Heroin I can't for the life of me hit a damn vein!

[Dr.Gonzo666]

Since snorting or smoking heroin isn't satisfying me (my smoking technique sucks anyway), I decided to try the IV route...

I read a lot about the procedure here and on others drug-related sites, watched youtube videos and I thought I had it down more or less.

Now I knew from the beginning I had a problem: I simply can't see the veins on my arms, not even the ones in the crook of the elbow! I tried everything: a tourniquet (belt), pouring warm water over my arm, doing push-ups, clenching my fists: NOTHING WORKS. Those bastards simply won't show up!

And even when I can locate some veins by sight or touch, for instance the ones on the back of my hand or even the median anti-brachial vein, I always fail to hit them. Even when I managed to bring those close to the surface all fattened, when I plunge the needle (at a 25° angle or less) and register, only bubbles of air enter the syringe.
(I guess it's possible I slip out of the vein *when* registering, but it's kinda difficult using only one hand)

This is incredibly frustrating! I want to experience the rush, at least a few times... It kills me when I think all that stands between me and infinite bliss is my piss-poor injecting technique.

Can you give me any advice? Or is IV just not for me?

 

[madog11]

Its sounds like you have veins like mine, just not made for shooting up unless its being done by an expert. Bad veins are a curse or a blessing depending how you look at it. Your body might just be protecting you from a lifetime chasing the dragon.

I wouldn't dare trying with my veins seeing as drs/nurses struggle to get em.

 

[Ocd420]

Stay away from IV, once you cross that track there's no return, if already addicted, i don't know what to tell you, I learneed to IV when i was 14, i'm 23 now. The way i learned was just trying to hit a vein and draw blood, i tried untill i got it right then i put the drugs in. If you push the needle tip in slow enough you should feel the tip break the skin then if your on target with a vein you should feel a second pop of tension breaking, that's the vein. Its tricky at first using a syringe with one hand but practice practice,.

 

[Dr.Gonzo666]

Stay away from IV, once you cross that track there's no return, if already addicted, i don't know what to tell you

That's the thing, I can't really be addicted since snorting or smoking heroin doesn't seem to provide a satisfying high. I guess the first time was (just) OK, I caught a nod with 25mg snorted. But my tolerance climbed so fast after 2 or 3 days, 50-60mg were barely affecting me. Smoking gives me a 20 minutes rush and after that, almost nothing. (I seem to be a hard-head with most drugs)

I think only IV will give me the high I'm looking for. I guess I'll have to practice a bit...
But really, I don't understand why it doesn't work. I see a few track marks on my hands from yesterday's trial, and they are *precisely* above the target veins, but somehow I still missed them...

 

[TheManWithNoName]

You could try plugging. That's what was recommended to me after I had the same problem you do a little over a year ago. You'll get it but it will take practice. I messed up a lot of good veins in the process. That being said, like someone else mentioned, your lucky you can't get it right away. I kept trying until I finally got it and I wish I never had, it's like 100x more addicting than any other route of administration. After a while I didn't get high anymore but would spend $50 or more for a 30 second rush. I also usually to do intramuscular but that can be risking depending up the quality of your dope. I was lucky that I never got any abscess but it can happen this way. If you had pharmaceutical grade dope you could IM it with no worries. IM is the second best ROA in my opinion. I would do it on my inner thigh and within a few minutes I had a nice high.

 

[PeacePipeChief]

Good chance u just need to put the needle deeper or more shallow , move it around and shit , after uve pulled the plunger and air comes in , it will have a little bit of blood pop in without drawing back when u hit it .

 

[Dr.Gonzo666]

Good chance u just need to put the needle deeper or more shallow , move it around and shit , after uve pulled the plunger and air comes in , it will have a little bit of blood pop in without drawing back when u hit it .

Good idea. Like an automatic register.

I indeed believe one of the main problems is the needle exiting the vein when drawing back the plunger. Again, it's incredibly difficult not to when you can only use the one hand. The plunger is somewhat "resistant", doesn't slide easily.

It's also scary to think of how much damage you can inflict to your veins by poking repeatedly, and not even getting any reward for it.

 

[DroneLore]

Do you have a more experienced friend who could do it for you?

 

[Dr.Gonzo666]

Do you have a more experienced friend who could do it for you?

No, unfortunately...

 

[nsauce]

Yeah find someone experienced to show you how, In the absence of that option, pinch the flesh on your belly, next to your bellybutton on either side and inject there. That will give you an effective IM roa, and although you wont get the rush, you will get the full high. It takes a bit longer to take effect, but this might actually be a good introduction to using a syringe.

 

[Dr.Gonzo666]

Yeah find someone experienced to show you how, In the absence of that option, pinch the flesh on your belly, next to your bellybutton on either side and inject there. That will give you an effective IM roa, and although you wont get the rush, you will get the full high. It takes a bit longer to take effect, but this might actually be a good introduction to using a syringe.

I know how to administer an IM injection (thigh is better), but I heard it's even more hazardous than IV. You have more chance of getting an abscess and such...

I'll try leaving some air/vacuum near the needle to register more easily and if I still fail I'll just give up for now... I won't find someone to show me how to do it anytime soon, unless someone at the needle exchange can offer some advice (even though it's kind of a dreadful place).

