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dothackers

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I'm having troubles rolling at events. I'll start with background information.

Me and my roommate have naturally(or unnaturally) high tolerance. We both took SSRIs when we were younger. We are both Chinese/Asian. We are more introverted people then crazy outgoing partiers. We tried rolling with friends for the first time with normal ~100mg dosages at a rave and never really felt anything. We asked each other and we sort of felt a buzz in the head? That's it..... This happened multiple times, even trying ~150mg. We were scared of upping our dosages. In the middle of all this attempts, we started to proper preroll/postroll.

Talking to other e-heads, they said it usually kicks in or it doesn't and feeling a build is usually for people who already built a tolerance.

Ok... attempting to roll a couple more times, now after a full meal. Me and my roommate decided to take a 1.5pill (100mg each). Meh.. 3 hours later we pop another full. Total ~250mg MDMA. We start rolling after we get home from the rave. Feels great... Chilling. etc etc. First time feeling!

We try it again at a rave weeks later... ending up starting to roll at home. Ok.. next time we time it better to allow it to kick in once at the venue. We both feel horrible. Overwhelming. Clenchy, all the bad effects. Damn, how do we have the same problems? Never start rolling. We sort of feel like we're rolling? No.

Pills have all been from the same batch so far and tested MDMA and friends all roll fine. Except us 2.


Ok, now I continue to attempt to roll without my roommate and from different batch from Silk Road(Tested same):
First time dropping 1 pill 130mg at UMF with girl. Walking through crowd when it started to kick in, overwhelming. Girl felt ok-ish walking through crowd. I felt heavy and bad, she said just too many people. Find a place to dance and such and she starts to roll hard while I just feel exhausted/overwhelmed for an hour. Never start to roll, but have dilated pupils. I guess similar problem to before.

Ok.. 2nd day UMF, I'll pop 2 before any favorite DJs. Same problem except this time I hear the music build and become VERY loud. and same heavy/exhausted feel for ~45min. then back to normal/sort of afterglow feel?. She pops one and feels GREAT. Preroll/postrolling through all this. Never having a crash.

3rd day, ok.... 1 more. I'll try and just dance when it feels heavy. Ok.... sorta feel ok? Not rolling but the heavy feeling quickly dies away and nothing happens.Girl rolls great again.

(I know the 2nd day and 3rd day can be blame on no serotonin but girl rolls great and I didn't even roll on first day to be depleted)

Anyone else have this problem? There is only ONE more scenario for me to try. Is to get myself to roll at home first then going to a rave and see what happens. If it feels overwhelming still then maybe I can't roll in public? Any thoughts opinions? And thanks for reading :) It's been a frustrating couple of months! :)
 
I kinda know what you meen. my first time rolling was at a dubstep show (borgore) and since it was my first time i didnt know what to expect or what feelings to look for. i took it when the music was just starting and the whole time i didnt feel shit. i knew the loud bassy music sounded and felt good but i didnt think it was any different than when i was sober. but when me and my freinds left in the car i started feeling way more talkative and happy than usual and realized that i was rolling. i gues its just hard to notice in a concert enviorment because the loud music and dancing is expected to induce a feeling of "extacy" in the first place.

So my suggestion is try a fairly high dose just sitting at home chillin one night and have a few drinks and after that youll know exactly what its supposed to make you feel like and be able to notice it at future concerts ect.
 
Thanks for the feedback guys! Glad to know there's others like me. The only thing is I really want to experience they ROLLING feeling at a venue! Everyone around is jumping around going crazy, tilting their heads back. And they say it's a different experience rolling outside than at home. Maybe I have some sort of enzyme deficiency!
 
dothackers said:
Thanks for the feedback guys! Glad to know there's others like me. The only thing is I really want to experience they ROLLING feeling at a venue! Everyone around is jumping around going crazy, tilting their heads back. And they say it's a different experience rolling outside than at home. Maybe I have some sort of enzyme deficiency!
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im in your same boat bro. Ive never felt a roll at a show. :( Trying again in may.
 
dothackers said:
I'm having troubles rolling at events. I'll start with background information.

Me and my roommate have naturally(or unnaturally) high tolerance. We both took SSRIs when we were younger. We are both Chinese/Asian. We are more introverted people then crazy outgoing partiers. We tried rolling with friends for the first time with normal ~100mg dosages at a rave and never really felt anything. We asked each other and we sort of felt a buzz in the head? That's it..... This happened multiple times, even trying ~150mg. We were scared of upping our dosages. In the middle of all this attempts, we started to proper preroll/postroll.

Talking to other e-heads, they said it usually kicks in or it doesn't and feeling a build is usually for people who already built a tolerance.

Ok... attempting to roll a couple more times, now after a full meal. Me and my roommate decided to take a 1.5pill (100mg each). Meh.. 3 hours later we pop another full. Total ~250mg MDMA. We start rolling after we get home from the rave. Feels great... Chilling. etc etc. First time feeling!

We try it again at a rave weeks later... ending up starting to roll at home. Ok.. next time we time it better to allow it to kick in once at the venue. We both feel horrible. Overwhelming. Clenchy, all the bad effects. Damn, how do we have the same problems? Never start rolling. We sort of feel like we're rolling? No.

Pills have all been from the same batch so far and tested MDMA and friends all roll fine. Except us 2.


Ok, now I continue to attempt to roll without my roommate and from different batch from Silk Road(Tested same):
First time dropping 1 pill 130mg at UMF with girl. Walking through crowd when it started to kick in, overwhelming. Girl felt ok-ish walking through crowd. I felt heavy and bad, she said just too many people. Find a place to dance and such and she starts to roll hard while I just feel exhausted/overwhelmed for an hour. Never start to roll, but have dilated pupils. I guess similar problem to before.

