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My friends the state of the scene is in serious trouble...

Salandrion

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This past weekend I munched down the last of my tested powder that I had been holding onto since the previous July. Having bought my test kit months after this purchase, I was relieved to know that I lucked out, even though I knew what I had was pure from the love and clean euphoria it gave me. Nevertheless the hunt has began again, and I am very much less confident that she will make an appearance for me this summer.

Granted, I live in a state that is traditionally bad for quality MDMA proliferated freely, that doesn't mean its unobtainable but rather that it would take a serious amount of luck to find your way into the inner circles that distribute the good stuff. I was extremely dismayed when I tested 2 molly's from respected people in the scene and found them to be Methylone and Non-reactive. Admittedly due to the fact that I was under the influence, I'm lucky that the one dealer wasn't massively pissed when I exposed his product in front of his face at the event that I attended. Very cool dude, who was shocked at the results and almost in disbelief of the reliability of the kit itself. This gave me an incredible revelation that MDMA could be on its last breath towards mainstream extinction in summer of 2012.


The electronic music scene is exploding in the United States beyond epic proportions. Without a doubt supply will likely never meet demand here as most MDMA is produced outside of the country due to strict precursor scheduling. We are about to experience a massive shift in mainstream music popularity that has a specific drug associated with its scene, Ecstasy. The problem arrises when not the new kids entering the scene get piped and don't know it, but the old heads that have been around since the early 90s can't tell the difference between the RC's they're getting and the drug that made them fall in love with the scene in the first place. This summer will see a massive increase in "Ecstasy" related injuries and possible deaths due to adulterants and conspicuous consumption that will garner national media attention. This is why we as a community must act now.

I don't know how to go about it, or what channels to go through, but the members of Bluelight that are located in the United States need to formulate a plan to bring DanceSafe and the Trip Project into media attention. There will be a critical moment where the media will grip, and demonize ecstasy as they did in the late 90s and early 2000's but the issue will be exposing the reality that its the dangerous alternatives to ecstasy that are actually causing the harm which will alter public opinion towards harm reduction rather than prevention.

So if you are still with me after this long post, I thank you and welcome any constructive comments and or criticisms you have. We will never have the luxury that European countries do with being neighbors to sensible public policy. If we don't act, not only will the drug we love become extinct, but the aspects of raving (in a ravers case) will largely disappear as the Unity and Responsibility aspect of PLURR will become massively irrelevant.

Much love and keep on keeping on...
 
There are plenty of other threads like this, and on the front page no less...

the scene in the US is pretty fucked these days, no one knows what they're taking. Hell people send in samples to ecstasydata, and even they cant identify them... all you can do it test. The more people we get to demand REAL MDMA, the sooner we can turn this around.
 
I think that the main problem with mdma not being sufficient to pass out to everyone else is because people seem to take too much mdma in the first place 8) (and no that is not a shot at you necessarily OP,)
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Okay reopened it, lets see a bit of discussion on this i guess, was a well wrote out post really
 
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I agree, most of my friends would be able to confirm that more often than not I attend raves soberish. I follow the 1-3 month rule to a T which is why a Gram lasted me since last July. I think that the public has to help bring DanceSafe and the Trip project into the limelight. I disagree that PLURR doesn't exist anymore. It doesn't exist in the United States. We don't have Tecknivals, and we don't have FreeTekno parties. Now as Darksidesam said they have an issue with over-consumption in Europe, but how often do you hear about people getting PMMA'd? Not for a long time at least. Granted I don't agree that the 90's rave era was completely due to drugs, but I believe that a large amount of what is considered bad JuJu in the scene today could be cured by that ratio of drug taking individuals having access to cleaner drugs. You have access to it because you care about finding it. Most people assume the ecstasy quality is the same as it was in the early 2000's and don't know any better, thus don't care to buy a test kit because they get it "from people they trust" I.E. the same people they've been buying from when they had access to good stuff, but don't realize they're getting RC's or bunk stuff. I'm talking about thinking outside of your own consumption.

Edit: Btw Kindbuds, nice response. It is a long winded post, but the intention was spark some critical thinking as to how BL can reasonably help combat the issue in the US.
 
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The problem is that testing kits cant just be bought at headshops or smoke shops, theyre only available from 1 (maybe a handful of) source(s)... on top of that, a very small percentage of the EDM event attending community is aware of the availability of a test.
Exactly.
They should be so much more readily available.
Here in the UK one of the headshops that sold lots of varieties of them has stopped selling them altogether
 
Nice post - It's a bit of a 22 catch situation.

Ecstasy is illegal so they will not allow testing at festivals / events - as there is no testing people are consuming random chemicals and are dying. These deaths are then 'wrongly' associated with Ecstasy and the law gets tougher on production etc. Promoters are unwilling to allow posters etc about safe drug use this is in theory accepting that drugs are going to be used (and they risk not getting a permit).

What you can do is educate people at the events your going to - print out 10 of the most commonly reported 'Fake' pills in your area (pillreports)- hand them out to a few people when waiting to get in. Make sure you have the pillreports website shown which may just spark interest.

(or make a list on your phone so you can send to anyone interested at the event).
 
I would like to start promoting PR and posted a thread about it in the PR forums, still waiting on approval from staff though. I am willing to pay out of my own pocket for some business cards with the site name/logo, web address and a small mission statement but only want to do this is the mods are OK with it.
 
