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Mushroom nearly (or maybe) passed out what was this?

just_said_coke

just_said_coke

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Hi,

Was in Amsterdam, had a lot of types of different mushrooms (rookie mistake?). However long it took to start digesting I felt a bit unwell. The following description is what it felt like, I was not tripping.. - It felt like an extreme pressure in my head. It quickly got more intense and I was burning up and started perspiring like crazy. The pressure in my my face/head felt like exploding. I was incapacitated just head in my hands sort of thing.. as it progressed I could hear a whining pressure sound physically occurring in my head. I turned purple in the face. All the time pressure increasing to my face/head.. I passed out just for a second I think, just as I blacked out or just before (I cant remember which, this point is hazy), I felt a pop and a pressure sound and felt the heat drain away from my face and my colour returned instantly. I instantly felt normal, just stopped sweating like crazy, hot flush, everything.. The pressure part I think could have been 10 minutes, not enough time to fall off the bench and into the canal :) The part before the crazy heat flush would have been enough time for my friends to smoke a spliff (I didn't have any, too busy dying).


I cant recall quantities but I consumed what is marketed as: ecuadorian, colombian, thai, .. maybe some other one? and philosophers stone. I definitely didn't eat a lot of each one, my friend ate most of each pack and some of those I'm pretty sure I only had a few or a couple that you might just sample.. (for the record he spewed in a pot plant at the van gogh musuem tripped balls and was fine).

I'm sorry I do not recall exact packet size but they are these (they seemed standard in Amsterdam so maybe someone can identify the size?):
http://www.mushroomjohn.org/news/Dutchban6-2006-2.jpg


Anyway, what was likely to have occurred to me? Did I suicide a part of my brain? Just too much or mixing no good? I'm not planning to have any more just wondering if any implications for future..
 
Im sorry, I cannot really be sure as I wasnt there at the time but it sounds to me you had a allergic reaction to maybe one or all of the mushrooms you consumed? Did you trip afterwards at all? or just suffer from stomach pain etc for about 4 hours? Remember mushrooms are technically a poison you are ingesting (as is alcohol, nicotine etc) Perhaps your body can not tolererate psyclein very well?
I would say perhaps it was just to much for your brain to take, and you had a bad trip, but ive seen that happen and it was nothing like you described :/
 
Uh... mushrooms are not poisonous, that is if they are the correct ones. In fact psilocybin (never heard of 'psyclein') is extremely non-toxic. While anything can poison you if you have too much of it, psilocybin is less toxic than, for example, paracetamol. By far.

Felt the need to pick you up on that. As for what happened to just_said_coke, I'm afraid I don't have enough knowledge to speculate.
 
Splitz said:
Uh... mushrooms are not poisonous, that is if they are the correct ones. In fact psilocybin (never heard of 'psyclein') is extremely non-toxic. While anything can poison you if you have too much of it, psilocybin is less toxic than, for example, paracetamol. By far.

Felt the need to pick you up on that. As for what happened to just_said_coke, I'm afraid I don't have enough knowledge to speculate.
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I'm not sure either, but I just wanted to add that saying psilocybin is less toxic than paracetamol (even by far) isn't say much seeing how dangerous paracetamol is ;). But yeh, it's extremely non-toxic and, obviously I'm just speculating, but I'd agree that it's very unlikely to have been some sort of toxic over-dose. Allergic reaction as suggested above is more likely although I'd still doubt thats it, had you been smoking weed earlier on as that could have increased blood pressure perhaps?
 
I've heard of similar sensations and feelings from DMT, perhaps you were just completely tripping your nut off?

Stranger things have happened, my mate nearly fainted on mushrooms the other night for no particular reason either, and was also sweating profusely. I chalk that up to anxiety most likely.
 
Thanks for reading.

Allergy doubtful but are you guys referring to a specific allergic reaction you know of? I don't see how it could be immunological in nature, and couldn't find anything searching but suppose anything is possible..

