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Labour warns [the long-term unemployed] "We are coming for you"

This is perhaps the only benefit I would refuse to pay...tho having said that with the price of v-necks these days Pete may be in need of a pension...

The Yorkshire Ripper has launched a legal battle for a state pension.

Serial killer Peter Sutcliffe plans to go to the European Court of Human Rights arguing that he has a right to draw the benefit because he paid his taxes before being jailed in 1981 for the murders of 13 women.

But the former Bradford lorry driver, who now calls himself Peter Coonan, has vowed to take his fight to the European Court of Human Rights, saying: 'The b******s are always against me but I'll not let them grind me down.

'This is a bloody hospital not a prison. I paid my taxes while I was working, so the Government owes me.'

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...per-fighting-right-pension.html#ixzz1ossCSXxk
 
Spade your missing a massive point here, there would be no dole money of people didn't work mate, I agree working at KFC isn't exactly my idea of fun but your living off those poor bastards taxes if your sitting on the dole claiming the cash for nowt when you could get work..

If your looking for meaning in life then don't look for it in work, very few people get that luxury and most that do have worked very hard to do so or manage to gain pleasure from their jobs because they feel they are of value to others.

Choosing to be on the dole isn't opting out of the system, its opting in in the worst possible way in my humble opinion
 
I'm not saying that everyone shouldn't work but if people refuse to work at Maccy Dees or clean toilets for minimum wage then fair enough. I wouldn't want to do it either. I've worked in a shitty hospital kitchen, manky fucking job. I've worked in call centres for huge national companies, absolute bollocks job. Depressing as fuck. Why should people have to put themselves through that if they don't want to. No ones forcing you to work, you choose to. You also have the right to choose not to.

The Swiss just voted on whether to extend the amount of holidays they get off work every year, from 4 to 6. They voted to REJECT the change and will stay with 4 weeks holiday. Fucking Swiss lunatics.
 
I've always worked, like I've already said, I've been a bin man (when they were still using black bags) I've done a 5am-2pm shift work in a freezer warehouse picking food and loaded lorries on the night shift, all, these jobs have to be done by someone and under the current system will always be the lowest paid.

I fully support your right not to work and whist I believe you should have the opportunity to do community work I would never support a policy that withdrew benefits from those that are unemployed by choice or not.

For me the handling and use of currency makes you as much a part of the system as anyone else, from the CEO of Deloites, to the guy / girl flipping burgers.

When your not working do you do voluntary work ?, there is plenty about, my father in law spends much of his time working for the National trust and my mother looks after disabled children.
 
atm23 said:
If your business is setup to make profit, which I assume it is then it is part of the system, IMO the mere handling of money makes you part of the system, no one is innocent we are all responsible from Fred the Shred (who I have worked for, obviously not directly) to the local window cleaner. Even is you think about those unfortunate to live on our streets, they rely on money from the state or from working people to survive so whilst they have my every sympathy they are the bottom the pyramid of capitalism. Its not mean to be an insult just a statement of fact, opting out is possible but extremely difficult given you have to live without contact with £'s IMO.

Don't try and five yourself I special status just because you don't have to answer to the man it don't wash, to use some very popular words of the moment "we are all in this together";)

I'm not really sure what having kids has to do with it, but I guess you may feel that making them live a life of comparative poverty and isolation is wrong, I have kids but since I don't live in a Welsh Valley I couldn't really comment
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I agree with you on most of that, and I used to work for that cunt too :) I have to have dealing with the man, of course, but generally as little as possible. I could almost get by without a bank account. But I'm lucky, I have an unusual set of circumstances. I buy no luxuries, no new clothes and can't remember the last time I went on holiday but I'm happy.

My point is that you're trapped once you're on the treadmill of kids & a mortgage. You shouldn't have to drag your kids out of comfort into isolation just because you don't want to slave 40 hours a week for the RBS. Everything is too expensive, prohibitively expensive. If a father of 3 wants to quit his desk jib and become a humble gardener he should be able to and still support his family. But he can't, he's trapped by a ridiculously huge mortgage and supermarket bill.
 
I got nothing against people that NEED benefits getting them but if folk are fit & able to work but have no intention of getting a job then they should whistle for it.
If people want to choose to opt out of work then they should not expect the rest of us that do get out of bed every day and go to some boring job to pay taxes to enable them to be lazy.
Benefits should be for folk who through illness,injury etc can't work and not for folk who just want to doss.
 
