DXM Polistyrex to Hbr Conversion?

[dextrodoctor]

Okay well im currently extracting DXM Polistyrex from Delsym, I used the water tek milk jug method and right now the im evaperating the water from the powder with a space heater. As far as i understand the powder that i will soon have is dxm hbr coated in some kind of plastic (i assume its some kind of material similar to what gel caps are made of) and is used in that manner for time release purposes. Well in order to have a better form of dxm to trip off, one that is absorbed quicker in order to get more dxo metabolized, i would need it to be more in the form of hbr.

Now here is where i have my first question what are some ways i can convert this into something less time released? could one simply crush up the powder with a blade or syringe even tho one could not see any progress with the naked eye could doing so break up the coating on the dxm. Or is there some kind of compound i could use to eat away at the coating like lemon juice? My reason for asking is if this is possible it would prove to be far easier than using an agent lemon extract or other things of the sort. Delsym is cheap and thus far its been extreemly easy to extract. Also i was wondering how this could be calculated as far as dosage. Because it says there is roughly 450mg of dxm poli per 3 ounces i have extracted 6 ounces thus far so theoreticly i have 900mg of dxm poli powder. Now is this 900mg of dxm coated in polistyrex or is this 450 mg of dxm and 450mg of poli coating?

Drinking just the delsym has proved inefective but is this due to prolonged time release or simply that on top of it being time released it is also only about half as much dxm because the mg measure also includes the weight of the plastic coating? Because if one was to extract it and eliminate the coating i want to know if i would have 900mg of dxm or 450mg of dxm. Any help or clues related to the matter would be greatly apreciated i have been looking around the forums and have only been able to find loose bits and peices of info on the matter and am not sure what is fact or bs. I i were able to find out what i want this woul;d prove to be a fast, easy and affordable way to get good easy to ingest dxm.

 

[dextrodoctor]

I really need Help with this Primarily i just need to know how much actual DXM is in the powder. As far as eliminating plastic coating im leaning towards finding a way to disolve the outer layer, i just need to know what that would require... it seems like some kind of acidic liquid would do the trick but i dont know how that would affect the actual dxm in the powder.

i was thinking if i used freshly squeezed lemon juice would it disolve the coating? if so would the dxm also disolve into the liquid?

 

[Drownrat]

Dextromethorphan Polistrex is exactly that, it's a different chemical than Dextromethorphan Hydrobromide not DXM HBr coated in plastic like most think. To convert Polistrex to HBr you will need to use some sort of chemical process that I'm unaware of

 

[mecaib]

Because it says there is roughly 450mg of dxm poli per 3 ounces i have extracted 6 ounces thus far so theoreticly i have 900mg of dxm poli powder. Now is this 900mg of dxm coated in polistyrex or is this 450 mg of dxm and 450mg of poli coating

Well my bottle says, "Each 5mL contains dextromethorphan polistirex equivalent to 30 mg dextromethorphan hydrobromide." It doesn't actually state how much DXM HBr is in there. I have a strong suspicion that there is actually more than 30 mg per 5 mL. Delsym is time released, so they might actually be putting more DXM in there because slow absorption doesn't have as much of an "attack dose" effect.

Do you have a scale? After doing the water extraction, try to weigh the powder and see if it goes over the amount you calculated. You'll need to wash it a few times to get rid of the orange or purple pigments that tend to stick around. It can help to confirm or debunk your theory about the polistirex being added to the final weight.

As far as eliminating plastic coating im leaning towards finding a way to disolve the outer layer, i just need to know what that would require... it seems like some kind of acidic liquid would do the trick but i dont know how that would affect the actual dxm in the powder.

What is the chemical state of a person's digestive system? Try to replicate that in a bottle. I'll bet doing so will effectively remove the plastic coating, though your final concoction might taste something like acid reflux

I'm no chemist, so let's hope a more knowledgeable person chimes in. Google "digestive chemistry," or something along those lines, it might help you on your quest

 

[dextrodoctor]

Unfortunitly my scale weighs its lowest increments in grams so it wouldnt pick up the weight. As far as the other question here is a theory gastric acid which is what breaks down the coating in your digestive sytem has a pH of 1.5 to 3.5 and lemon juice has a pH of 1 to 3. So theoreticly lemon juice should break it down almost as well as your stomach. Now if i were to mix the powder with say 3 ounces of lemon juice should that be sufficent? Im also wondering what the shelf life would be once its been emersed in the juice will the juice affect the DXM molecule itself?

 

[mecaib]

Now if i were to mix the powder with say 3 ounces of lemon juice should that be sufficent? Im also wondering what the shelf life would be once its been emersed in the juice will the juice affect the DXM molecule itself?

There's no real harm in trying; I'd say go ahead and do it. The lemon juice will add that extra zing, and might actually break down the polistirex. How long do you plan to let the two mingle? Perhaps a good 20-40 minutes at low heat would work.

Even if it is successful, there's always the problem of removing the degraded polistirex. DXM poly tends to dry me out, and I think it's all due to that edible plastic. It would be nice to have a simple way to remove it.

About the shelf life, I've kept a mixture of water-extracted DXM poly and orange juice in the freezer for months, and it didn't appear to lose its potency.

Dextromethorphan Polistrex is exactly that, it's a different chemical than Dextromethorphan Hydrobromide not DXM HBr coated in plastic like most think. To convert Polistrex to HBr you will need to use some sort of chemical process that I'm unaware of

I'd really like some references to scientific texts! Everyone everywhere says the polistirex is an edible plastic coating that is broken down during digestion. This applies to other drugs as well, not just DXM. I found absolutely no authoritative information describing DXM polistirex in greater detail anywhere, but maybe I just wasn't using the right keywords. So if you could dig up your source, I'd really appreciate it

 

[mecaib]

@dextrodoctor: Any updates? I'll be getting more Delsym soon, so your findings would be very helpful

 

[Dextromaniac]

Use Agent Lemon that will break down the DXM POLY into DXM HBr

Source for this information? I have done it multiple times.

And you dont really need to wait for the water to evaporate. just scoop out the mushy gooey dxm POLY from the bottom throw it on a plate and fry it with a heater or hair dryer. I scoop out and throw it on a flat piece of metal and just blast it with a hair dryer for 4 minutes and its all dry. works perfectly fine.

 

[Drownrat]

Dextromethorphan is commonly available as the monohydrated hydrobromide salt, however some newer extended-release formulations contain dextromethorphan bound to an ion exchange resin based on polystyrene sulfonic acid.

Taken directly from the dextromethorphan wiki.
I believe if you add one part lemon juice two parts delsym to a water bottle and shake for a while (15-20 minutes maybe? just guessing here) it should break the bond of the resin and the DXM. Don't quote me on that though because I've never tried it

 

[mecaib]

Taken directly from the dextromethorphan wiki.

Hmm, not exactly conclusive, as they give no citations. I don't like this aspect of Wikipedia But I guess either way it's the same: the stuff needs to be broken down with an acid.

So, back to another question, Drownrat. Do you think there might actually be more than 30mg/5mL DXM HBr in Delsym? The bottle says, "equivalent to," which isn't the same as just stating the amount in milligrams. If the acid treatment does work, it might end up producing more DXM than we thought