I would like to start promoting PR and posted a thread about it in the PR forums, still waiting on approval from staff though. I am willing to pay out of my own pocket for some business cards with the site name/logo, web address and a small mission statement but only want to do this is the mods are OK with it.

I think this is a good idea LuGo, grassroots flyering would be a really good start. If DanceSafe could make printable, professional looking flyers that could be distributed for free I feel like it would do a lot. Imagine if a team of 10-100 people at Ultra alone were handing out slips of paper to people making them aware of testing kits and even a few factoids about the state of adulterants in E. That would relieve the promoters from any liability, and as well spreads information about testing. PR would be a great one too. If we could clean up the pressed scene necessarily the Molly scene would get better too.
 
^ if you wait around for others to do everything, nothing gets done. you think this is important - what are you going to do?

alasdair
 
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There are plenty of other threads like this, and on the front page no less...

the scene in the US is pretty fucked these days, no one knows what they're taking. Hell people send in samples to ecstasydata, and even they cant identify them... all you can do it test. The more people we get to demand REAL MDMA, the sooner we can turn this around.

THIS!!!! Dude, i have had dealers SWEAR in front of my face that their cut-out bart simpsons (2009) were straight MDMA....everything is fucked...every should be like you and get a testing kit...this is why i only do 4-fa when i want to "roll" (enjoy a euphoric serotonin-stimulant) now-a-days......the scene is indeed FUCKED...has been since probably 2006 bro
 
^ if you wait around for others to do everything, nothing gets done. you think this is impotrtant - what are you going to do?

alasdair

Well I can't really distribute materials on behalf on an organization without their consent. As well I have put my personal reputation at risk within my scene (a very small one at that) testing peoples shit and exposing dealers. I am lucky that I go to school and am not a heavy regular as I have began to get a reputation as being a "molly snob." I would be more than happy to distribute information on behalf of PR or DanceSafe. I also think it would be a really good idea for their to be a community push for the TripProject among Bluelighters. I would be more than happy to draft a petition/letter to representatives, but I can only submit these letters in the state I live in PA.
 
^ my point was that i see so many posts on here which say "somebody should...".

i didn't mean to single you out. it was more of a general observation - there are lots of things we can do ourselves...

alasdair
 
You know, I've always thought this is pretty weird. I live in the Netherlands, where MDMA manufacturing is as illegal as anywhere, and which additionaly a very densely populated country. Yet there seem to be lots of MDMA labs, as it is very easy to acquire good pills or crystals for a relatively low price. Why is it so different in the US, where there are many very sparsely populated areas where you could easily start an illegal lab?

Partially this is of course because there are government-sanctioned test centra so it is harder to scam people, but that can't be the only reason.
 
You know, I've always thought this is pretty weird. I live in the Netherlands, where MDMA manufacturing is as illegal as anywhere, and which additionaly a very densely populated country. Yet there seem to be lots of MDMA labs, as it is very easy to acquire good pills or crystals for a relatively low price. Why is it so different in the US, where there are many very sparsely populated areas where you could easily start an illegal lab?

Partially this is of course because there are government-sanctioned test centra so it is harder to scam people, but that can't be the only reason.

I think its a cultural thing to a degree. Even the scam tabs you have are adulterated with relatively fun alternatives...ie 2c family. There is a huge outbreak of misinformation about the effects of MDMA that are rearing its ugly head from 20 years of public school drug war shlock. We used to get bookmarks with pictures of rave drugs in Middle School with their side effects. E was always "taken to withstands long hours of dancing and stay up for long periods of time" So naturally people think when they get floored that its cut with heroin or some other BS thats not true. People ask "will it F*** me up?" and thats all they care about when purchasing e.
 
I started a thread bout 2 months ago calling on everybody to do a million man e march on Washington but sadly nobody responded in it :(
 
Solution: Move to the UK.


If anyone actually moved to a different continent for easier access to MDxx I would have to question their sanity. Especially when you consider that supply and draughts change over the years, nothing lasts forever unfortunately. If I remember correctly the mid 2000’s were very bad for brits, especially when those sharks were in heavy circulation. Then you guys struck gold. I hope you guys enjoy it while it lasts and stock up for when that inevitable day comes.
 
I think its a cultural thing to a degree. Even the scam tabs you have are adulterated with relatively fun alternatives...ie 2c family. There is a huge outbreak of misinformation about the effects of MDMA that are rearing its ugly head from 20 years of public school drug war shlock. We used to get bookmarks with pictures of rave drugs in Middle School with their side effects. E was always "taken to withstands long hours of dancing and stay up for long periods of time" So naturally people think when they get floored that its cut with heroin or some other BS thats not true. People ask "will it F*** me up?" and thats all they care about when purchasing e.
There really aren't many scam tabs, and if you get them most don't contain any active ingredient. A while ago there was a shortage and there were some MCPP tablets around, but nowadays most pills you buy just contain MDMA. It is actually a common myth that most pills are cut with amphetamine, while this is only true for a very small percentage of pills.

I think the attitude you refer to is not the cause of the adulterating of e tablets, but an effect of people getting used to adulterated pills. I think you overestimate the drug knowledge of dutch people. I've heard many stupid drug myths over the years, although the idea that XTC pills have speed in them most of the time is the most pervasive.
 
I'll reply to it . I'll start babe by stating you truly are a horses ass. And will this march be a one way ticket Also I need notice before you leave and access to the funds. Oxox
 
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