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Cocaine Using Kratom to wean off Stims

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blight12

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I would like to hear if anybody has successfully weaned of stims using Kratom.

I have have a manageable coke addiction for the past 7 years as i was lucky enough to only crave under the influence of alcohol which meant i could control it by managing alcohol intake. So using once, twice a week or even once every 2 months was easy.

I recently got into methcathinone (mcat) which i loved due to its stupidy cheap price, its longer duration (but not ridiculously long like meth) and incredibly stable effects. I began using it by myself at home. To me the experience was exactly like meth was described. Pure focus and clarity, no annoying need to socialize or seek companionship.
My problem with this stuff is that im now craving even when sober and not only when intoxicated.

My kratom will be arriving tomorrow and im hoping to replace the craving for stims with this wonderful sounding substance, Im also hoping it will help with alcohol and cig cravings, which i have heard it does.

Has anybody successfully substituted a destructive stim relationship with kratom? Hojestly im tired of feeling tweaked and not getting any sleep. The whole opiate concept seems far more satisfactory.

Thanks in advance.
 
I've never had that experience, so I can't answer from my own account. But I'd imagine that Kratom has the potential to help. Though taking a step back, all you're really doing is replacing one drug with another. And it seems you've somewhat already done that once transitioning from coke/alcohol to methcathinone, and it didn't work so well. Kratom certainly isn't going to make you as tweaked out as the mcat, so it's a step in the right direction I suppose. Although I've many times been down the road of trying to quit one substance by substituting another, and in my experience it's never panned out as I had hoped.

But if you're committed, I think in terms of a harm reduction standpoint, Kratom is probably one of the better drug options to kick your stim use.
 
Thanks bud. What you said about substituting one thing for another is my biggest concern. The biggest reason for getting off the stims is due to the fact that im about to lose important friendships due to my bad habits. My loved ones say that substituting one drug for another is dumb and i agree in general but in this case it seems like i would be replacing a greater evil for a much lesser one. Additionally there would be far less stigma and judgment from non using friend allowing me to keep my valued relationships.

I am just really excited about the therapeutic uses if kratom. If it can help with hardcore opiate withdrawals, im sure it can help with a relatively milder stim problem?
 
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blight12 said:
Thanks bud. What you said about substituting one thing for another is my biggest concern. The biggest reason for getting off the stims is due to the fact that im about to lose important friendships due to my bad habits. My loved ones say that substituting one drug for another is dumb and i agree in general but in this case it seems like i would be replacing a greater evil for a much lesser one. Additionally there would be far less stigma and judgment from non using friend allowing me to keep my valued relationships.

I am just really excited about the therapeutic uses if kratom. If it can help with hardcore opiate withdrawals, im sure it can help with a relatively milder stim problem?
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Yeah we all know how it goes...most of our "loved ones" only want to help, but really have no idea what really comes with drug problems and how difficult it can really be. I can say that if you're mind is in the right place, substituting a greater evil for a lesser one is a step in the right direction. Just gotta keep your head in the game and use caution, that's all. I was on the receiving end of all that "stigma and judgement" when I was kicking opiates and on suboxone. People were saying, "well all you're doing is replacing one drug with another..blah blah"...but it's true, it's a lesser evil and a step in the right direction.

Just be careful, seeing how the kratom is not under the care of a doctor, but rather up to you to limit your intake.
 
A lot of people have used Kratom to taper off stims, it's actually a great substance. Its stimulant properties deal with the anhedonia and fatigue, and its opioid properties sedate and lower the anxieties of stimulant withdrawal.

Just know that Kratom is physically addictive, unlike stimulants, so don't trade one addiction for another. Stick to 2-3 grams per dose for this purpose, 2 times a day at the most.
 
Coca chew may be a good idea. Some sources say it is healthy. I think a UN report stated it was harmless.
 
I'm basically reiterating what others have said - My main concern about using kratom to wean off various stimulants is that you are just replacing one drug of addiction with another. Kratom is both psychologically and physically addictive, and if you're someone who's prone to developing any addiction, there's a high probability you'll end up addicted to kratom as a result of this. You may find yourself not only craving it, but needing it to avoid going through withdrawals. The incentive to feed the addiction is then twofold and its hold on you will be doubly powerful. It doesn't sound like a good trade-off.

Besides, there's substances you could use to taper off the stims that aren't physically addicting, but the only way you'll manage is to dose them at sub-recreational levels. If you plan on using your tapering drug at recreational doses, you won't ever tackle this problem at its root, which is your addictive behaviour itself, not the drugs you're addicted to.
 
As been said, there is the issue of replacing one addiction with another, but you must take note that in some situations, it is safer to replace one addiction with another at least for the time being.

Be well aware that kratom will indeed be habit forming, but if it's safer than your high-risk cocaine, mcat, methamphetamine abuse, it's still a step in the right direction IMO.
 
I think you should use Kratom for maybe 3-4 days in a row at the most, then use ephedrine at 12.5mg three times daily for a few days, then twice daily for a few days, and then once in the mornings or afternoons as needed.

Ephedrine is not euphoric or addictive, so it could be a better maintenance drug. Plus, it's a structural methamphetamine analog, so something tells me it will address Meth w/d better than Kratom's Yomhimbine-like adrenergenic alkaloids.
 
Though I too fully understand the apparent logic of using one substance to quit another, as I have also done this multiple times, using kratom to ween off methcathinone sounds like bad news to me. Taking into consideration your addictive nature and demonstrated proclivity for drugs in general, in all likelyhood you'd enjoy the opioid effects of kratom, which would lead to curiousity about all the other opioids.

Ask yourself whether or not it is worth the risk, and if you will only use it temporarily to ween off the stimulants.
 
^+1, take it from people with previous opiate addictions, OP, you don't wanna go down that road.
 
Thank you all for the excellent responses, definitely something i need to seriously consider.

Another more selfish reason for considering Kratom is my curiosity about the opiate high. I would never consider a real opiate but Kratom seems a safe way to experiment with this type of high. I do however think that opening up the doorway for to other opiates may be very dangerous. Thanks again.
 
Glad we could lend some insight. Im glad to see you/someone come in and ask a reasonable question, and actually take the advice given into consideration, rather than just shuck it off and follow through with whatever they were intending to do regardless of the advice given. You're concerns are valid; after all it is curiousity that is the kitten killer.
 
I have been mulling over this "plan of action" and another risk i identified is that there are many trip reports that discuss the synergy of Kratorm with stimulants. The last thing you want to do is get addicted to Kratom as well as stims at the same time. Just a warning for those considering this route. Best to steer clear. Thanks again for the advice, even if it wasn't what i wanted to hear, Cheers guys.
 
i think u can probably get some mild opiate withdrawal from using kratom all the time. so careful about that! id much rather a stimulant comedown than any sort of opiate withdrawals. they SUCK!
 
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