No other symptoms afterwards, including any stomach issues.. as I said it completely went away. Does "too much for your brain" have a scientific basis I can look up or you're speaking generally or something? I tried to stay within the dosage pack so at least the total amount consumed didn't exceed a pack probably. I expect that's actually pretty conservative. I had a half a pack of thai previously and didn't really get anything other than tired and very slight closed eye visuals for less than 20 mins (when encouraged, e.g. lie down, headphones on try to let it on etc). Increasing that to the full pack seemed conservative? Maybe it is just me :\

Smoking all day every day so yes could have had high blood pressure but then that would be the case 90% of the time I'm awake. I don't recall smoking immediately prior but definitely would have had multiple spliffs that day/in previous hours.

Splitz said:
Uh... mushrooms are not poisonous, that is if they are the correct ones. In fact psilocybin (never heard of 'psyclein') is extremely non-toxic. While anything can poison you if you have too much of it, psilocybin is less toxic than, for example, paracetamol. By far.
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Wikipedia says that psilocybin is 1.5x more toxic than caffeine. How many more times less toxic than paracetamol is that? :P

TangerinO said:
Stranger things have happened, my mate nearly fainted on mushrooms the other night for no particular reason either,
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... apart from taking the mushrooms you mean? :P unlike allergies there seems to be a lot of hits on this googling in case you or your friend is interested
 
Doesn't sound like allergic reaction, and there are numerous accounts of fainting on mushrooms (I've seen and done my fair share of fainting on mushrooms, LSD, or M1, and not at the same time either).

My best explanation is some combination of panic attack or mild seizure-like event (clearly not a seizure) or even simple blood sugar blood pressure black-out that could happen even while sober. Just somehow gets precipitated by the flood of serotonin-like chemicals in the blood or brain or spinal fluid or lymph.
 
just_said_coke said:
Wikipedia says that psilocybin is 1.5x more toxic than caffeine. How many more times less toxic than paracetamol is that? :P
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The wikipedia article states: "In rats, the median lethal dose (LD50) when administered orally is 280 milligrams per kilogram (mg/kg), approximately one and a half times that of caffeine". So it's saying that the LD50 is 1.5x that of caffeine, meaning you'd have to take 1.5x as much. Always be careful when reading these things.

Anyway the point I was trying to make about the paracetamol was that most people (by which I mean those that don't educate themselves about such things) wouldn't consider it 'poisonous'. It's a harmless painkiller right? But as it happens it is pretty toxic, much more so than psilocybin, which for some reason people have an idea is poisonous (under the impression that normal doses used to trip is bad for you. At least physically, it's not).

I hope that clears things up. :)
 
Psilocin can lower blood pressure. I passed out and woke up into my first ego death after combining nicotine with sake & magic mushrooms. However I do not recommend smoking cigarettes. I am nearly 4 months clean.
 
Ahh my apologies, did not mean to give false information! Sorry, I had naturally just always assumed they where technically a poison due to the slight naseau associated with come up etc. Just thought they where like alcohol, where they are not deadly in reasonably doses, still you learn something new everyday I suppose! As for my poor spelling, I shall pull out my trump card! I'm dyslexic! And lets face it psilocybin isn't exactly the easiest word to spell :) Im sure you got what I meant anyways.
But ahh to OP i'm really not sure if "too much for your brain" can be backed up by any sort of technical grounding. Perhaps there are certain transmitters that react if it senses such a dramatic change? But im afraid im no neurobiologist so cant be sure.
Back to your question, blood pressure is actually a very valid point. Had you eaten well before hand etc?
In the past if ive smoked a spliff before eating a good meal i've felt very very dizzy and light headed and blacked out for a few minutes only to come around and feel fine after a good sandwich :) If magic mushrooms have the same effects on blood pressure as marijuana dose this may be your answer!
 
I understand blood pressure would feel more like feinting after being light headed, let's say similar to blood deprivation caused by G forces/grey out etc.

So I liken my experience to what I imagine a stroke must feel like. The massive pressure on my face/head, the corresponding pressure pops sounds along with going purple would indicate blood was rushing into my head for some reason no?


