Actiskenan - Morphine Sulphate IR - for IV?? (vs. Skenan LP)

[max00]

TL;DR:
Is it true Actiskenan cannot be IV while Skenan LP is OK? Both are Morphine Sulphate, former is IR and latter is SR/ER. Why? If you only had Actiskenan and in bad W/Ds would you still do it??

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I have seen some conflicting reports about Actiskenan (IR form Morphine Sulphate) for IV on French forums (only places with any information!), especially one harm reduction forum.
- Most seem to say it is not good, bad translations include something like "head ache, heart racing, dangerous, did not work". But I am not sure if the translations are correct because they use a lot of slang/sentences that don't go through well with machine translation.
- On the other hand, some say it seems to work better than Skenan LP (SR/ER form Morphine Sulphate, and known "safe" to inject), bad translation example "used to take x mg of Skenan LP but took less mg of Actiskenan and was near overdose"
- Some (perhaps the ignorant ones) say that Morphine Sulphate is Morphine Sulphate, and the only difference is the other stuff in the beads inside the capsule, and these statements were never contradicted in the threads according to the translations!

List of ingredients:

Skenan LP ("safe" to IV):
sucrose, corn starch, macrogol 4000, Aquacoat ECD 30, dibutyl sebacate, talc, gelatin, titanium dioxide.
Actiskenan (unsure about IV):
neutral microgranules, hypromellose, talc, gelatin, Azorubine, saccharose.

The difference seems to be saccharose (sugar?, safe?), Azorubine (coloring of capsule, let's ignore that), microgranules (this seems to refer to the ingredient in the "beads" inside the capsule that is the time-release mechanism - but Skenan LP has beads as well and looks the same,and Actiskenan is not supposed to be time-release?), hypromellose (many pills have this so should be "no problem" relatively speaking).


There is one post in BL that would confirm Actiskenan is not OK while Skenan LP is OK. But without any further explanation..

Is there some anti-abuse system in Actiskenan that is not visible in the list of ingredients? Anyone tried or know anything about these?

Edit:

Ouais l'ActiSkenan en IV j'ai tilté aussi..
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parceque moi avec 10mg d actiskenan en IV j ai failli crevé alors qu avec le skenan a la fin de ma conso j ai été jusqu a 240 mg par injection en IV
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tout ou a peu pret tout à été dit par les autres, l'actiskenan ne se shoot pas, ou alors il y a une cuisine speciale que je ne connais pas....
les excipients sont différents d'avec le skenan lp et donc la seule façon de prendre de l'actiskenan pour qu'il soit efficace, c'est de l'ingérer (ce qui veut aussi dire qu'avant d'avoir un effet opiacé, tu peux en bouffer quelque boites (en fonction de ta tolerance bien sur) vue les dosages bas de cette specialitée (maxi 30mg))...
ce qui induit en erreur les usagers c'est la forme micro bille, puisque les micro bille de skenan peuvent etre injectées, celle d'actiskenan devraient l'etre aussi, bah non....
avant de vous shooter ou de détourner un produit qui n'est pas fait pour l'injection, renseignez vous un minimum, ça evite bien des galères, celle que ton ami a connu (entre autre)....
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Apres e, shoot ça devrait etre quasi KIF KIF
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j'ai injecté le skenan pdt presque un an et je peux t'assurer que l'actiskenan ne peut pas se preparer de la meme façon , le melange est infiltrable et lorsque tu y arrive si tu a le malheur de shooter ça tu te chopera un enorme mal de crane et pas d'effet du tout .

These seem to say that no, it's not a good idea - but not why. Didn't find the other threads with positive comments, will look for it later..

 

[Tripman]

I have to say straight up that I don't know the answer to this.

I will see what I can find out for you.

EDIT:

Moving to OD - More pill IV'ers over that way.

 

[max00]

I will see what I can find out for you.

Should I put up the links to the French forum threads?

 

[Tripman]

I wouldn't link to another forum on here, you can post relevant quotes however.