I've always worked, like I've already said, I've been a bin man (when they were still using black bags) I've done a 5am-2pm shift work in a freezer warehouse picking food and loaded lorries on the night shift, all, these jobs have to be done by someone and under the current system will always be the lowest paid.
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Fucked isn't it that someone doing such a shitty job, minging or back breaking work gets paid the least. Whilst bankers get million dollar bonuses even for failure.

I fully support your right not to work and whist I believe you should have the opportunity to do community work I would never support a policy that withdrew benefits from those that are unemployed by choice or not.

For me the handling and use of currency makes you as much a part of the system as anyone else, from the CEO of Deloites, to the guy / girl flipping burgers.

When your not working do you do voluntary work ?,
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You seem to be under the impression that I'm some serial dole claimer who's never worked? I'm in Thailand mate, on a massive holiday. Since I graduated uni around 3 or 4 years ago I've either been working, travelling or making money online with 2 brief stints on the dole (a matter of weeks both time) whilst looking for work. I'm no lifetime dole bunny, I just hate working. It takes up too much time, is inconvenient, you have to deal with cuntish managers, work for a company you don't give a shit about, do shit you don't want to do etc etc. Work is shit, I can accept that someone doesn't want to spend most of his life working in McDonalds and yes I realise if no one worked shitty jobs then the world would be fucked (but on the plus side we'd get rid of McDonalds, I type as I tuck into a Big Mac) but I don't hold it against the people who chose not to.

As a side note I have huge respect for people who opt out of the 'system' and do things their way, instead of waiting for someone else to give them a job they go it solo, make money doing something they are good at / enjoy. Live the life they want to, working from a beach in some exotic far flung country and changing locations every few months. Plenty of them about, maybe one day that'll be me. I have ideas, I just need to get my finger out and get them into action. People will tell you if it was that easy everyone would be doing it. Even if it was easy (it's not) then most people wouldn't do it anyway, they want job security, they need to be told what to do, they wouldn't want the sort of life that it brings. People are strange. Anyway I'm just ranting now I suspect.

badandwicked, tell us what you do, I'm curious. You can PM me if you want.
 
I have heard working at McDs is very shit at the start. But within a few years you can end up in management if you're good, and that starts at around 40k. If you work your way up and become the franchise owner, if you have a good spot you can earn 100k a year easy.

I don't think there is such a thing as opting out of the system either. Even if you grew all your own food, then i'm sure you'd have to go to other wage slaves for some reason in your life. Perhaps a hospital appointment? Even if you became completely successful you'd just be a slave to the land you were working. At the end of the day we are slaves to survival. My theory is that the only way to actually win is to amass a serious amount of money and become the man.
 
TheSpade said:
You seem to be under the impression that I'm some serial dole claimer who's never worked? I'm in Thailand mate, on a massive holiday. Since I graduated uni around 3 or 4 years ago I've either been working, travelling or making money online with 2 brief stints on the dole (a matter of weeks both time) whilst looking for work. I'm no lifetime dole bunny, I just hate working. It takes up too much time, is inconvenient, you have to deal with cuntish managers, work for a company you don't give a shit about, do shit you don't want to do etc etc. Work is shit, I can accept that someone doesn't want to spend most of his life working in McDonalds and yes I realise if no one worked shitty jobs then the world would be fucked (but on the plus side we'd get rid of McDonalds, I type as I tuck into a Big Mac) but I don't hold it against the people who chose not to. .
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Yep my bad I was under the impression that you had spent months on the dole without looking for work, my apologies not sure where i got the idea from a misconception on my part entirely:?
 
Take away benefits , NHS so on it will go we all ready nearly have a 2 tier health system n it's gonna get worse.

Anyone here that doesn't know /related to someone that has had to claim something at some point is fortunate.

Never know though in this situation not many working class are not in debt or if made unemployed 2 paychecks from being homeless it's that easy.

