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"This dose whooped my mental ass! I can't wait to go further!" Why?

Low doses can present a difficulty that higher doses don't: the struggle of the ego to let go. You can get "stuck" between two states of consciousness, which can be uncomfortable. I personally like to aim for a dose high enough to facilitate letting go, but that doesn't overwhelm me. I had my share of ass whoopings, and I used to want to go deeper when tripping was still new to me, but now I always look for my sweet spot with a drug. Finding your sweetspot is much easier with a batch of acid that you already know the strength of, than with shrooms which are inherently variable dose wise. That's why I like to buy at least 10 hits of acid at a time. You can gauge the strength and use that to determine how much to take next time.
 
There is no such thing as the "ego". It's just a theory Freud made up 100 years ago that's been totally discredited with the advent of brain imaging.

Whatever you're scared of it isn't losing the "ego" because it doesn't exist to lose.
 
Ismene said:
There is no such thing as the "ego". It's just a theory Freud made up 100 years ago that's been totally discredited with the advent of brain imaging.

Whatever you're scared of it isn't losing the "ego" because it doesn't exist to lose.
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It's the fear of death we're all scared off.
 
Ismene said:
There is no such thing as the "ego". It's just a theory Freud made up 100 years ago that's been totally discredited with the advent of brain imaging.

Whatever you're scared of it isn't losing the "ego" because it doesn't exist to lose.
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Call it what you like, but it can be a challenge to let go when a trip kicks in. The transition from one state of consciousness into another can be uncomfortable, especially if the dose is significantly lower or higher than your sweetspot.
 
^ yeah, that's it. two days ago i had my second mushroom trip, dosing 2.8g of dried homegrown cubes. the mushrooms were only pins and small ones, because they didn't get any bigger, but i haven't considered that they might be more potent than bigger and matured mushrooms. whatever, after taken the dose the comeup was already stronger than anything experienced on psychedelics (having taken acid a handful of times and 2c-e numerous times).
i died, i was afraid, i couldn't let go. it was really mental torture, but only because i was too afraid to let go. after i died i was in a state i cannot describe even to myself. the best word might be singularity. after that followed a gradual shift back to our normal state of mind. i've read a lot about these kind of experiences but no trip report could've prepared me what happened. amazing, terrifying but also joyful (the egodeath made me believe that all parts of my existence were only a dream, a reflection of my whole being and that really there is only the one consciousness, but when i came back from "there" i felt that even if there's only one being that is the universe doesn't mean that what we experience here, now is meaningless or less true. what i felt in this moment was the biggest euphoria ever. never have i been so happy my whole life. i felt like i've been given another chance, my whole being reshaped and new.)
yesterday i was pretty drained and tired but still mentally alert and felt not yet back to baseline (smoked weed the whole day though) and didn't get much sleep because my mind was at a race after the trip. now, i'm feeling fine and don't regret the experience at all.
 
It's a powerful realization, when you experience first hand that your perception of reality is nothing more than just that.
 
yeah. i now know that i had no idea of what is possible, even though i've read about the psychedelic experience for years. mind shattering but also humbling somehow. i want to go that deep again, but this will take some time to prepare and wait for the right moment. :)
 
Bagseed great story! reminded me so much of my firs acid trip ever
all my experimentations with psychedelics&dissociative i have done afterwards were more or less to confim that realisation.

Ismene said:
There is no such thing as the "ego". It's just a theory Freud made up 100 years ago that's been totally discredited with the advent of brain imaging.

Whatever you're scared of it isn't losing the "ego" because it doesn't exist to lose.
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what do you call the sense of self then ?
and im also interested to know how brain imaging discredited the term?
 
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wayab said:
what do you call the sense of self then ?
and im also interested to know how brain imaging discredited the term?
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I think they mean freud's theory of the ego being the section that connects the superego (waking consciousness) to the unconscious. The other definition of the ego is one's identity and sense of self, what I would say consists of our perceived personality, memories, and thinking engine. I guess the term is used loosely between many fields but generally in the spiritual field I've seen only the latter definition being used.
 
If something is imaginary that doesn't mean it's not real. Look at this forum for example: people writing from nicknames - these are not their real names in the outside world but here in this forum they are.
It’s weird haven't you noticed people tend to have a sense of self? It’s like a basic human function? Of course to the question is the reality that we experience real real or illusionary real no one can give a definite answer, there is enough pointing in both directions to make both options possible but also enough to make it quite difficult to have a definite answer.
 
