Stimulants dextroamphetamine tolerance

[Tryptamino]

wait your on 60mgs? wtf i thought I had a tolerance, 30mgs would get me a steady tweak. 60mgs would make me feel like im on a fairly large dose of desoxyn (30mgs). i think at this point you simply need to stop using any and all stimulants, they're clearly doing more bad than good at this point, and if you continue to push your tolerance to its limits, you'll have a high risk of overdose and amphetamine psychosis (not fun, i've had it).

 

[inept enigma]

i know, like i said when i stopped taking it over 5 yrs. ago i would take 30mg MAX TOTAL a day and feel incredible. i quit for 5 yrs and now, for this morning as example, i took 35mg @ 6am w/ a tsp of baking soda 45 min earlier, and after an hour and 45 min. i really didn't feel anything at all, still kind of sleepy, so i took another 35mg at 8am. it is 11:30am now and i feel more awake w/ slight jaw tension but could still go to sleep in an hour or two, no prob. i have even taken 5 days between the last time i took a single pill w/ no difference @ all. but hey, i took 5yrs off before i got the prescription last month and i STILL had to take 70mg after being amph-free for 5 years to even get half of what i used to get off of 20mg back then. i was just wondering if adderall or dexedrine would make any difference (adderall, bdecause of the added 3 salts, even though some may add a little to the peripheral side-effects, i've heard a few people say they are actually more recreational. and desoxyn because i have NEVER taken RXed methamphetamine and the last time i did "street" meth and/or "ice" was about 7 years ago and not much of that at all and i just appreciate the input, esp. from those of you w/ experience inmoderate to higher doses of dextroamphetamine as well as having used desoxyn, like you tricomb. any other hints appreciated (and YES i've done everything from sodium bicarbonate, to vitamin cocktails, to one large dose, to multipole doses, skipping days (even a few weeks last month) and this week i even broke down and did what one of you suggested and PLUGGED the shit but no noticable difference from what happens when i take it orally/sublingually *sigh*.

thanks for the help and patience guys, i'm a dilaudid/heroin person by preference but recently detoxed myself off the methadone clinic and am just now ending my withdrawls so i'm trying to avoid my TRUE love and i never had a real addiction problem in the past, i just LOVED the feeling, would stay up the 1st day or 2 after getting my script, eating a few more than normal, then take a few days off and go back to taking it as RXed and when not in college during the summer, i hardly touched it, but now i feel like mick jagger, i just cna't get now satisfaction. heroin/diladid had me under a bridge and in and out of homeless shelters and the methadone clinic i was up to 120mg/daily and din't even know i was taking it and STILL had a habit just w/o fun so i got the balls up to quit it and so i was hoping to get a little bit of drug-induced pleasure from my dex script and use it to power me through these last weeks of methadone withdrawals but having to take fucking 100mg a day is not normal for ANYONE IMO, but for the life of me i don't understand how i went from taking 20mg, being GREAT, to taking a 5yr. break, coming back and having 100mg not even give me more than a little extra focus and teeth grinding...

 

[NeighborhoodThreat]

OP, the amphetamines are working to some degree. Thats a wall of text for sure ^

Anyway, amphetamine tolerance is a bitch...it will hang around for a while.

But, like I said, going from your posting style...you're certainly on a lot of amphetamines.

(IME, Dexedrine/Dextrostat/dextroamphetamine is the most euphoric of all the amphetamines - I haven't tried Desoxyn, however).

 

[tricomb]

wait your on 60mgs? wtf i thought I had a tolerance, 30mgs would get me a steady tweak. 60mgs would make me feel like im on a fairly large dose of desoxyn (30mgs). i think at this point you simply need to stop using any and all stimulants, they're clearly doing more bad than good at this point, and if you continue to push your tolerance to its limits, you'll have a high risk of overdose and amphetamine psychosis (not fun, i've had it).

This is correct, on the bottle it says "Take 25mg four times daily, or as needed for attention (25mg QID q4-6h)" For a total of 100mg methamphetamine per day.

I pretty much only take 5-10mg at a time though, pretty rarely now, nowhere close to daily dosing, never exceeding 25mg per WEEK.

If my opiate scripts were this liberal, I would not be hurting so bad right now.