Ok.. 2nd day UMF, I'll pop 2 before any favorite DJs. Same problem except this time I hear the music build and become VERY loud. and same heavy/exhausted feel for ~45min. then back to normal/sort of afterglow feel?. She pops one and feels GREAT. Preroll/postrolling through all this. Never having a crash.

3rd day, ok.... 1 more. I'll try and just dance when it feels heavy. Ok.... sorta feel ok? Not rolling but the heavy feeling quickly dies away and nothing happens.Girl rolls great again.

(I know the 2nd day and 3rd day can be blame on no serotonin but girl rolls great and I didn't even roll on first day to be depleted)

Anyone else have this problem? There is only ONE more scenario for me to try. Is to get myself to roll at home first then going to a rave and see what happens. If it feels overwhelming still then maybe I can't roll in public? Any thoughts opinions? And thanks for reading :) It's been a frustrating couple of months! :)
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Hey, first of all don't roll 3 times in a row, it'll destroy your serotonin system hehe. Second of all the effects you are describing are very familiar with me. When I dose too low everything looks and feels pretty confusing and it just feels awkward, I'm not sober, but not really rolling either. I have a high tolerance just like you, and I can only properly roll on 180 mg's. Your first dose is the most important of all. It depends on your first dose how fast the come-up will be, and how hard you will roll. Next time if you're going at a rave try a higher dose. Something like 180 MG's on the first drop, and don't redose. I bet you will have an amazing time :)
 
It appears MDMA is very erratic and indifferent with regards to dose thresholds for different people. I for one found I experienced nothing for 2 hours with a small-ish dose (dabbled some crystals, not sure how much) then I took an ever so slightly larger dose 2 hours after my first and rolled for 5-6 hours with an incredible peak of absolute love, empathy and happiness - it was bliss! My friend took a similar amount at the same times and felt barely anything all night. I'm taller and heavier than him so based on weight he should need a smaller dose if we assume erowid and 1.5mg/kg to be accurate. It was both our first time so tolerance can play no part. I think there may be a personal threshold for each user and i've tried to find some research on this but to no avail.

Hopefully some future research can look into the non-linear dosing phenominons that occur.

Try up to 200mg's of tested MDMA as any more is said to be far more neurotoxic. If you still can't roll in social situations maybe its anxiety inhibiting the roll? people seem to find problems rolling when they're very anxious, do you feel strong anxieties at a rave/club etc? It might explain the dissociation of experience between settings.
 
I feel very uncomfortable rolling around strangers, and being uncomfortable on MDMA is a great way to kill the setting. I also took SSRI's when I was younger, but that was years ago and should be irrelevant. Last time I rolled at a festival I felt very uncomfortable and as soon as I got to the hotel room, BAM hit me like a train (it was purely the setting, I had already been at the festival for 2 hours and was peaking when I left.) MDMA depends on a comfortable setting to let go and fully enjoy the experience. I suggest getting some Armin Van Buuren ASoT mixes and getting Winamp with MilkDrop visualizer and try that at home. Works for me, especially if you can get it on a nice big bright plasma screen and some jamming speakers and subwoofers.
 
severely etarded said:
I feel very uncomfortable rolling around strangers, and being uncomfortable on MDMA is a great way to kill the setting. I also took SSRI's when I was younger, but that was years ago and should be irrelevant. Last time I rolled at a festival I felt very uncomfortable and as soon as I got to the hotel room, BAM hit me like a train (it was purely the setting, I had already been at the festival for 2 hours and was peaking when I left.) MDMA depends on a comfortable setting to let go and fully enjoy the experience. I suggest getting some Armin Van Buuren ASoT mixes and getting Winamp with MilkDrop visualizer and try that at home. Works for me, especially if you can get it on a nice big bright plasma screen and some jamming speakers and subwoofers.
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yep.. i have a friend that has this same problem.. he always rolls hardest after the event is over...

the other thing everyone needs to consider is that MDMA does not work for everyone; some people just never get the (amazing) experience from it that others get (as is the case with many drugs)... to the OP, here is what i would suggest... get yourself a batch of known good pills/powder,etc... e.g. something like enough of the same batch to allow you to roll 5-10x... this allows you to A/B the experience without having to worry if the pill MDMA content/formula is changing every time... then you can start with a baseline dose of like 150 mg and literally time how and when the effects come... for you you may well have to dose several hours before the event you want to roll at and this will allow you to dial in the numbers as close as possible...
 
Thanks! I'll try a couple of more times before I give up. I've been weighing it out to make sure everything's right and all (while my friends just take whatever and work everytime) so I have the dosages controlled. I already ruined many many good DJ nights from Fedde Le Grand to Armin!
 
Try rolling at home, duh lol... seems obvious.


Do not roll 3 days in a row though, please. Even if you didnt roll the first day, your serotonin system is going to be shot. If you take MDMA but dont feel it, you still reach the peak serotonin level that makes it so you cant roll again for a while... this is often shown when someone takes a tiny first dose, then tries to re-dose a ton later to get the roll going, it usually doesnt work at all.


Take a 3 month break, and a FAT ass dose (150+ I would say... you seem to need it...) and I bet you'll be on top of the world. Some people just cannot roll though, unfortunately, your SSRI use may be blocking it...

try reading through this thread:
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/...rk-for-me-quot-thread?p=10481125#post10481125

It may give you an idea if it wont work at all, or you're just not taking enough.


I would only try once or twice to roll again though.... if you cant roll and keep taking MDMA your bound to be damaging your serotonin system in some way
 
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