You would be happy that we have a pretty decent system in this country it does get abused cos folk are greedy human nature .
Take away these safety nets n what do you get ?

something like America n that would be a shame
 
maxalfie said:
I got nothing against people that NEED benefits getting them but if folk are fit & able to work but have no intention of getting a job then they should whistle for it.
If people want to choose to opt out of work then they should not expect the rest of us that do get out of bed every day and go to some boring job to pay taxes to enable them to be lazy.
Benefits should be for folk who through illness,injury etc can't work and not for folk who just want to doss.
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That sounds all very well but in practice it just would not work, would you stand by whilst people just starved or lived in abject poverty, can you imagine the effect on the crime rate or the effect on areas that already suffer from high unemployment rates.....are you suggesting they "get on their bikes" ??

Personally I think its a shame if people choose to sit on their arse all day doing nowt but I'd still fight for their right for a reasonable basic standard of living, any other system wouldn't work IMO if we want to call ourselves a civilised society.
 
Well if I was personally starving and living in abject poverty then I would think that would be the time to go and get myself a job so I don't starve.
Like I said benefits should be for those that can't physically work and not to support a lifestyle choice of choosing not to work.
Fair enough if you are actually trying to find work but can't get work but those folk who just sit back and wait for their giro with no intention of ever working shouldn't be enabled to do so.
 
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And how would you propose to tell the difference ??? we already have systems in place to try and check people do look for work, it's so difficult to actually operate in practice you may as well not bother.
 
Just like successive governments I don't have the answer to the problem,was just sharing my personal views.
I have a strong work ethic and was already doing part time jobs while still at school. I was living in Germany when my job there ended so I moved moved to Uk for work. Couldn't find work in the city where my family lived so I moved to another town in a county I had never been before purely because I read there was plenty of work in this area.
I just find it difficult to understand why folk don't want to work. My jobs have all been factory jobs so hardly exciting. But they pay for me to do what I want to do and lets face it, more money means I can buy more drugs.
 
TheSpade said:
Routine is a pile of shit. Who wants to do the same shit every day, over and over. Routine gets in the way of life.

Surely people have a right to moan when the useless cunts at the job centre don't pay them the measly 50 quid a week. What the fuck are they supposed to live off? It's not as easy as just saying "ah well the dole are useless bastards I'll get myself a job today instead" when there's hardly any fucking jobs in the country and people being made redundant all the time.

Who fucking says that's how the world has to work. Create your own destinity, don't work all your life till you die just because that's what society expects of you. Why should anyone do something they don't like doing, we should spend our lives doing things we do like doing, not things that make us miserable. Stop and think about what you're saying. When you're laying on your death bed are you going to think bad happily on all that time spent in the office, are you fuck so do as little of it as possible and spend more time doing what you enjoy.
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Stop jumping to such a big conclusion off a single post. Routine can be good mate, anyone I know who has sat on their ass and done fuck all with themselves has ended up with much bigger headfries and headfucks than the people I know who injested the same amount of drugs but just kept a bit of routine, people might not see that as good enough evidence but I'll take my own experience over anyones. Be it waking up at the same time each day or going to bed at a certain time. You don't need to plan out everything or have a routine for everything you do, but a little goes a long way. You're talking about a day-in-day-out routine, maybe if you believe that your life revolves around work then it's a problem, but I make time for other things also. You're talking about how you respect people who go off and do their own thing out of the way at the system, guarantee they wont do it without some routine at some stage or another.

My point with the dole thing is you don't see people moaning on Facebook about having to get up for work in comparison to the people moaning about their dole not coming through. Also, it isn't the people on the dole who are actually trying to get off it or genuinely need it that are moaning on Facebook, it's the people who are sitting down fuck all and are just claiming coin. I'm pretty sure that you had to work to get on this big trip you're doing about the place, if not apologies for being wrong, but at the end of the day why are you working and happy to pay for others who are sitting doing fuck all.

Mate that is how the world works atleast for the UK, whether you're willing to face up to it or not and if you really did have to work to get this big trip you had I don't know what the fuck you're honestly on about. If you want to go out and see the world you aren't gonah do it when you're living off £50 a week - you may be able to, but it wont be anywhere near as good with a little extra cash to spend on things while you're there. I don't think anyone's gonah be planning a holiday staying in hotels every night when they're only on £50 a week. Like I said, my post was about the people who are claiming it and doing fuck all. Not everyone on the dole.
 
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^ Your friends must be different from mine then as my FB is full of folk complaining about work. Especially on a Monday. The only non-complaint about work today was "Wee day off on a Monday....cannae beat it! Everybody moanin bout work! Round ye!". Not a single person even mentioning dole, never mind complaining about it.
 
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