 

[Jabberwocky]

honestly if you're having to take such high doses its not worth it. above 100mg and you're looking at psychosis, abusing heroin and coming off methadone atm will also reduce the effects of the dex as your dopamine receptors have been taking a huge blow.

just leave it for a few months... i'd say about 6 then try and take it again, i guess you could snort it but 100mg of pill up your nose is going to cause issues

when i hit 120mg a day i first had experienced the psychosis and let me tell you its no fun at all.

tolerance is probably crossed with heroin use or any other drugs you have taken for the past 5 years, not to mention changes in your physical make up etc. you can't judge what happened 5 years ago as to what will happen now.

you said you've had no real addiction problems but your heroin use is obvious of that. it's not a good idea to mangle with amphetamines because they are honestly some of the most addictive drugs out there - for me worse than h and coke.

i abused them for only two months. i've been clean for the good part of 4-5 from stims, my tolerance is still sky high and won't come down. in fact its even higher because i was abusing opiates which also act on dopamine receptors.

i guess you could try a supplement of l-tyrosine and smoke cigarettes that boosted the high for me, oh and caffeine. dxm at low doses 30mg have shown to reduce the tolerance due to nmda regulation, and also try taking magnesium but that will reduce the bruxism(jaw clenching, teeth grinding) which i love so damn much. zinc is good too. theres something called ZMA which i buy to help me with my amps.

get back on a healthy path and then if you really want to abuse the drugs again fine, as your tolerance would have probably reduced and you'll feel the effects again briefly.

 

[kokaino]

I've experienced intense euphoria from amphetamines (including meth and d-amp). I don't understand how anyone can think that they are minimally euphoric, but I guess this further proves how differently people react to drugs. I am scripted Dexedrine 10 mg IR tabs (20 mg 3x/day). I usually take them as prescribed, but sometimes I do go on a 3-5 day binge on dextroamphetamine and I find it to be very euphoric. Tolerance does build up relatively quickly (not as bad as with benzos or opioids, I've found though). When I first started Dexedrine I was put on 5 mg IR 2x/day and now I'm on 20mg 3x/day. Before that I was on Ritalin (I didn't find this all that euphoric).

 

[Jabberwocky]

I've experienced intense euphoria from amphetamines (including meth and d-amp). I don't understand how anyone can think that they are minimally euphoric, but I guess this further proves how differently people react to drugs. I am scripted Dexedrine 10 mg IR tabs (20 mg 3x/day). I usually take them as prescribed, but sometimes I do go on a 3-5 day binge on dextroamphetamine and I find it to be very euphoric. Tolerance does build up relatively quickly (not as bad as with benzos or opioids, I've found though). When I first started Dexedrine I was put on 5 mg IR 2x/day and now I'm on 20mg 3x/day. Before that I was on Ritalin (I didn't find this all that euphoric).

see i find ritalin hugely euphoric. same goes for dexamph but i get such bad cravings for more ritalin when I'm taking it, more so than dex, and they are both equally as fiendish. tolerance is rapid when its snorted and not taken by mouth, or if you don't have ADHD/ADD and you don't actually need the stuff. thats my opinion anywhere.

 

[kokaino]

^ I am ADD, but I still am able to use the dextroamphetamine for its stimulant/euphoric effects in the right doses. There is this misconception that if you are ADD/ADHD then you can't get high off of stimulants or that they "calm" you down. They don't "calm" you down, they keep you focused, motivated and give you the ability to control your impulses and attention span.

 

[Jabberwocky]

^ I am ADD, but I still am able to use the dextroamphetamine for its stimulant/euphoric effects in the right doses. There is this misconception that if you are ADD/ADHD then you can't get high off of stimulants or that they "calm" you down. They don't "calm" you down, they keep you focused, motivated and give you the ability to control your impulses and attention span.

i have adhd too, but a normal dose keeps me focused, a higher dose = euphoria with me. i need to keep taking more and more to maintain that euphoria though, and it ruins my usual doseage tolerance too. if i binge one day, the 30mg regular dose will not be as effective because obviously you have bombarded your brain with a lot of dopamine, but there will be some value left in it. if you continue to dose correctly at 30mg, it will return back to baseline within a day or so. of course you can get high, but you will need a lot more than usual as you have depleted amounts of dopamine anyway. that's where it starts to get dangerous - i'd need to take about 120mg of dex to get a recreational value out of it, about 200mg of methylphenidate, which are both psychotic inducing doses, even if you have depleted dopamine or not, simply because of the effects it has on the brain and CNS.

 

[Korn3x]

why anyone is taking this much medication, or wants to take that much medication, surprises me.

i find that with stimulants, LESS is more when it comes to actually trying to combat your ADD. What you should try to aim for is to find the lowest, effective dose that manages your ADD without giving you bad side effects.

