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would you ever turn anyone onto drugs?

tweakyb said:
Would you be okay with it if you gave your best friend his/her first ever line of Heroin, continued using with them, and then 3 months later theyre a junkie? Is there nothing wrong with that? 8) Im not trying to come off as a dick, but just merely asking this question that came to mind. I feel that theres a very fine line when it comes to what substance to introduce to certain people.
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Okay, you definitely have a point. I've only introduced weed, painkiller-type stuff and coke and luckily none of them are strongly addicted now, as I like to say I am not either..so I guess I've only seen the "fun" side of things so far. Correcting my statement above-I don't see the harm in introducing CERTAIN substances to people.

Thank you for the correction, seriously you made me think quite a bit!
 
It wasnt meant as a correction at all. Just fishing for some info through a scenario that we honestly cannot deny happens more than wed like :)
 
And to add to that I ALWAYS give all the info on it..I feel I owe it to that person, you know? I know I would never take something new without researching beforehand or having someone I trust explain it all to me
 
SplatChrome said:
People who blame others for their addictions for the most part imo are just trying to avoid holding themselves responsible for their own actions (this applies to those with some understanding about how addictive drugs are, and aren't very mentally unstable).
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Yeah I'd agree with that 100%. I'd feel bad if someone I introduced to opiates (never did IRL though) became an addict but the bottom line is they made that choice. I'd feel no more guiltier than the pharmaceutical CEOS or an Afghan opium farmer.
 
I wish I had been like that when I was younger :| I thought "Oh, Heroin? Sure, why not?" 2 months later BAM, habit... The whole group I got high with was either on Dope or Meth. I grew apart from them (and my habit) as soon as they started either: dying, ODing, or going to jail.
 
tweakyb said:
It wasnt meant as a correction at all. Just fishing for some info through a scenario that we honestly cannot deny happens more than wed like :)
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Oh dont worry about it, it is greatly appreciated :) and i must agree, it does happen much more than we'd like
 
i happened to be in a situation where some friends of mine got me dope...i can't talk to either of them now because 1 is in jail and another 1 is in another state in a rehab because his family is the wealthiest family i've ever met. i was the one with the dealer friends but those guys specifically said that they would never sell that shit to me because they said i was better than that...these 2 guys already had the habit so when id take them to get it and watch as 1 snorted it and 1 shot it over and over even though they'd ALWAYS tell me "this shit sucks don't ever do it-it'll ruin your life" it's not so easy to believe when both of them were able to get so much money from their wealthy parents to get me some coke with as well as their heroin-i can only blame myself for letting curiosity get the best of me and trying it...but i will say-i did it about 4 times before i could say i was addicted to it...
that being said-i am NOT from a rich family and my family would NOT say "just tell me how much it'll cost for you to be high everyday before you to to rehab because i'd rather give you the money than watch you steal" so i'm obviously very broke all the time and i am a mom of 2 little boys and i don't have the time to be sick enough to quit or that much money to go to a rehab for a decent amount of time-i would never wish any sort of habit on ANYONE and i wont help anyone get anything-even if i thought it might be to my benefit because my life is ruined and it would've been so different if i hadn't smoked my first bowl and done my first line of coke the same day-apparently i have an addictive personality. :(
 
I tell my good friend about the times when I get high on 6-apb and other stimulants and I tell him that I'd love to share the experience with him and other mutual friends, he tells me he is interested and curious. I only ask him to try it with us because we are all very decent people, get high in safe environments and we are all pretty experienced, but he tells me he is worried about getting "addicted" because I tell him how euphoric it is and he said he would want to feel like that all the time. My friend just doesn't believe me when I say you won't feel like that or at least most of the people I know don't feel like that the first time you try 6-apb and other stims.
 
I really feel if somebody falls into the trap then its their fault. Nobody elses. As long as you are not provoking, you cannot be at guilt. Poor decisions people make in their life should have their own consequences. Again, as long as you do not provoke their behavior. Them coming to you after repeatedly is their own mistake. As long as you do not reach out to them
 
Oh man, my real reason to call myself an asshole after my using: the tendency to spread it around! More the merrier!

When I was IVing heroin unto itself there was little urge for me to introduce people - although some destructive, less-connected friends did appeal for it. But once I felt the euphoria of a speedball rush, all of a sudden some sense of civic responsibility blossomed in my booming soul town, and I started offering it to all my college graduate friends, thinking, I don't know, they're mature and smart enough to handle this better than I am. Well, one OD'd on me, and with no experience had to sit for 15 minutes doing chest compressions, along with everything else to revive the guy. I kept him up for three hours and watched his breathing for hours after his OD to be sure he'd make it, but before he fell back to what I'm sure was the fastest sleep of his life, and his clearing up about 3 hours after the shot that nearly killed him, he got to stare in disbelief as I dosed myself up again several times after the traumatic incident.