I think smarter people crave stimulation, whether it be good or bad, if you can learn from it is the main thing.
 
wayab said:
what do you call the sense of self then ?
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The self?

and im also interested to know how brain imaging discredited the term

It showed the brain doesn't work in the way Freud imagined it did. Certainly the idea of the ego and everything else Freud dreamt up is completely discredited.
 
Why involve Freud all the time?
Please enlighten me further:
how did the brain imaging discredited the subjective experience of ones self?
Obviously I’m some kind of retard that can’t understand the simplest of concepts so please help me understand…
 
Sometimes you have to go back, and peer at that thing you can't seem to recall. Its on the tip of your tongue, but you can't find the words. It was all so clear then, but now there is a fog. If I go back one more time maybe I can figure it out...

Sometimes its about finding part of yourself that you left there...
 
wayab said:
Why involve Freud all the time
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Because he was the guy who dreamed up the idea of the ego. It doesn't really exist you know.

the subjective experience of ones self?

But any animal on earth has a subjective sense of itself. Do they all have egos? Don't confuse being self-aware with having an "ego".
 
The ego semantics hurricane is a brewin lol

There does need to be a line drawn in the sand regarding the difference between the 'sense of self' 'or self-awareness' And 'the ego'.
Is it the sense of self which 'dies' on a trip due to an increase in stimulus leading to a glitch of 'failing self awarenes'....or is the 'ego death' experience something more than this...?

Lol, I'm tired about arguing about Freud on here lol Jesus christ! Lol
If its going to come up Again, let us all bring the necessary cards to the table, while Leaving emotional frustrations at the door. An agreeance on the Freudian parameters of what ego is... or A New Definition for what WE call the ego needs to be decided on IMO.

The nomenclature is flawed, let us fix it. Is 'the ego' that we refer to in the psychedeic culture the same concept as freuds ego?
Lol, ismene is bugged by the pedastal-setting of Freudian ideas after they've been proven flawed....does the term ego bug you outside of Freudian application, if there were such an application? If the terms relevance to Freud is too strong, perhaps a new term can be used to describe what we psychonauts are currently mislabeling as 'the ego'.

Lol, just seem like this comes up every week. And I know where the ego death supporters are coming from, there seems to be some intense sense of self destruction which happens from time to time tripping. .THOUGH, I can see where ismene is coming from, the misinformation spreading through the prominence of such a term isn't helpful to conveying information using such term.

We can't change the books on the matter in a world sense, but on a BL scale of existence, perhaps we can end the debate and find some new nomenclature that is to be agreed upon here...
 
x-sun-x-moon-x said:
You draw the line - I'll rub it out ;)
The nomenclature is flawed - Language creates you reality
You can't fix what isn't broken - Don't fix what isn't broken
Shine on you crazy diamond(s) ;)
Last words for the wise - language creates your reality
But everyone already knows - because the war is over
And nobody won - But the brave soul who runs away
Lives to fight another day - Thank God for that!
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Lol, whatever man....
All I'm saying is that if we are to be exchanging information and words with one another, why not move past elementary redundant debates over Freud and egos lol. Fixed/broken comes down to subjective view of the potential efficacy of a given point and its ability to reach that given potential. I'm all for philosophy and open-ended madness, don't get me wrong. But I've Seen people get way heated over this ego semantics debate weekly for months now lol. If we meet in the middle and find common-ground on this burnt out discussion topic, we can use our energy as well as our semantically resonant terminology to approach even more trippy and deep topics....right?! Lol

I don't think language does create the reality though...the symbol structure within human perception is dictated by ones understanding of labels and terms for concepts sure, but my reality has roots far beyond my use of language. I think we are each bound by varying degrees to the constructs of society and language. But to be fully at the mercy of language for ones existential presence is on the far end of the malleability side of this spectrum, and certainly not whre I and many others lie.

Now the 'reality' of my expression is fairly bound by languages symbol structure, but I balance that inherent association with abstraction by practicing chanting and other non-linguistic expressions...we can exert without conforming to the bounds of language structure...however, one could argue that there is an inherent vibrational-reaction structure present in human experience, which can take abstract sounds like chanting and 'read' emotion and language therein even if those emotions/informations were not intended in the persons exertions consciously. But I stand by that one can exert without being Bound by, or having language 'create ones reality'.

Fooooods 4 thoughts though.... :-) I dig the war is over and nobody won part lol deep :-)
 
I find this to be my primary, if not only, goal. When I take a psychedelic drug it isn't to have fun or feel inner peace as much as its to completely destroy my mind. Not in a bad way, but I want the drug to take my mind, separate every aspect of it, and spill it out right before me. I take psychedelics to find my true self, in my mind this is what people should be doing psychedelics for. I don't have too much else to say about it, it's just the way I view the experience I guess.
 
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