If you're searching for the euphoria you once had, i'm afraid that most likely you will never find it again. I've taken big breaks from my medication trying to catch that familiar buzz when i tried my first couple of pills, but have not had any luck in gaining it back. After a couple months on my medication I finally realized that I would no longer be able to abuse (and by abuse i mean like every now and then taking 2x my normal dosage, but not much more altho ive pushed higher). However, the medication will help you concentrate and make you less impulsive. I advise the best thing for you to do is just take your medication as prescribed (or actually in your case, take less than is prescribed), or else it's not going to work for you one day. Also, little vacations every now and then can also help keep the medication feeling "fresh". If i wanted more medication from my psych, i'm sure i could have gotten my dosage upped, but with years of schooling and the challenges of life coming at me I'd rather make sure I keep my medication working at its fullest potential by keeping my dosage down to where it should be, and not what dosage i think it would be "fun" to be on all the time.

The buzz I receive from my medication now is only when I'm able to concentrate and focus on my material at the library. It's very subtle, and you hardly even notice it, but if you pay attention you can can appreciate the more subtle effects the medication has on you. Without my medication focusing is impossible for me, and it's too important for me to lose the medication's efficacy.

All in all, I'd say i'd rather prefer to have very subtle euphoria each day instead of having 1 full day of "half-assed" euphoria from a binge that causes the next couple dosages to not work as effectively.

After awhile you kind of lose your fascination with the medication, and you'll eventually get to a point where you kind of look forward to not being medicated all the time.

 

[Korn3x]

^ I am ADD, but I still am able to use the dextroamphetamine for its stimulant/euphoric effects in the right doses. There is this misconception that if you are ADD/ADHD then you can't get high off of stimulants or that they "calm" you down. They don't "calm" you down, they keep you focused, motivated and give you the ability to control your impulses and attention span.

i would say stimulants definitely have a calming effect on me. I can't tell you how many times i've taken my medication and just passed out at the library or fell asleep at my apt. It doesn't happen every time though, and probably has to do with how much natural chemicals my brain is producing that day when i take my medication.

 

[Jabberwocky]

As the above post states, I totally agree: time is your friend here. It would be best if you took some to deal with you excessive drug (ab)use.

Anywhooo... although it won't lower your tolerance, I'm surprised no one has mentioned NMDA antagonists (did anyone mention it? )...

 

[Korn3x]

As the above post states, I totally agree: time is your friend here. It would be best if you took some to deal with you excessive drug (ab)use.

Anywhooo... although it won't lower your tolerance, I'm surprised no one has mentioned NMDA antagonists (did anyone mention it? )...

ive had mixed reviews with DXM. there's been times i've taken some and it worked very well, and there's been times where it just made the buzz feel kind of dirty. if the OP is going to try to use DXM to potentiate, beware of serotonin syndrome at the dosages you may be taking. do some research.

 

[kokaino]

i would say stimulants definitely have a calming effect on me. I can't tell you how many times i've taken my medication and just passed out at the library or fell asleep at my apt. It doesn't happen every time though, and probably has to do with how much natural chemicals my brain is producing that day when i take my medication.

They don't have a sedative effect. I think "calm" shouldn't be confused with sedated. At therapeutic doses, I too become more focused, less impulsive, and generally "calmer" (not sedated or passing out, just not all over the place). My attention span is increased significantly and I can sit and actually listen to someone talk without interrupting or talking too much. I become very focused on whatever it is that I am doing and it is very hard to make me lose that focus. However, when I take recreational doses, I become stimulated and feel very euphoric.

 

[Jabberwocky]

i would say stimulants definitely have a calming effect on me. I can't tell you how many times i've taken my medication and just passed out at the library or fell asleep at my apt. It doesn't happen every time though, and probably has to do with how much natural chemicals my brain is producing that day when i take my medication.

have you ever tried snorting 100mg of d-amps? no way will you be calm, regardless of having ADHD or not. what do you take? MPH?

at a lower dose as i said before i agree, they calm me down and allow me to focus. at a higher dose i feel as if i want to take on the world, and am struck with waves of euphoria especially if i insufflate it. but that is a rare ocassion for me as i actually need my medication to function properly. sometimes i'll save up on the weekend by not taking any but that rarely happens.