I'm thinking if someone knows how mushrooms actually work in the first place on the human body potentially that might be a good place to start. Anyway I'll probably have to do my own research and if I find anything I think is noteworthy I'll post back.
 
One of my friends passed out on mushrooms and fell down a hill, while another almost passed out while coming up on 4-HO-MET, a mushroom analogue, so this is definitely not unheard of. After the head pressure and other uncomfortable effects passed, did you still trip?
 
Shrooms are the only psychedelic i've seen anybody pass out on, and it's happened a couple of times.
Maybe related to the high dose onset sleepy feelings where eyes roll into the back of the head and body goes all flaccid.
 
Shrooms & synthetic 4-sub tryptamines are known to cause the occasional swooning. Don't think anyone knows for sure, but it almost certainly is related to tryptamines modulation of blood pressure. Cannabis can also do wacky things to your BP & heart rate. I'd guess the combo happened to work out poorly for you on that occasion. Sorry you had a bad time!
 
I had something similar to this happen to me on 2 grams of mushrooms and about a point of ketamine spaced out. I started feeling like something just wasn't right after my last bump of k and I suddenly couldn't walk anymore. My whole world turned side ways so I had to lay down, I didn't know where I was anymore and I was overheating... about to faint, sweating really heavily, feeling like I was going to die... I was extremely paranoid and felt like every noise I heard was something going terribly wrong. I was having intense visuals like I was in a forest but I was actually in my friend's house. I saw a large, transparent hand coming out of the side of the wall and a Tool (band) eye in the corner searching around everywhere like Sauron from Lord of the Rings until it found me and just stared.

My guess is that your trip just "got out of control" like mine did?
 
i have felt distinctly nauseous enough on mushrooms - almost about to pass out yet i didn't. this effect is particularly pronounced on an empty stomach, i have noticed

all the fungi you ate was psilocybin based, so there is no danger in mixing them. i think the real cause was you simply ate a high dose, and maybe the combination with cannabis ? then there was a big rush of panic and stress, thus pressure, then the pressure eventually popped and everything calmed
 
I know one guy who took mushrooms and then broke wind and sneezed at the same time and did a backflip.

But after that he was ok.
 
just_said_coke: I had a similar experience on a visit to Amsterdam. I had tried a small amount of mushrooms one time before (in the states), and had an okay-ish experience on them. Not awesome, but I was willing to try again. So My BF and I got some legal shrooms (truffles, they call them now to please the law). I told the girl selling them that I was a lightweight and got the mildest possible dose.

Followed all the instructions on the cute little leaflet, ect. I was okay for about an hour or so, and then - I started feeling really lightheaded, blood pressure dropped like a rock, and I passed out and had a seizure in the middle of a theater. I've never done that before!

It did not pass - when I woke up, I was still very not-well, so weak I could not sit up without support, and having muscle spasms so badly I could not walk. My BF was awesome, carried me out to the lobby and started getting water and juice into me. But even after resting and hydrating for an hour, I was still rolling in and out of consciousness, and I could not walk. So he carried me out to the street, got me in a cab, and got us back to the hotel. (Which is impressive - he is a strong, six-foot guy, but I'm not a 90lb baby! And he was also tripping his own ass off.)

We got back to the hotel and put me into bed, and after a while, the spasms died down and I was clearer-headed. I took an ambien, went to sleep, and the next day, I felt pretty much fine. But god, it was an awful experience!

I will NEVER take mushrooms again. I think I'm allergic to them, and I don't think allergic experiences on mushrooms are as rare as people like to think. I had taken a anti-nausea pill (one which was prescribed to me and which I had taken before with no ill effects) before dosing. So I think that might have kept me from throwing up. Which I'm glad of on the one hand, although if it had shortened the awful experience, I would have gladly humiliated myself even further by tossing my cookies on the floor of that club, with everyone in the whole place staring at me!
 
I thought shrooms are banned in Amsterdam? (I know banned has nothing to due with availability)
 
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