamine.

Thanks again
 
I thought id do a whole pill as im not new to drugs and can handle them well
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That was my attitude with weed, and i had an anxiety attack in front of loads of people i had to go home lol.

With mdma , more of it is more likely to make you floored. That is kind of why i only take 100mg when i go to raves now, because i used to take more. I used to take around 150mg and be floored in utter euphoria but now i tend to just stay lowside, might try like 120mg next time i think though.

That's why it is great when you get powder/crystals that is tested and pure. You can weigh it up and get a better idea.

As for eating, personally i wait about 2and a half up to 3 hours , after eating then take mdma. Sometimes more though.

But dont not eat all day, because thats where your energy will probably come from on the night. What you've ate that day.
You only need a small amount of caffeine btw. I dunno, drink a cup of coffee before you go out?

I tend to avoid caffeine and i like to just dose lower though.

I hope this helps.
 
Really looking forward to going out again now :)

I have to laugh though i had somebody come up to me at the club i was in and ask if i wanted to buy any pills, i asked him what they were and he replied mitsubishis. I had to laugh the bloke was trying to sell 40-50mg beans for £10 a pop. Think ive done quite well to find defqons in UK as i see alot of people complaining on pill report that they cant find them and to get them at less than a £10er each is a crime (obviously) :P
 
herbalize said:
Hi guys just wondered if anybody could help me out with an answer to my problem.
Im an 18 year old male weigh about 12 stone.
I took a defqon at a rave a couple of weeks ago pill reports suggest around 140-170mg of MDMA.
After an hour of taking it I had quite an intense come up and had to sit down and smoke a cigarette, I then felt very euphoric but had no energy to dance. I have seen many reports on these pills and theyve all been great so not sure what has happened in my case.

Any answers/suggestions would be greatly appreciated as iv got another rave coming up in the next couple of weeks and i want to dance not be a zombie.

Thanks in advance
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while there's a chance that the pill you took was the same as the pill about which you read your report, there's no guarantee they were the same. if you're not testing your stuff, you're guessing at what's in the pill...

i think darksidesam gave you some good advice.

alasdair
 
alasdairm said:
while there's a chance that the pill you took was the same as the pill about which you read your report, there's no guarantee they were the same. if you're not testing your stuff, you're guessing at what's in the pill...

i think darksidesam gave you some good advice.

alasdair
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This would have been my first guess but my 2 friends said they felt amazing.
I mean I had euphoria boy did i have euphoria but just no energy to dance they both did a half and were dancing like absolute lunatics haha.
 
^ in which case it seems very likely the stuff you took was the stuff about which you read the report.

without a doubt, the single biggest variable in this equation is the user: set and setting, physiology, etc.

alasdair
 
herbalize said:
Hi guys just wondered if anybody could help me out with an answer to my problem.
Im an 18 year old male weigh about 12 stone.
I took a defqon at a rave a couple of weeks ago pill reports suggest around 140-170mg of MDMA.
After an hour of taking it I had quite an intense come up and had to sit down and smoke a cigarette, I then felt very euphoric but had no energy to dance. I have seen many reports on these pills and theyve all been great so not sure what has happened in my case.

Any answers/suggestions would be greatly appreciated as iv got another rave coming up in the next couple of weeks and i want to dance not be a zombie.

Thanks in advance
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How is this a bad thing lol? It's called being floored... and is like my favorite part of MDMA :\


These pills are VERY high dosed, you probably just took too much. Next time, if you're still getting those 150mg+ beans (tested yourself, or at least on PR), then just titrate your dose up from half a pill.
 
Folley said:
How is this a bad thing lol? It's called being floored... and is like my favorite part of MDMA :\
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Agreed, it feels amazing being messy on mdma. I've got friends that prefer to be more in control whilst enjoying the euphoria though, they don't like the drug to overpower their self control
 
Don't get me wrong I absolutely love being wrecked and I wouldn't of had the slightest issue with lying on the floor stroking myself to death :) It was just the fact i was at a rave and wanted to dance haha
 
Glad to report i went raving friday and everything was better. Did a half when i got in waited another 2 hours did another half and i was flying absolutely quality night. Looks like i did just need to dose down a little. Thanks for the advice guys :)
 
Also, it is worth noting that many people say these pills are not "normal" MDMA.


