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Unique Attributes of Different Depressants

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Hi, though there are many threads concerning the best benzodiazepine I have seen none on the best downer. If there are threads about that, I am sorry and would like this thread removed (with a link to that thread for me). Otherwise, the following thread is there to rate depressant drugs, other than opioids because they are practically a class of their own and far superior to most, I'd not all, other depressants.

The depressants I am interested in are: gamma butyrolacetone
Gamma hydroxy butyric acid, ethanol, butanol, chlorobutanol, chloral hydrate, paraldehyde, acetophenone,ethchlorvinyl, all benzodiazepines, all barbiturates and carisoprodol. Any others that you can think of are worthy. Add the primary effects secondary, effects and tertiary effects (side effects). My favorite downers would be bromazepam and alprazolam. I have tried chlorobutanol, ethanol, butanol, chloroform, alprazolam, lorazepam, carisoprodol, bromazepam, zolpidem, zoplicone and phenobarbital. I'm into heavy sedation and euphoria.
One additional question: are the 2mg alprazolam ir tablets and the 3mg er alprazolam tablets prescribed for anxiety?
 
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Moving over to DC but it may well get closed since drug appreciation threads aren't exactly HR focussed.
 
JSPete said:
Moving over to DC but it may well get closed since drug appreciation threads aren't exactly HR focussed.
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sorry, then must have phrased my question incorrectly. This is not ONLY about liking drugs, this is about the properties and effects of various ones and subjective reports combined with reoccurrence (allowing us to see how common particular depressant drugs are) and which ones seem to have greater recreational value than others. I think one thread on this should exist as one exist for mushrooms, steroids and stimulants. As said above, it is the reasoning and information that is valued as opposed to a straight answer like: Xanax
 
I am not sure I understand this question completely, but the best non-opioid downer on its own that I have had is butalbital. It is very nice in its effects, pleasant, floaty, and fun, but without the dirty feeling of alcohol. With no tolerance 100 mg butalbital got me nice and high, I truly felt "barbed out". One of the best part of barbs is the beligerence I seem to feel entitled to. It didn't really "down me out" like a higher dose of benzos would of, but if I had wanted to sleep I could have very well. Barbs give the BEST sleep IMO. But yeah, barbs are probably the best (most enjoyable) non-opioid downers. The feeling w/ no tolerance is just "fun". REALLY fucking dangerous, though.
 
I used to agree butalbital was a fine downer, but for some reason the last handful of times I used it, it didn't have the magic it used to have a few years ago. I thought it was sooo much better than any other type of downer besides opioids, but honestly the last 4 or 5 times I had it I rather have a benzo, which surprised the shit out of me. I was honestly not happy about that result. Not sure what happened to that wonderful euphoria. All I got was super tired recently.
 
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I used to agree butalbital was a fine downer, but for some reason the last handful of times I used it, it didn't have the magic it used to have a few years ago. I thought it was sooo much better than any other type of downer besides opioids, but honestly the last 4 or 5 times I had it I rather have a benzo, which surprised the shit out of me. I was honestly not happy about that result. Not sure what happened to that wonderful euphoria. All I got was super tired recently.
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Actually, same with me. It seems to have lost some of its magic. Maybe cause my tolerance to benzos has grown? Maybe because I had a handful of really downed out experiences? I don't know. The last time I took it I took 150 mg I think with my usual benzos, and a few extra. Thought I would feel really nice, but nothing to write home about. In the beginning though, oh! It was grand in the beginning. I won't give up hope on it, just going to take a larger dose next time I do.
 
The last few times I took I believe around 400 to 600mgs of butalibital which would give me great euphoria that no benzo could do to save their life years ago, but not anymore. I mean I have done a lot more benzos since I first had a handful of experiences with barbs, but never was I using them regularly or anything. Real weird. Really disappointing because I really thought they were pretty damn awesome downers. I'd love to try some other barbs if I could ever find them because they really do intrigue me, but I've never seen any available on the street.
 
I very much get the point of this thread- every downer, even within a class (as is obvious and widely discussed as far as opiates, methadone vs heroin for instance). I find that most people (overwhelmingly women and male alcoholics) who abuse benzos in NZ have their own preferances just like opiate users/addicts have their preferences.

I reckon that the king of downers (as long as you've got the right dose) is Temazepam. People round here call it 'Temamazingpam'. I agree- it's the fucking champagne of benzos. People often forget that it's very weak by weight- 2mg alprazolam = 40mg Diazepam, while 60mg Temazepam = 40mg Diazepam.

