Stimulants Sleeping on gear: anomaly?

[serta]

I'm hated by my brother because I can sleep shortly after a pipe if I wanted to, while he signs a contract saying he won't sleep for a day or two.

I don't really know of anyone else that can get to sleep after smoking ice, and I don't know if it possibly has anything to do with the medications I take (Concerta 54mg in the morning, Efexor 150mg at night).

Is anyone else capable of this?

 

[ErgicMergic]

Do you have ADD? If your stimulant doses aren't too high, and you have ADD, it is common to feel relaxed and almost sleepy off of them. Your racing mind slows down enough to get some sleep easily.

Also, it could be the Concerta's dopamine reuptake inhibition making the amphetamines less effective. I've head Wellbutrin reduces the effect of amphetamines, for example. It should make it more effective in theory, but I'm not sure why it could be the other way around. Maybe it messes with the amp's ability to play with the Dopamine's VMAT-2 transporter?

Oh wait, you're on Concerta, lol. So you're diagnosed with ADD, maybe this shows to you that you actually have it?

 

[serta]

Also, it could be the Concerta's dopamine reuptake inhibition making the amphetamines less effective.

That's what I was putting it down to. But still I couldn't wrap my head around the fact that Concerta inhibits the reuptake of dopamine while ice is just a massive spike of dopamine neurotransmitters, am I wrong? Not too sure.

And in no way would I consider ice to be therapeutic. I'm still off my head. But somehow I can manage to sleep if I so choose.

 

[snazzy_sn]

when i'm shooting ice, smoking ice makes me go straight to sleep.
when i'm shooting ice for a long time, i fix before i go to sleep.
funny thing is, i'll wake up wired.
but mom smoked ice for like sixteen years, she slept.

unless you do a lot and do it often, this is pretty uncommon.
i'd say your medication probably has something to do with this as it affects dopamine too.
probably some cross tolerance/depletion of already depleted chemicals going on.

 

[ErgicMergic]

So after reading up a bit, I found out that Concerta's DRI properties block the DAT (dopamine transporter) that the Amphetamine plays with.

Basically, amps increase DA in the pre-synaptic neuron, and then interact with the DAT to take that excess DA in to the synaptic cleft (the small space where neurotransmitters do their thing and you feel the effects). So, the amps build more ships (DA) in the docks, then force (increased DAT function) those extra ships to sail across the river to the next dock. When the ships are sailing (in the synaptic cleft), you feel the effects of the drugs.

What Reuptake Inhibitors (Concerta) do is to deny entry at the receiving port, and tell those ships to go back out to river, until these ships run out of gas and get stranded and disintegrate in the middle of the water. This seems like a good thing, but they mess with the DAT in the process.

The ship sailing analogy was the best I could come up with when explaining SNRI's to my mom.

 

[DexterMeth]

@serta: Someone I knew that has an extreme case of ADD was prescribed ritalin in middle school. I knew him in my tweaking days, and he would sometimes pass out cold after a huge hit from a meth bong or the likes. Concerta is Ritalin XR irrc.

Oh wait, you're on Concerta, lol. So you're diagnosed with ADD, maybe this shows to you that you actually have it?

lol


I'll have to read about dopamine transmission via VMAT-2

when i'm shooting ice, smoking ice makes me go straight to sleep.
when i'm shooting ice for a long time, i fix before i go to sleep.
funny thing is, i'll wake up wired..

It's the exact opposite for me. Shooting ice makes me nod, and smoking it gets me tweaked and wired.

 

[littlepenguin]

I could smoke a shitload and fall asleep - if I wanted to.
This is because I have been an everyday user for quite a bit, and I would say that on average, I get maybe...an hour of sleep per night, if that.
So my body would take the sleep opportunity anytime it got it. I just don't let it very often lol

But even before I started doing amps, there were multiple times where I would get a random ritalin/vyvanse/adderall from a friend, pop a couple, and find myself asleep in 20 minutes on the couch. Who knows?

 

[ErgicMergic]

So my body would take the sleep opportunity anytime it got it. I just don't let it very often lol

Yeah, fuck wasting drugs, I get so irritated when I pass out on downers right after taking them and waste a good high. It'll be 6 hours later and I'll still be a little high, and I'm like "damn it!"

You should really get sleep, though. 5 hours (at least) a day does the body good: more focus, less anxiety, and less depression. Also, neurotransmitters replenish during sleep, so I'm sure you'll get sooo much higher off your meth if you had a bit of sleep each night.

