• 🇳🇿 🇲🇲 🇯🇵 🇨🇳 🇦🇺 🇦🇶 🇮🇳
    Australian & Asian
    Drug Discussion

    Welcome Guest!
    Posting Rules Bluelight Rules
  • AADD Moderators: Tronica

4-methylaminorex (4mar) Santa's X'mas present for us Adelaideians?

p-man said:
12-18hrs after dosing on 4-mar I had been up for quite some time, was quite cooked/paranoid, physically and mentally drained. But I remember still having that euphoric feeling inside me and even though I was pretty fried.. that euphoric feeling stayed inside me in some sense. To this day, I have come across very high quality Meth that has given me a somewhat similar experience, but it has always been lacking and always will be lacking that 'magic' that 4-mar has IMO. Not sure if that all makes sense, apologies in adv if it sounds like I'm just ranting with random shit
[/scattered post]
Click to expand...

I agree, i think word overwhelming perfectly fits to describe effects of 4-mar,
it does make sense, i have felt euphoria even next day i woke up, only for few hours but still..i guess it calls U4EA for a reason ;)
about redosing, i`ve been doing meth for 7 long years so i know how it affects my mind and body.. i redose every few hours,even oh high quality meth,
on 4-mar i rarely redose... also last time ive had it, 1,2gr was enough for 2 weeks,flying high pretty much everyday,
gram of pure d-meth on other hand lasts me at most 2 to 4 days.
 
I think its amazing substance but very very dangerous in wrong hands.. don`t get me wrong, it is my favorite number 1 substance
Its barely neurotoxic at reasonable doses, much much less neurotoxic than meth or mdma, more euphoric, but it has much lower LD-50 than meth or mdma.

4-MAR`s LD-50=(70mg per kg of body weight) in humans, according to first ever direct death from 4-mar toxicity,dating back in 1986 Florida.
reference: Davis FT, Brewster ME. "A Fatality Involving U4EuH, a Cyclic Derivative of Phenylpropanolamine". Journal of Forensic Sciences. Mar 1988;33(2):549-553
so it will take around 5 grams to kill 75kg person, where with meth it will take 40+ grams to kill 75kg person.
LD-50 is approximation of the dose at which 50% of the test subjects would die, so i can not be sure in exact number of grams and milligrams,
Another minus, is that you can not take benzodiazepins while high on 4-mar, there has been few deaths associated with benzos administration(wiki and erowid has references)

For Example: In a situation when a person is brought to emergency room with suspected methamphetamine overdose,
doctors will first administer IV diazepam to prevent seizures, convulsions, violent or delusional behavior etc,
before flushing stomach and circulatory system, its a standard procedure.
Because symptoms of meth OD and 4-mar OD are identical it could end up bad,
Imagine if person is od`ing on 4-mar and doctors think he is od`ing on meth and inject poor fella with benzos.... it will end up with organ failure, cardiac arrest and death..

People should never blame substance though, Its stupidity that kills...
 
Last edited:
I hope that is not right Maelstrom Devnal about the benzo mix with 4 Mar being deadly. I am pretty sure I have had 4Mar sold to me as meth/ice in the past, and I pretty much only do meth if I have benzos to take the day as I often need to work on no sleep.

Did you get that info from Erowid? Cause I could easily see my sources just saying it is 'good meth'. Has anyone else encountered serious problems combining 4Mar with benzos?
 
What is particularly harmful about 4mar and benzos? I don't think I've heard that before.

I can't remember specifically if I've taken benzos with it, though in all likelihood I have. I'd be interested in hearing more about that, if anyone knows offhand, before I have time for some research...

I had a quick search and found this erowid source reporting on the death of a man with 4mar and diazepam in his blood stream, but it says the diazepam was not the cause of death, and doesn't seem to suggest it was particularly the combo of 4mar and diazepam which caused his death. I couldn't find any references on wiki, are you able to link them to me please?
 
Last edited:
I have 100% used benzodiazepines with 4 MAR, everytime I use any meth like stimulant I use benzodiazepines whether it be to alleviate the anxiety of scoring, smooth out the buzz, assist sleeping/alleviate the comedown or any combination of those reasons. I couldn't recall a specific incidence of using benzo's with 4 MAR but given for a several month period I used 4 MAR fairly regularly and didn't once use meth in that time I definately have. Doesn't neccessarily mean it is safe but I would be fairly surprised if there was some major interaction between the two drugs... It never really felt dangerous or unhealthy, I know you can't go by that on its own but I would really be interested to see futher evidence the combo is bad. All polydrug use can be dangerous but I don't see a logical reason why benzo's and 4 MAR would be any more dangerous than benzo's and meth.
 
I myself like to take 1mg of clonazepam when i want to end up meth trip and go to sleep..but i would be extremely cautious doing it with 4-mar,
cause its not meth in any way, it is completely different substance, 4-mar and methamphetamine have only one thing in common its phenyl ring and may be methyl group.

Well, looking at blood concentration in the death from diazepam and 4-mar, it looks like person took waaaaaay too much of both..
i dont think taking a small dose of benzos like 1 to 3mg of lorazepam after reasonable dose of 4-mar will kill you,
but binging for a week with few grams of 4-mar and by the end of binge dosing yourself with large dose of benzos might end up bad..

we can see fatality from 4-mar and diazepam,
http://www.erowid.org/archive/rhodium/chemistry/u4euh.fatality.html
and yet there has been no recorded fatalities involving methamphetamine and benzos..
 
Last edited:
Maelstrom Devnal said:
and yet there has been no recorded fatalities involving methamphetamine and benzos..
Click to expand...

I'm sure you could find one if you looked hard enough :)

I know what you're saying though.

Cheers for the info Maelstrom. 4-mar intrigues me and never knew it was potentially more dangerous than meth...
 
footscrazy said:
What is particularly harmful about 4mar and benzos? I don't think I've heard that before.

I can't remember specifically if I've taken benzos with it, though in all likelihood I have. I'd be interested in hearing more about that, if anyone knows offhand, before I have time for some research...

I had a quick search and found this erowid source reporting on the death of a man with 4mar and diazepam in his blood stream, but it says the diazepam was not the cause of death, and doesn't seem to suggest it was particularly the combo of 4mar and diazepam which caused his death. I couldn't find any references on wiki, are you able to link them to me please?
Click to expand...

Concentrations of 4,5-dihydro-4-methyl-5-phenyl-2-oxazolamine were: in blood 21.3 mg/L; in urine 12.3 mg/L. Diazepam concentration in blood was 0.8 mg/L.
Click to expand...

blood concentration of 4-mar way above LD-50. That suggests death from 4-mar.

this is reference 9, on the bottom page of 4-Methylaminorex on wiki.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3373171
same is on erowid, but on wiki its original link.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Top