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MDMA then 2c-b a few days after - Feeling extremely bad, want to die!! help!

Abundance

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So I took MDMA for the first time about 4-5 weeks ago I'm guessing, alone, I took about 120mg (I'm average height and relatively slim). It was amazing, the day after I felt better than usual a couple days after I think I felt more depressed than usual but at the time I didn't attribute it to the MDMA.

Anyway, I took MDMA for the second time I think 3 days ago (150mg) and it was as good if not better than the first time. Now I won't go into detail but I'm an extremely depressed person nad have quite a lot of crap going on right now. Yesterday I was feeling even more depressed than usual (which was 2 days after MDMA which is the same time I started feeling crap after the first time) then quite recently after I woke up I got some bad news, not extremely bad, kinda silly actually but enough to make me feel possibly the worst and most depressed and hopeless I've ever felt in my life. It was a pretty bad day and as I don't do much I don't have things to take my mind off stuff so I just sit around thinking about it and it gets worse. I was also very cold and sweaty. Yesterday night I took 2c-b (35mg oral), I felt quite sick for a while but managed not to be sick. I felt pretty good for a short while then another little negative thing happend and boom. I can't describe the feeling it was like every little bit of happiness and even the thoughts of happiness I have felt in my life had been drained and gone forever. I was curled upp in my bed with my laptop in agony, maybe I was imagining it but I felt so bad psychology that my whole body felt physically drained and empty, I felt dead.

This morning I woke upp felt almost as bad, maybe 5% better, I don't know if it's just because of the psychedelic effects the 2c-b has worn off but I can't cope with this feeling, is it because of the MDMA-like properties of 2c-b that made it like taking MDMA after I had already depleted my serotin? It feels like.. if happiness is a well.. the MDMA drained the well of all happiness and the 2c-b poured a pound of salt into it. I know eating and drinking water is good but it's hard, I've only eaten a sandwhich today and yesterday.

I can't get hold of htp5 (or whatever it's called).. is there anything I can do to recover faster apart from eating, sleeping and drinking water? I've been slightly suicidal for a long while which doesn't really help. I'm not going to comitt suicide but I can't cope with this feeling now. The combination of my already shit and stressy life and situation was hard enough to cope with without this total lack of anything positive.

Any help or advice would be greatly appreciated, thanks.

edit: Also, how long will this last? Would benso help? I don't know if I can get hold of benso, possibly on tuesday-wednesday but I'm not the kind of person that tries to solve drug problems with more drugs but if it will help and not make things worse in the long run I'd do it. I'm also feeling hard to concentrate and physically achey, although that is most probably due to the lack of food. Does eating sugar help? Any tips at all I'm desperate.. I don't even have any friends or good family/relative to talk to or hang out with :(
 
Exercise daily at least 30 min. (like running) and meditate daily.
 
First of all. DONT take 5-htp. It will probably make you feel worse at this stage.

I probably know how you feel, my feeling was paired with guilt of using drugs, but lasted only 2 hours after using 2cb, but it didnt come on till i vaped some weed so.

I would say to you avoid Weed, and exercise as nephtys said. That is essential for your serotonin network to fix itself. Wheres First Bad Comedown when you need them..

Eat bananas, a little bit of dark chocolate, Tuna, Turkey, Chicken, Free range eggs. Your going to be okay. drink green tea, take vitamin C , try and get plenty of sleep. That will help reduce Neurotoxicity.
Don't go taking any more drugs or drink alcohol.

Think of your brain like a computer, and you have just restarted it and your getting the message "Windows has just Recovered from a Serious error"

Keep posting on here, and also maybe see some friends or something and socialise.


THIS is a prime example of why it is Essential to wait a long time between doses of serotonin acting- drugs, the MINIMUM wait should be 30 days. Both 2cb AND mdma act on serotonin.
 
This feeling should pass in a couple of days. I feel for u but just hang in there. Welcome to this site and if u ever feel down or depressed u can always come on here and post ur feelings and talk to us. May I suggest if ur going thru some personal issues u may want to go talk to a proffesional they could help if anything just to get some things off ur chest may make u feel better. Definatly wait time between rolls rolling to often will make these feelings ten times worse. If u ever Wana talk feel free to pm me.
 
oh balls looks like 2C-B can't be my replacement for MDMA anymore during 30-60 day breaks :(

haha! your in the same boat as me.
There is no mdma alternative i dont think. It is still easily my favourite drug. But i will wait the 60 days at least everytime now i think
 
haha! your in the same boat as me.
There is no mdma alternative i dont think. It is still easily my favourite drug. But i will wait the 60 days at least everytime now i think

i've been doing some reading and from what i've found so far 2C-B isn't as hard on the serotonin system as MDMA, apparently it doesn't deplete your serotonin in the same way and that's why it doesn't leave people with the same kind of comedown as MDMA. if this is true i suppose doing 2C-B maybe once a month should be okay.
 