I have an almost yearly tradition of taking 60-100mg of it on Christmas day, so I can both talk to my parents/family on the phone and have a fucking blast with my actual family (my partner and our close friends). I'm a violent drunk (which is why I don't drink), so seeing me behaving like the happiest drunk on the planet makes everyone feel more comfortable than me having a glass in my hand ;).

A close runner up would be Nitrazepam and Flunitrazepam- had more experience with the later than the former which may be why I like the first one better (familiarity breeds contempt).

If you IV, then IV Midazolam beats everything above. High doses with other ROA can be heaps of fun though, as much as a good dose of any of the benzos listed above.

I've excluded opiates from 'downers' as I'm currently addicted to them and thus don't really appreciate their effects objectively anymore. I have taken virtually every downer ever in clinical use (and a couple that aren't!) with a couple of exceptions, like real quaaludes (got some fake like 80mg diazepam pills for real cheap out of the fake quaalude fiasco) though I've taken a couple of its analogues now and not been that impressed- it's got serious sedative-stopping power, would be great for a loony-bin; but for a fun time? No, and I regularly abuse downers. Too much like accidently taking seroquel while drunk...but that's it's effect profile. I've taken barbs (was briefly prescribed phenobarb, plus seconal and thiopental...yes, I've abused the drug they use to execute people. It was very...symbollic) and I reckon Benzos are more fun.

Barbs are too much like being wasted drunk, there's really little difference. Yes taking a pill and being wasted drunk is convenient, but fucking hell- it's a bit dangerous and jarring to go from sober to black-the-fuck-out-crazy-drunk in the space of 5 minutes. Who cares? I'm glad benzos were developed to replace them- not only are they safer, they're more effective and more fun!

The benzo I don't like so much are alprazolam (just...never found it that good?), clonazepam and Lorazepam. Hated phenazepam, all the worst qualities of a benzo for 3-4 days- WOOHOO! Guess I prefer the short-intermediate downers best, which is interesting as I prefer long acting opiates (even while an escalating opiate addict I would/did buy methadone over heroin any day)
 
^I want to try Temazepam SOO BAD!

Anyway, thought I'd add a bit to this thread..
I've tried several other Depressants besides alchohol, opiates and and the typical benzo's.

Gabapentin A.K.A Neurontin:
This drug is a real weird one IMO. It's the older, weaker cousin of lyrica, used as a remedy for a variety of conditions, but I believe it's intended purpose is to treat neuropathic pain. To catch a buzz with no tolerance to it, 300 mg was quite enough for me. It definately reduces anxiety-no where near to the extent of benzo's, but its great when you got nothing else, and it gives a very pleasant body high that IMO is similar to opiates (i.e. relaxed shoulders and knees, a kind of heavy floating feeling). The problem with it is that if you up the dose, I find that the effects become really sloppy. Coordination becomes fucked (I've bumped into walls, and even fallen down walking mid-stride), visual perception can take on a kind of "stop-motion" feel, and heart rate increases. Another thing to note, is that at some point, taking more gabapentin actually results in the body decreasing the absorption of gabapentin, so in essence, if you like this drug and are at the point where your taking 1500 mg and up and cant get buzzed, the best thing to do is take a break. I've heard there is a withdrawal syndrome, though I never experienced even after months of everyday high dosage usage.

Also to note: works wonders for opiate withdrawal.

GBL:
My dear, dear friend gave me quite a bit of this stuff late last spring-and I got to say, I loved it. In my oppinion it is to alchohol, what crack is to cocaine. A quick come-on, and a strong, clean high-similar to alchohol but shorter in duration, and IME, no hangover. In fact, I would feel pretty damn good in the morning after a night of dosing GBL.

People that choose to screw around with this substance should be careful however, as it is very potent. One day right before one of my classes at college ended, I took a stupidly heroic dosage. As I rode the train home I felt more sedated than usual, and began to nod in a very heroin-like fashion. At some point I blacked out, and when I woke up, I was face down on the train, with all my belongings scattered around me. I would NOT mix GBL/GHB with any other CNS depressants. It should also be noted that GHB and GLB are both act upon the GABA-B receptor, which benzodiazepine's and Z-drugs do not. For this reason can be difficult to taper off if you are addicted to GBL or GHB, though there are some other GABA-B active chemicals out there which I heard can be helpful (phenibut, Baclofen).