 

[pbuilder]

That's the thing, I can't really be addicted since snorting or smoking heroin doesn't seem to provide a satisfying high. I guess the first time was (just) OK, I caught a nod with 25mg snorted. But my tolerance climbed so fast after 2 or 3 days, 50-60mg were barely affecting me. Smoking gives me a 20 minutes rush and after that, almost nothing. (I seem to be a hard-head with most drugs)

I think only IV will give me the high I'm looking for. I guess I'll have to practice a bit...
But really, I don't understand why it doesn't work. I see a few track marks on my hands from yesterday's trial, and they are *precisely* above the target veins, but somehow I still missed them...

Don't get it twisted buddy, you are already VERY psychologically addicted, right down to the fact that you are in denial about being addicted lol

Because the high from smoking or snorting isn't good enough you CAN'T be addicted lol? Nice rationalizing...

Do yourself a favor and stop while your ahead. The last thing you need is to get on the IV train man, cause it will head you into a life of misery.

 

[tricomb]

plug it! you'll love it.

 

[Dr.Gonzo666]

Don't get it twisted buddy, you are already VERY psychologically addicted, right down to the fact that you are in denial about being addicted lol

Because the high from smoking or snorting isn't good enough you CAN'T be addicted lol? Nice rationalizing...

Do yourself a favor and stop while your ahead. The last thing you need is to get on the IV train man, cause it will head you into a life of misery.

Dude, I appreciate you trying to help and all but how can you pretend to know whether I'm addicted or not? You're not in my head nor in my body.
And yes, heroin hasn't shown me anything impressive enough yet to get me psychologically hooked and I certainly don't have used enough to build a physical addiction... Frankly, I got way higher on weed in terms of euphoria, relaxation and even nodding (in its own way)...

The thing is, I finally managed to get my hands on heroin after searching for it for quite some time and yes I'd like to use it to its full potential while I'm at it. I was intrigued by this "rush" everyone's taking about and wanted to experience it.

But don't worry anyway, I tried again IVing and still failed miserably... It's like those damn veins don't even exist! So I'll give up trying for the time being until I find someone who can guide me through it...

plug it! you'll love it.

Yeah, I'll try that. Even though if you are to believe what you read on bluelight, it's not that much better than snorting. Nowhere near as good as IV anyway... But I'll try...

 

[tricomb]

It's better than you think! don't bash it til you try it

so much safer than IV and feels almost as good.

 

[pbuilder]

The second you even consider Iving a drug u are crossing a line man, u don't even know yet. But yes it very evident from how desperate you are to Iv and get high that you are already addicted , I'm sorry that u can't see it bro

*stay safe*

Best regards,
Pbuilder

 

[Dr.Gonzo666]

The second you even consider Iving a drug u are crossing a line man, u don't even know yet. But yes it very evident from how desperate you are to Iv and get high that you are already addicted , I'm sorry that u can't see it bro

*stay safe*

Best regards,
Pbuilder

It's called curiosity.

I know IV is the only way to really reach opiate heaven. I actually already had my mind set on IVing before I even touched the stuff. I knew I had to snort/smoke it at first to get to know the product and acquire some tolerance but I knew from the beginning I'd move to IV rather quickly... Sticking a needle in my arm with all the risks involved doesn't really excite me per se. If I could experience a high close to it through a safer ROA, I'd gladly do it, believe me... But snorting simply sucks, or requires a fuck load of product...

I wouldn't inject coke or meth, because other ROA are satisfying enough for those drugs. But having heroin and not IVing ultimately feels like a waste.

For now, I simply want to experience a rush. Just one successful shot. Who knows? Maybe I won't even like it that much. At least, I'll be able to make an educated decision as to whether it's worth continuing it. But yeah, it's frustrating not being able to know the feeling due to a stupid lack of technique... Seems so close, but you can reach it.

 

[DroneLore]

It's called curiosity.

I know IV is the only way to really reach opiate heaven. I actually already had my mind set on IVing before I even touched the stuff. I knew I had to snort/smoke it at first to get to know the product and acquire some tolerance but I knew from the beginning I'd move to IV rather quickly... Sticking a needle in my arm with all the risks involved doesn't really excite me per se. If I could experience a high close to it through a safer ROA, I'd gladly do it, believe me... But snorting simply sucks, or requires a fuck load of product...

I wouldn't inject coke or meth, because other ROA are satisfying enough for those drugs. But having heroin and not IVing ultimately feels like a waste.

For now, I simply want to experience a rush. Just one successful shot. Who knows? Maybe I won't even like it that much. But yeah, it's frustrating not being able to know the feeling due to a stupid lack of technique... Seems so close, but you can reach it.

Are you sure you don't just have shitty dope? I've shot up and gotten VERY fucked up sniffing. The only difference is the rush, which (based on what I've seen in the real world) eventually becomes all the IV user cares about.

 

[Dr.Gonzo666]

Obviously I haven't had it analysed in a lab, but it's supposed to be very pure raw #3 powder from a reliable connection.

Snorting it was OK at first, but not overwhemingly orgasmic either... And more importantly, after just 3 days, 50mg provided only a light buzz. I guess I *could* get high enough via this route, but if I have to consume 60mg to 100mg to get high, it just isn't worth my money...

 

[DroneLore]

But is it worth your veins?

Nah, it's whatever. I think your best bet is to find someone else who uses and have them fix you.