Honestly, I don't know if the people I introduced to the stuff will be okay in terms of addiction. On the other hand, they are all massively intelligent people, and I took at least an hour running through all the negatives with them, and they said yes.
 
I would never turn anyone on to anything addictive. I've turned friends on to weed and salvia, but I'd never get anyone into benzos, opiates, stimulants....I've fucked myself over many a time with drugs, but I've managed to get a bit more responsible over time. But no, I'd feel way too responsible if someone I turned onto a drug developed a bad habit.
 
If I do drugs in front of someone and they ask me to give them some, I'd be quite the hypocrite if I said "no, drugs are bad for you!". They might even try and get the drugs by themselves so that they could later in a similiar situation throw the counter-argument "but I take them already anyway..."

I feel like I'm 100% responsible for my own drug use, I can't blame ANYONE for the fact that I have willingly ingest a drug, it's not like they held a gun to my head and told me I have to. So if a friend asks me to give something I'd use for them to try, I make sure to tell them of all the good things and the bad things, warn them of the risks etc beforehand. If they later develop a problem, it's their own fault. I don't like the baby-sitting mentality of our society, I think all drugs should be freely and legally available to everyone so who am I to say who can use what and who can't?

I never push drugs to anyone though if they ask about my own use, I will be honest and tell them how/why I value them as tools. If someone is taking (illegal) drugs anyway, I might ask if they wanted to try X drug for the first time with me if I believe it could be helpful to them.
 
I've several times made the mistake of giving friends some suboxone. At the time, my head was pretty fucked up, but my intentions were not at all to harm them. I thought "they want to try opiates, buprenorphine is much safer than oxy or vicodin.." Of course I gave them two mg, thinking it was a low dosage at the time (I had been taking 24 mg). Of course these guys got majorly fucked up, and it scared the death out of me. I hear similar stories to this too, because people just don't fully understand the potency of buprenorphine, even if it IS a partial agonist.
 
Wow, never heard a story like that about subs. I was expecting something like, friends are opiate addicts, gave em subs while I was fucked, they devoured them and were sick for not waiting 24 hrs to take em. The first time I used subs to come off, I was in a fuzzy disconnected state all around, so I guess it makes sense, but 2mgs seems abnormally low, not that I am questioning that it could happen.
 
motherofearth said:
Wow, never heard a story like that about subs. I was expecting something like, friends are opiate addicts, gave em subs while I was fucked, they devoured them and were sick for not waiting 24 hrs to take em. The first time I used subs to come off, I was in a fuzzy disconnected state all around, so I guess it makes sense, but 2mgs seems abnormally low, not that I am questioning that it could happen.
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First time I tried it was 0.4 mg I believe and it was quite a ride for someone without any real tolerance to opioids. I think bupe should be left as a maintenance drug though so personally I wouldn't use it or offer it as recreation to someone... but you know what they say about exception proving the rule? :P

I mean atleast I have the kind of hard-headed personality that has to test it by themselves before accepting the idea that bupe is best left for maintenance in case things get really messy with opiates. Definately don't want bupe to be the substance that messes things up in the first place.
 
FnX said:
Definately don't want bupe to be the substance that messes things up in the first place.
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Yes, I completely agree. I would always feel like prefacing any posts with a long back story, preemptively silencing any doubters. Because people have problems with most things that have potential to be problems.

Anyway, here's to me totally underestimating the bupe!
 
I turned my 20-30mg hydrocodone using friend on to Kratom since he was starting to chase the hydro high again. He really likes Bali Kratom at 5-6 grams, and uses hydro 1-2 times a month now, instead of 2-3 times a week.

I feel that more people with baby opiate habits should try Kratom before they spiral out of control with Heroin/Oxy/Opana.
 
Depends on the person whether I would or wouldn't and depends on the drug.

I advocate clean MDMA/Ecstacy use to everybody to try at least once in their lives...

Beyond that it is entirely on the person... Psychedelics are very touchy and I would be very careful on that one. Unless I know somebody on a very personal level I would not place myself into a situation of bringing out repressed thoughts and memories... I can see with some friends of mine that maybe it could help them, but the negatives could end up outweighing the benefits...
Again this is entirely on the person.

I've introduced a couple people to Opiates, and Stimulants and everyone of them ended up having a major downfall. Some of the biggest regreats of my life really, but we live and we learn... We all sort of crashed down at the same time, realizing we were using way to much and becoming junkies (Heroin) and using pharmaceutical Opiates, as well as Methamphetamine all the way to Speedballing to get that great feeling... Most of my friends wouldn't go that far though... (Heroin & Meth) But they would be fine with pharmaceutical drugs...


In the end I wouldn't introduce any others to drugs, unless they are already using something... Example: If somebody does some speed or coke and I've witnessed it, I'll do it in front of them. If they have done certain drugs and still do, I will share it.... But if they haven't I just say No or just never mention it.
Most of the people I associate myself with know me as "that guy" because of my history, but it doesn't matter...
Drug use is a personal thing.
 
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