Stimulants Question about snorting H after speed and mdma has peaked. Is it worth it?

[mouthpiece]

Hello again, my lovely bluelight!

I'm quite happy right now, but I would have been more happier if the H that I snorted 4 hours after amphetamine peak (East-European street speed, white powdery one, the one that smells like laundry detergent) had more effect on me than it usually does. For example, If I hadn't used the amp (also snorted it), I'm positive I'd get a lot, lot higher than this. I never thought that with this amount of H, which is almost twice the amount I took few weeks ago when I got super high, but hadn't used any other substance before, I wouldn't even get the first rush-like feelings that usually happen after snorting this amount of H.

So I am wondering - does snorted amph somehow dims the effect of H (4 hours after peak; basically when you're getting low stimulation-vise)? Half an hour after H I also took 1,5 mg of clonazepam (I actually think I wouldn't have felt the H if it wasn't for this little, relaxing fellow).
Or maybe my nasal cavities got stuck with speed (I packed my nose until it was full). Or maybe the capillaries (or something) in my nose got somehow temporarily fucked up by this poison of a street amph (wasn't that bad, I'm just being negative) making it so that H isn't absorbed? But as it was 5-6 hours after amph insufflation...

So any ideas why H didn't work so well?

This question got me interested because last time I snorted amph, I took 400ml codeine and was really surprised about the effects (or lack of them). Usually I buzz out nicely on 400ml.

P.S.
Almost forgot to mention that I popped one weak E pill 1h after amph insufflation. Maybe amph and E effects (I have no tolerance with these substances) dimmed the effect of H because the stimulation was too strong (my jaw is still running a bit crazy around 12h after taking amph, but the two strong downers - H and clonazep, should have helped me).

P.P.S.
I have low-medium tolerance to opiates as I'm a daily tramadol user (~ 400mg). I took 400mg 7 hours before taking amph, if it's related or means anything.

P.P.P.S.
Really sorry for my messy, messy writing - although my thoughts are quite controlable, I keep forgetting every cool idea that I have (had) few minutes (even seconds) ago. And without cool ideas, there can't be a cool post. So have a good day.

 

[Venrak]

Chances are it was due to the fact that you depleted your dopamine reserves with the amphetamine.

 

[Jabberwocky]

yes because essetially amps dull out the effects of opiates. what you were doing i guess was a type of speedball, but you spaced your amp use 5 hours before the heroin, there may have still been some residual active amps left. as you took mdma along with it, this would also numb out the effects of opiates too. the amphetamine could have been adulterated with something else too causing your blocked nose, causing a lack of H absorption. its how a lot of overdoses occur actually, a person who is on stims will notice their original dose of opiates/benzos not working and will have a strong urge to redose. when the stims wear off, you're in trouble as your heart rate will begin to slow down and down.

opiates are effective on two receptors of the brain, opiate and dopamine. the unique euphoria gained from opiates is due to the opiate receptors being stimulated rather than the production of excess dopamine.

the combo you were on is extremely dangerous. speed followed by H and benzos is a path to destruction and even death. both heroin and benzos are CNS depressants and if you are under the influence of speed will not be apparant until the amphetamine wears off. please reconsider your usage of drugs like this, i went down this path and nearly OD'd twice, suffered from stim psychosis too. horrible.

 

[Znegative]

Amphetamine's and other long lasting stimulants usually dull the effect's of CNS depressants, especially opiates like heroin IME, which is why when people speedball, cocaine is the stim of choice, due to its short duration.

 

[Jabberwocky]

yeah amphetamines usually provide more euphoria but remove the nodding of the drug, as it counteracts the heroin being a CNS stimulant, removing the general slowed down feeling that so many people love. cocaine is used in conjuction with heroin because of its powerful inhibition powers. your brain is flooded with dopamine from the heroin and the cocaine stops it from leaving the synapses - thus providing an intense euphoric feeling for about 30minutes. i believe that cocaine doesnt stimulate quite as much as pure amphetamines but i am wrong about many things so i could be wrong about this. after that the heroin will begin to take its course of slowing you down etc, which leaves users wanting to inject more and more which is a very dangerous practice.

 

[THC2LSD]

I don't know, amphetamines with heroin usually gives the effects and euphoria of both. Stimulants are not like naloxone, though they can reverse some of the sedation. Maybe you just got weak h, or you got freebase heroin which isn't as effective snorted. The less effective freebase/weaker h combined with the vasoconstriction in the nose from the amphetamine could make it weaker.

 

[Jabberwocky]

yes but the stimulating factors of amphetamine cancel out the sedating nature of the opiates which in turn puts a lot of strain on the heart. you will experience a flood of euphoria though which is not similar to using one of the substances on their own, and i personally loved the combo of oxycodone, amphetamines and xanax as the amps would remove all the sedation from the other two drugs but provide me with even more euphoria. this combo is still extremely dangerous as i may have mentioned before on this thread, that i nearly OD'd after the amphetamines wore off as i didn't realise i had taken too much opiates and benzos for my body to handle.

as you taking tramadol i can only warn you that your seizure threshold is already reduced. taking amphetamines also lowers seizure threshold. you are at risk of having a seizure if you escalate dosage to higher levels so be careful.

 

[mouthpiece]

Thanks for the replies, warnings and everything. I know how to handle myself (the potential seizure threat). If I'm starting to feel a bit strange, I usually put 0.5 mg clonazepam under my tongue. And I never eat more than 400mg of tramadol without clonazepam.

Yeah, the stimulation from A + E was so strong that I almost didn't feel anything from 2 normal lines of H. I know why I did it, and I blame these forums. Two days before the trip the side of my eye caught some blurry info about E + H being absolutely wonderful experience. Only now I remember that the guy was shooting the H, not snorting like I do (shooting, imo, is a one way ticket; although, that can be said about every drug that causes addiction).

 

[tricomb]

Don't mix two highly potent CNS active stimulants with their equally potent and active depressant counterparts.

 

[mouthpiece]

pls delete, double post

 

[mouthpiece]

Maybe you just got weak h, or you got freebase heroin which isn't as effective snorted.

No, we have the brown stuff here, no freebase. A friendly and semi-intelligent guy that gave it to me said it's potency is between normal/good. He usually doesn't lie to me (especially when he's not fucked up).

Don't mix two highly potent CNS active stimulants with their equally potent and active depressant counterparts.

I have had many experiences with mixing amphetamines with opiates on one condition - I used the opiates 7-9h after amp ingestion. Usually it brings such a nice euphoria back with the sedating properties of opiates and warmth mixed somewhere within these effects. Also after opi you don't feel tweeked out. And, for example, sex is unbelievable. Skin sensation are hightened - I could give my gf (she used the same coctail) an orgasm by just touching her softly, usually in not so sexual body parts (as in - non-orgasm inducing) like arms, legs, stomach.

But that doesn't mean I disagree with the fact that it's dangerous. Although, I believe that when amp effects wores off and you don't feel anything good no more, It's not as dangerous to use a bit of opi (on condition that you still don't feel really stimulatet physically).

 

[tricomb]

good is a highly subjective term