The rarest Benzodiazepine that I ever obtained was Halcion (Triazolam). This drug is incredibly potent, and caused me to black out and pass out during the midst of an I.V cocaine binge. I can't even remember if it was pleasurable or not to be honest.

All in all I think the most enjoyable non-opiate CNS depressants are alprazolam and GBL. There are a lot of benzo's I havn't tried, but of the ones I have (alprazolam, lorazepam, librium, triazolam, clonazepam, diazepam,phenazepam) Xanax was by far the superior drug.
 
Thanks very much for the contributions-Particularly the last one as I wanted non-benzodiaze drugs in here too.
Is phenobarbital like barbital? They are even more closely related than the other barbiturates and it seems that the only difference is the duration. I did not enjoy phenobarbital very much. I took 900 mg (over a few hours as to titrate my dose) and smoked synthetic weed (later when I decided that I wasn't impressed). I got mighty fucked up, as with Booze, however, there was little euphoria and it was not a hang out with friends or do not very difficult work drug. It must also be noted that I dislike alcohol (ethanol).
For some reason I LOVED bromazepam. Pop one after the other and never black out. Euphoric as hell but tolerance climbs very quickly. Alprazolam gets me too fucked up, I take 1.5mg and slur my speech even though I am no where close to the feeling of 30mg-40mg bromazepam. Has anyoneone else experienced this?

Ooooh yes, I wanted to say that I absolutely want to try midazolam (IV). I love iv but do it rarely. Is it worth it? I also want to try some other benzodiazepines, are there any HIGHLY recommended ones?
 
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I used to love klonopin and valium, recently i've discovered the advantages of the never-good-enough-pondered short action of xanax.
 
I would love to try some the true classics like Placidyl (ethchlorvynol), chloral hydrate, and Quaalude. I bet it would have a distinctly different feel than benzos or even barbs for that matter. Everyone who has tried Quaalude says it was the shit, which I believe. That being said, I wouldn't want to discount the older barbs like pentobarbital, secobarbital, or amobarbital. They all sound so delicious. Maybe a sampler of downers, yes that sounds nice.
 
I have tried chloral and chlorobutanol and can tell you that it does not live up to he hype. It gives a really sloppy high, I was stumbling up the stairs ten minutes after a 1.5 gram dose (dissolved in liquid). It is quite euphoric but it isn't really worth it, I prefer benzos. It is sort of comparable to phenobarbital in the sense that it has about the same potency (a little less) and that your face gets numb and you stumble around like a motherfucker before even feeling the euphoria.
I think a scale for measuring the effect of downers is needed:
Rate the physical effects out of ten, and the psychological effects out of ten then divide psych by phys:
Psych/Phys<1 means more fucked up (stumbling etc.) and >1 means more euphoric.
Anyone have a better idea? Problem is that this is purely subjective.
 
Has anyone tried pentobarbital, secobarbital, amybarbital or Ethchlorvinyl and some benzodiazepine? I would like a comparison between a great barbiturate or ethchlorvinyl and a benzodiazepine. As I said, I love being very sedated (though I am not fond of amnesia). Opioids are my favorites but are not concerned in this thread. I may have the opportunity to try some of these goodies and want to know if it really is worth it. How good are these meds really? Because they are hard to come by and I don't want to waste effort on something that can be achieved with less effort and money.
 
Like dead said:
I have tried chloral and chlorobutanol and can tell you that it does not live up to he hype. It gives a really sloppy high, I was stumbling up the stairs ten minutes after a 1.5 gram dose (dissolved in liquid). It is quite euphoric but it isn't really worth it, I prefer benzos. It is sort of comparable to phenobarbital in the sense that it has about the same potency (a little less) and that your face gets numb and you stumble around like a motherfucker before even feeling the euphoria.
I think a scale for measuring the effect of downers is needed:
Rate the physical effects out of ten, and the psychological effects out of ten then divide psych by phys:
Psych/Phys<1 means more fucked up (stumbling etc.) and >1 means more euphoric.
Anyone have a better idea? Problem is that this is purely subjective.
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This makes me really want to try chloral. With a fairly decent benzo tolerance, and alcohol just being so commonplace, chloral seems so appealing. I must admit some of its "antique" nature adds to its allure, and I may be over-romanticizing it, but I think I would quite like it. I like the ataxia, astasia-abasia and all that with a good downer, and you did say it was euphoric. I have to ask how long did it last?
 
About two hours, but I have only tried chlorobutanol, not chloral hydrate. Chloral should last longer.
 
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