• CD Moderators: someguyontheinternet
  • Cannabis Discussion Welcome Guest
    Posting Rules Bluelight Rules

[MEGA] Synthetic Cannabinoid Discussion - Take 3

Status
Not open for further replies.
I cannot believe, given the wealth of information on this site regarding the harmful effects of synthetic cannabinoids, that there are still people here using them. If and when you begin to suffer, you know who to blame.
 
Please don't mention specific brands of legal high.

Moving over to Cannabis Discussion
 
I smoked probably an ounce and half of pre-2011 legal buds... but that shit was not like strains 2011 and later. Everything after 2011, IMO, feels like a nasty chemical high. I did it 2 times since 2011 and absolutely hate it and had my best friend break into my house becauses he's crazy. 7/10 people recover after a week or two of these effects, and atipsychotic don't seem to speed up recovery. Source is a military pschy ward report about soldiers getting admitted for this shit. I do NOT fuck with blends.

Mr. Haze
 
I believe it has been - as well as what Lab first started doing this (Redwood or something...?). We had a member tell a story about getting kicked out when their Superior saw them smoking something that resembled cannabis.

My friend was also kicked out for testing positive for JWH-018, not too long ago. He was caught smoking on base (in the US, not deployed) and was dishonorably discharged, after serving two tours.
 
AB-001 and JTE-907 together in a legal herbal blend?

Ive found out that a local legal herbal blend contains, AB-001 a full agonist that shows more affinity for CB2 than CB1, and also JTE-907 (MN-001) which is a known CB2 inverse agonist. Im trying to deduce what would be the reason for putting an agonist and inverse agonist together in the same blend...would it be to decrease duration of the agonist? Or to protect against massive tolerance to the agonist? Anyone ever heard of this, or want to wager an opinion??
 
Interesting but not ADD material, if you have more of a question than a discussion please post it in the big and banging thread.
But, it comes down to really dirty pharmacokinetic and binding affinity differences as far as the "true" net effect is. My thought is its just someone throwing a bunch of stuff in the blend to get the "label wow" factor while inadvertently decreasing the desired effect. But, who knows cannabinoid receptors have some interesting responses.
 
They could just say that on the label who knows what the fuck a "legal blend" contains....im not trying to put you down but these legal blends are fucking bullshit and you should just order the isolated chemical itself and spray it on something or consume it....im not being a hypocrite because not too long ago i bought something called NRG-2 or something thinking it was 4-fa (as told by the STUPID FUCKING smoke shop owner) and later on i looked it up and it was on Ecstasydata.org (a testing sight) AS PURE CAFFEINE!!!!! it was 45 dollars too.....
 
Thanks all, I was told by the person who manufactures it that those compounds are in there, but youre right there is not way to tell...the guy just stuck me as a smart fellow so I figured that there was some good reason that those two compounds were in the blend together possibly to mediate some unwanted side effects from full CB2 agonism. So please save the responses if youre trying to educate me on the dangers of people trying to profiteer these legal highs, im well aware of the tricks...I just have those specific questions.
 
Coumarin - Found in mulleins

Is this something that blend smokers need to be concerned about? I know mullein is found in many blends, it's the fuzzy herb afaik.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coumarins

Toxicity and use in foods, beverages, tobacco, and cosmetics

Coumarin is moderately toxic to the liver and kidneys, with a "Median Lethal Dose" (LD50) of 275 mg/kg — low compared to related compounds. Although only somewhat dangerous to humans, coumarin is a potent rodenticide: Rats and other rodents metabolize it largely to 3,4-coumarin epoxide, a toxic compound that can cause internal hemorrhage and death. Humans metabolize it largely to 7-hydroxycoumarin, a compound of lower toxicity. The German Federal Institute for Risk Assessment has established a "tolerable daily intake" (TDI) of 0.1 mg coumarin per kg body weight, but also advises, [if] this level is exceeded for a short time only, there is no threat to health.[11] For example, a person weighing 60 kg (about 132 lbs) would have a TDI of approximately 6.0 mg of coumarin.

European health agencies have warned against consuming high amounts of cassia bark, one of the four species of cinnamon, because of its coumarin content.[12] According to the German Federal Institute for Risk Assessment, 1 kg of (cassia) cinnamon powder contains approximately 2.1 to 4.4 g of coumarin.[13] Powdered Cassia Cinnamon weighs 0.56 g/cc;[14] therefore, 1 kg of Cassia Cinnamon powder is equal to 362.29 teaspoons (1000 g divided by 0.56 g/cc multiplied by 0.20288 tsp/cc). This means 1 teaspoon of cinnamon powder contains 5.8 to 12.1 mg of coumarin, which may be above the Tolerable Daily Intake for smaller individuals.[13] However, it is important to note that the German Federal Institute for Risk Assessment only cautions against high daily intakes of foods containing coumarin. Chamomile, a common herbal tea, also contains coumarin.
Coumarin is often found in tobacco products and artificial vanilla substitutes, despite having been banned as a food additive in numerous countries since the mid-20th century. Coumarin was banned as a food additive in the United States in 1954, largely because of hepatotoxicity results in rodents.[15] OSHA considers this compound to be only a lung-specific carcinogen, and "not classifiable as to its carcinogenicity to humans".[16] Coumarin was banned as an adulterant in cigarettes by tobacco companies in 1997, but due to the lack of reporting requirements to the US Department of Health and Human Services it was still being used as a flavoring additive in pipe tobacco.[citation needed] Coumarin is currently listed by the United States Food and Drug Administration (FDA) among "Substances Generally Prohibited From Direct Addition or Use as Human Food", according to 21 CFR 189.130,[17][18] but some natural additives containing coumarin, such as sweet woodruff (Galium odoratum) due to its coumarin odor, are allowed "in alcoholic beverages only" (21 CFR 172.510).[19] In Europe, such beverages are very popular, for example Maiwein (white wine with woodruff) and Żubrówka (vodka flavoured with bison grass). However, the coumarin content of these drinks is said to cause headaches.
Coumarin should be avoided by people with perfume allergy.[20]

It's also listed as an acetylcholinesterase inhibitor.
 