 

[Jabberwocky]

DXM is not used to potentiate. at the low dosages you should be taking it to increase tolerance you would feel no, and I mean no, effects (we're talking like 30mg)...

for more info and trip report quotes: http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/...lection-of-the-evidence-and-anecdotal-reports

 

[Jabberwocky]

DXM is not used to potentiate. at the low dosages you should be taking it to increase tolerance you would feel no, and I mean no, effects (we're talking like 30mg)...

for more info and trip report quotes: http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/...lection-of-the-evidence-and-anecdotal-reports

thats not true. DXM is used to potentiate too, much like it potentiates opiates. DXM is a two birds with one stone type of drug actually, it actively reduces tolerance while increasing the effects of the amphetamines/opiates. but with it come a whole range of side effects as i mentioned earlier, inability to urinate was the worst.

as for how it does this its a long and coomplicated answer of which i can answer and have done in ADD but can't be bothered to type out again atm

 

[BananasAndOranges]

I've experienced intense euphoria from amphetamines (including meth and d-amp). I don't understand how anyone can think that they are minimally euphoric, but I guess this further proves how differently people react to drugs. I am scripted Dexedrine 10 mg IR tabs (20 mg 3x/day). I usually take them as prescribed, but sometimes I do go on a 3-5 day binge on dextroamphetamine and I find it to be very euphoric. Tolerance does build up relatively quickly (not as bad as with benzos or opioids, I've found though). When I first started Dexedrine I was put on 5 mg IR 2x/day and now I'm on 20mg 3x/day. Before that I was on Ritalin (I didn't find this all that euphoric).

I hope you know about the dexedrine IR shortage. Id use my pills wisely instead of wasting them.

 

[BananasAndOranges]

have you ever tried snorting 100mg of d-amps? no way will you be calm, regardless of having ADHD or not. what do you take? MPH?

at a lower dose as i said before i agree, they calm me down and allow me to focus. at a higher dose i feel as if i want to take on the world, and am struck with waves of euphoria especially if i insufflate it. but that is a rare ocassion for me as i actually need my medication to function properly. sometimes i'll save up on the weekend by not taking any but that rarely happens.

why would someone SNORT 100MGS of dextroamphetamine..are you joking? Thats flat out....again Wasteful. I can sleep on Dexedrine and Adderall. If you Need your medication then eat it....dont snort it even if you are trying to get high. Thats a lot of gross powder...yuck

 

[Korn3x]

They don't have a sedative effect. I think "calm" shouldn't be confused with sedated. At therapeutic doses, I too become more focused, less impulsive, and generally "calmer" (not sedated or passing out, just not all over the place). My attention span is increased significantly and I can sit and actually listen to someone talk without interrupting or talking too much. I become very focused on whatever it is that I am doing and it is very hard to make me lose that focus. However, when I take recreational doses, I become stimulated and feel very euphoric.

sedative - Having a soothing, calming, or tranquilizing effect; reducing or relieving anxiety, stress, irritability, or excitement

Now i wouldn't classify Amps as a sedative in medical-dictionary terms (since it is obviously a stimulant), but there have been many times that the medication has literally put me to sleep, and I'm not alone in this matter. There are several other reports on ADD forums of people having similar effects. Not once did I even mention sedative in my post though so not even sure why I looked all that up.

Since ADD kids have hyperactive brains normally, the effect of the stimulant actually helps slow some of us down. My blood pressure is even lowered on the medication and there have been times during a long tests when I'd start to crash prematurely and could feel my heart starting to speed up. All I have to do is place a fraction of my normal dosage under my tongue, and within minutes I can already feel my heart rate start to slow back down.

I would say that at therapeutic dosages for me I'm still focused, but not hyperfocused on my material. It only allows me to read and comprehend at a more normal pace, but i'm still prone to external distractions such as people talking around me.

have you ever tried snorting 100mg of d-amps? no way will you be calm, regardless of having ADHD or not. what do you take? MPH?

at a lower dose as i said before i agree, they calm me down and allow me to focus. at a higher dose i feel as if i want to take on the world, and am struck with waves of euphoria especially if i insufflate it. but that is a rare ocassion for me as i actually need my medication to function properly. sometimes i'll save up on the weekend by not taking any but that rarely happens.

Never tried snorting 100mg (sounds unpleasant in terms of administration and effects) but I've had close to that and I find that more just increases the negative side effects, without adding much to the euphoria. And I never stated that taking recreational dosages makes me calm - I was only referring to therapeutic dosages which is why I mentioned the library in my post.

And I was on Adderall for about 2 years but now I'm on Dexedrine and have had similar results with both in terms of them putting me to sleep at times.