But even before I started doing amps, there were multiple times where I would get a random ritalin/vyvanse/adderall from a friend, pop a couple, and find myself asleep in 20 minutes on the couch. Who knows?

Pretty sure you have ADD in that case. I know you get high off of regular doses of meth, but try doing a tiny bit once. Maybe 5-15mg orally (so it'll be like Desoxyn). I bet you won't tweak, just get more relaxed, focused, less brain fog, etc.

 

[littlepenguin]

Yeah, fuck wasting drugs, I get so irritated when I pass out on downers right after taking them and waste a good high. It'll be 6 hours later and I'll still be a little high, and I'm like "damn it!"

ohhh man I know. It's so damn funny to me though...I know damn well I'm gonna nod out, and I need to go to sleep, but yet I'll come home from work and have 50 things in my mind I need to do, pack a bowl, and pass the fuck out with the pickle in my hand. I could have just went straight to sleep, but noooooooooooooo had to waste a little bit to see if I could pull thru LOL...how sad!

You should really get sleep, though. 5 hours (at least) a day does the body good: more focus, less anxiety, and less depression. Also, neurotransmitters replenish during sleep, so I'm sure you'll get sooo much higher off your meth if you had a bit of sleep each night.

Yup yup! I know this. Do I follow it? heh....

Pretty sure you have ADD in that case. I know you get high off of regular doses of meth, but try doing a tiny bit once. Maybe 5-15mg orally (so it'll be like Desoxyn). I bet you won't tweak, just get more relaxed, focused, less brain fog, etc.

oh absolutely - if I only smoked a little, I have noticed, my eyes get very heavy and I'll start to notice I'm nodding out. crazy. maybe I could go get an RX???? lol....how is one tested for ADD? (off topic, yes, I should just go look it up.)

 

[blight12]

I also noticed that using often like every second day at least resulted in the ability to feel normal in regards to being able to sleep and eat.
Eventually i can be off my tit on meth and sit and enjoy the shit out of a pizza and go to sleep after.

With regards to being on pother meds, i definitely noticed that I could sleep alot easier on coke after i started SSRI's (paxil)

 

[PriestTheyCalledHim]

I've never used crystal meth but I was prescribed dexedrine/adderall and I would fall asleep on those. It wasn't that they made me sleepy all the time but if I was tired and on them I would fall asleep or I could force myself to sleep and eventually fall asleep if it was night and I wanted to sleep and I'd taken the medication later in the day or even redosed an hour or two after originally taking the first dose. The meds were IR (instant release) and I took them orally as prescribed and I never railed them-binders suck and I did snort some Ritalin-IR once just 15mg and that was sort of like coke in a way at times during the night but it also would calm me down at times during that night and the high would escalate from being sort of like a minor stimulant as a plateau and then go down and not be a stimulant at all-and I never IV'd the dex/adderall, or smoked/vaped it either.

I was on a low dose of prozac when I was taking the dex/adderall but even before I was on prozac or when I stopped taking the prozac and still took the dex/adderall I still could fall asleep while on the medication.

I wrote about it in this topic: http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/620716-Sleepiness-on-Meth

 

[mellowyellows]

I am prescribed ADHD and I snort 5-10mg of IR methylphenidate before sleep at night, kinda similar to cocaine. I also notice i can crash considerably sooner than most of my friends after hitting the pipe, but it isnt usually soon after. I'm known to binge for nights on the pipe haha.

 

[missmegandelaney]

I'm the type of person that can rarely fall asleep after i've been on a good one.
But I knew a couple people who would ALWAYS sleep like right after a bowl.

 

[phatass]

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[GBM]

I can usually sleep after taking speed too. Problem is, I'll wake up during the come-down and just feel AWFUL.

 

[ashstorm]

In the first six months or so I used meth sleeping on it was never an issue...

After my first all night session on the pipe I went home, got bored and passed out for about 4 hours... Following that I'd smoke small amounts of crystal to sleep..

I've gone through about a half gram of meth in a sitting, got bored with a still loaded pipe and went to sleep..

After that first six months or so it seems that my body started to get used to the meth, and now I find it close to impossible to sleep on the stuff with only a single exception where I was at a loud party surrounded by people, music playing and I was on the verge of passing out, got home where it was quiet and was wide awake