"Normal" MDMA will be a racemic mixture of both the R and S isomers. These pills (and ones like them, Speakers, Triforces...etc) have been reported by many people who have taken them to lean more to the psychedelic or "speedy" sides of an MDMA. This would indicate a higher level of one isomer in the pill, creating different effects.



But yeah, those Defqons have a FAT dose in them. It's not surprising at all for them to be too much for someone without a tolerance
 
Folley said:
Also, it is worth noting that many people say these pills are not "normal" MDMA.


"Normal" MDMA will be a racemic mixture of both the R and S isomers. These pills (and ones like them, Speakers, Triforces...etc) have been reported by many people who have taken them to lean more to the psychedelic or "speedy" sides of an MDMA. This would indicate a higher level of one isomer in the pill, creating different effects.



But yeah, those Defqons have a FAT dose in them. It's not surprising at all for them to be too much for someone without a tolerance
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ok wait....the defqons have floored me aswell. now you say these pills and ones like it cause a "speedy" effect. i think i get what your saying is that depending on the isomers will change the effects of the MDxx right? but yeah, i took 2.5 of these one night and all i could do is lay there and think OMG this feels REALLY good lol but i didnt feel like moving around alot and actually had some balance issues lol. i am very interested in the whole not "normal' MDMA thing though Folley if you could elaberate on that would awesome bro.
 
I am not tired when i roll, but i do enjoy lying down and talking instead of dancing etc. Mostly because i roll with friends at home, so we dont go to music events etc.
 
like everyone said, high quantities of MDMA will get you "smacked out" and also impair motor ability for a short while too (mainly due to nystagmus/eye wiggles, but if you walk, it literally feels like your floating on clouds!) hence the urge to sit down and enjoy the fucking pure bliss. I always start with 100mg and redose 80mg, 1.5 hrs later if i want to still be able to dance and be up and socialising. I also like to combo my initial dose with caffiene pills or ephedrine, but IMO, a tad bit of speed (dexedrine/adderall 5-10mg) is also good!
 
thizzlemonster86 said:
ok wait....the defqons have floored me aswell. now you say these pills and ones like it cause a "speedy" effect. i think i get what your saying is that depending on the isomers will change the effects of the MDxx right? but yeah, i took 2.5 of these one night and all i could do is lay there and think OMG this feels REALLY good lol but i didnt feel like moving around alot and actually had some balance issues lol. i am very interested in the whole not "normal' MDMA thing though Folley if you could elaberate on that would awesome bro.
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Hard to explain...

The Defqons wouldn't be the ones that would give speedy effects, I believe it was the Speakers that had those effects.


There is some more information in here http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/618253-Red-defqon, but basically, depending on the ratios of the isomers, the effects will be different.



Here is some more information, straight from the Father of MDMA himself

I received research samples of each of the two isomers from my NIMH contacts, and set up a pretty much blind study. One of the results was clear and not unexpected. The "S" isomer was clearly the more potent one -- the effective dose was between 60 and 120 milligrams, whereas the "R" isomer was barely threshold at 160 milligrams. This was about a 2:1 weight ratio favoring the "S" or "stimulant" isomer as defining the action. What was unexpected was that neither isomer gave the magic of the racemic MDMA. It was almost as if both the separate pharmacological components needed to be present to experience the unusual properties of this drug.
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People also say that those Defqons are less "magical" and have less empathy, so perhaps these have more of the R isomer? IDK, it's hard to say and I can't even be 100% sure that it's true.. but I've heard the same basic thing said in a few different ways about the same exact pills, so obviously there is something going on with them




Other reading about the subject can be found in the "Types of Molly" (or was it Types of MDMA?) thread here in ED... I was told that I was wrong by a few of the "Moderators" around here, but they have absolutely nothing to back that claim up, and many people who have taken the pills agree with me... So take it as you will.
 
^^^^i for one TOTALLY agree and i HAVE taken the Defqons (both kinds), QDANCE power-buttons, and a bunch others. havnt tried the speakers though, and its sux cause i dont think you can get those anymore now :( oh well.... i plan on trying the tri-forces but im not for sure. not sure if i wanna mess wit pills anymore lol. but yeah the defqons were very chill. all i wanted to do was just lay on my back an take in all that euphoria lol. it was amazing but almost no energy and bad balance too.
 
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