I just purchased a few grams of UR-144, and unfortunately didn't get any other cannabinoids to go with it for multiple reasons. One of the most unfortunate reason is the HUGE number of banned cannabinoids Texas has. Its one of the most ridiculous list I've ever seen in my life, all unresearch chemicals all thrown in schedule I for the state. It makes me very sad. However, I'm very glad I have a some UR-144 on its way. Its a relatively low affinity full CB1 agonist compared to the known number of cannabinoids out there but in reality the ki value really isn't that big, and the efficacy of it could be quite good. It is a potent affinity full CB2 agonist also. The reports I've read on a few random threads on BL and on other forums is that it mixes wonderful with other cannabinoids like some am-xxx ones I don't remember the name of and I think jwh-122 but don't use quote me on any of this, it is said by some that it feels a lot closer to real marijuana than other strains, and last 1.5 hours with a diminishing effects to 2 hours. The duration is pretty similar from the the sound of it to marijuana after smoking marijuana on a regular basis. I've also heard it has a little dissociating properties to it. Just wish I had a little more cash to purchase some MXE to go with, but unfortunately I didn't.

I'm going to using the UR-144 on top of methadone (alone) and clonazepam (methadone and the kpins). I'm working on switching my clonazepam script over to a alprazolam script so I may be able to see how it mixes with that as well. I don't really have anything exciting to mix it with I'll be honest. The only thing I'm interested in how it will interact is with the methadone.

If anyone has any good information on the drug, or any personal experiences please let me know. It is hard to search through BL when your typing UR-144 into the search bar.

I'm really excited as I don't have a weed connect in TX as all my connect for most drugs under the sun are in another country or in NC. It'll be nice to be able to get high once again after not smoking weed since the end of september after being a daily smoker for years and years. It will also help with the random drug tests my neurologist gives me sometimes when I come and pick up a refill for my methadone, so I dno't have to piss my pants if I have weed in my system.

I know no prices or source discussion, but god damn, I bout pissed my pants with the price per g I got on this. Can't wait to piss my pants again with joy.
 
Yup Chainer, I completely agree with you. K2 is the best example of Synthetic marijuana. Synthetic marijuana is also known as "Fake Weeds". Fake weed products are legal, and their use has grown since they were first introduced in 2002. They don't trigger a positive result on a urine drug test and are marketed as being "100% organic herbs, insinuating that they are natural and completely safe.

The truth is, none of the products on the market are completely natural. They all have been found to contain various synthetic cannabinoids, chemicals produced in laboratories originally to help scientists study the cannabinoid system in the human.

What Happens When You Smoke Synthetic Marijuana?
It's important to remember that we have no scientific studies on the effects smoking the herbal blend products has on humans. Some studies conducted on mice indicated that the use of synthetic cannabinoids were similar to those of marijuana.

There are several "reviews" published on the Internet of some of the individual brand names, some of them by individual bloggers, but others published by reputable journalists.

The consensus seems to be that smoking the fake weed products will produce a high similar to smoking marijuana, but it doesn't last as long. However, other reviewers said the result was more of a relaxed feeling, rather than the "head high" that real marijuana produces.

None of the herbal smoking blends reviewed got great marks for taste, and another reviewer said they were more "harsh" than marijuana and that they "make your throat burn and your lungs ache" long after you smoke.

What Are the Long-Term Effects?
We simply do not know. There have been no studies conducted on what effects the synthetic cannabinoids may have on the body and brain. Of course, smoking any substance could have negative affects on the lungs, but we have no scientific evidence concerning the specific use of these fake marijuana products.

We do have a warning from one of the scientists who helped develop the JWH-018 chemical. While studying the effects of pharmaceuticals on the brain, a student of John Huffman, Clemson University research professor of chemistry, discovered the chemical JWH-018, also known by the name 1-Pentyl-3-(1-naphthoyl)indole.

The problem with JWH-018 is that absolutely nothing is known regarding its toxicity or metabolites," Huffman warned. "Therefore, it is potentially dangerous and should not be used.
 
Unfortunately i found this stuff to be convenient and then very addictive. I've been smoking this blend, which has catnip in it, for 8 weeks everyday. the first 4 weeks i was away from home and had never tried it/didn't know much about it, and so i thought it was harmless enough.... Anyway, all this stuff apparently will be off the shelf in a month, but i would like to stop asap. I'm smoking 1.5 grams a day roughly

can anyone relate to my use and give me some idea of what to expect in terms of WD's? I find that i feel physically flat, anxious and bored and struggle to function in the times where i've not had it for 24-36 hours. I'd like to not use real weed, but i've heard that it can help coming off the synths
 
Has any smokers of synthetic marijuana ever throw in any tobacco and spliff it up, it that possible or would the negative effects be accelerated , or maybe it would help?
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Top