First of all. DONT take 5-htp. It will probably make you feel worse at this stage.

How come this is? I always thought that 5-htp following mdma use was a good thing to help replenish serotonin levels. Can you go into some detail on this please?
And don't worry Abundance, it will get better. Try to surround yourself with friends and like the others said, exercise. I had a friend that was in the same kind of situation as you a long time ago and thought he would never be able to smile again but he returned back to normal completely.
 
First of all. DONT take 5-htp. It will probably make you feel worse at this stage.

How come this is? I always thought that 5-htp following mdma use was a good thing to help replenish serotonin levels. Can you go into some detail on this please?

The body can recognise 5-htp as more harmful than Tryptophan, i therefore always recommend tryptophan over 5-htp
http://www.lidtke.com/difference-between-l-tryptophan-5-htp-article
 
I always thought 2c-b was a serotonin agonist, so it doesn't consume serotonin. It only mimics a serotonin molecule and agonizes serotonin receptors...
Can someone clear this issue?
 
Both 2cb AND mdma act on serotonin.
Yes, but MDMA has very weak 5-ht2a agonist properties(relative to "traditional" psychedelic 5-ht agonists ie tryptamins/phenethylamine/ergolines). There shouldn't be much of an issue with regards to cross-tolerance if this is what you're suggesting.

edit - This applies to Nephtys' question as well.
 
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I always thought 2c-b was a serotonin agonist, so it doesn't consume serotonin. It only mimics a serotonin molecule and agonizes serotonin receptors...
Can someone clear this issue?

yeah i think you're right i recall reading this somewhere.

sorry can't provide a source but im sure googling "2c-b serotonin" will find something, i just cba.
 
Well I guess I'm back to my old self now which is nice. (Old self = Very depressed, but not: "Help every ounce of happiness has been permanently sucked out of me forever" depressed)

I didn't actually know at the time that 2c-b acted on serotin, I just thought of it as a Psychedelic and didn't think it would have the effect that it did. I never really liked 2c-b even it was just the only thing I had on hand and was kinda a spontaneous thing. How long should I wait until I take MDMA again? What other drugs can I safely take? I've snorted heroin the past two days which I have to say was quite disapointing although I think I only took very small doses, probably going to have a couple days to a week break then try some proper doses. I also have some coke although that I'm saving for a special occasion.
 
U said u just did heroin? Are u addicted to it or u just tried it a couple of times? Of u just tried it I would strongly suggest u don't try it again! Go over to the north American drug discussion section and read up in some of the heroin discussion threads. Heroin addiction is no fucking joke and.extremely hard to break. Peoples lives get consumed by the drug. I tried it a.couple of times and didn't really care for it thankgod and luckily never got hooked on it. But if I did I would've been one fucked up person I know that. More fucked up than I allready am!
 
U said u just did heroin? Are u addicted to it or u just tried it a couple of times? Of u just tried it I would strongly suggest u don't try it again! Go over to the north American drug discussion section and read up in some of the heroin discussion threads. Heroin addiction is no fucking joke and.extremely hard to break. Peoples lives get consumed by the drug. I tried it a.couple of times and didn't really care for it thankgod and luckily never got hooked on it. But if I did I would've been one fucked up person I know that. More fucked up than I allready am!
Yeah I snorted some yesterday and the day before. I didn't think it was that big of a deal although I probably took pretty small doses. I'm going to have a short break then try again with a bigger dose. I know it's no joke, I'm being careful. Although to be honest I really really don't care anymore.
 
Changed my mind, going for 3 days although today I'm gonna make sure I get a better effect. Although tomorrow I WILL start the break!

@Darksidesam - I have and nothing can be done! Let's not turn this into one of those "Dude you got problems, go talk to someone man" threads :)
 
As far as I'm aware, 2c-b doesn't flood the brain with serotonin like MDMA does, it simply binds to some of the serotonin receptors itself. This is the same as any classical psychedelic as far as I'm aware. Thus it does not deplete serotonin levels. Is that wrong?

And stay away from the benzo's when you're this unhappy. If you feel they're providing some temporary relief, it's easy to get hooked on them. That's not something you want to happen :)

Good luck. And as others have said, you will be better with time :) Hang in there

if 2C-B turns out to be nice and euphoric im going to make it my regular rave drug
 
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