Needle Park, Zurich

[jspun]

Mvolution

My mother is a probation officer, and I remember growing up getting in blow-out fights about drugs, but the last time she ever hassled me about it, she just said, You can never position yourself as against the system and be successful, you have to infiltrate the system and change it from the inside."

That's an interesting and insiteful point. Vive la resistance. And you've contributed to this article more than counterproductive self-centered ribbing. Just f-ing with you, this thread can use the levity.

As for Colorado, I am not suprised you can hold out. In Conservative San Diego, the local authorities are involved, siting local ordinances to ban dispensaries. The county isn't as authoritative, aparently and the cultivation for personal, and delivery services are still legal under state and not federal law.

Actaually, Charlie, Mvolution has a point. For prodit medicine has its advatages in that you can dictate in many cases what you want, if your willing to pay the price. My last methadone clinic was open from 0530-1900 (7 pm). But without medical its was $300 +. Thats a f-ing car payment. But pain clinics have provided amazing quantities of candy like oxy and know opana. definately a step in the right direction HR wise (and the reason why heroin sucks in the soth east (eg Florida.)- syndicates can't compete. Otherwise for profit medice sucks.

 

[charlie clean]

and Brimz, I don't think the situation is a dismal as you make it out to be. I can't speak for the Euros, but here in America, there are actually a fair number of doctors, (maybe 1% or less) that will Rx opiates to chronic users because they know that it works better than ORT, and with a clean pharmaceutical supply, there is a good chance of functioning like a normal human being.

I am a chronic pain patient and I recently just came correct with my doctor and told him I was injecting my Dilaudid, and instead of being a complete prick about it, he just switched me to injectable dilaudid ampules. Fuck yeah. But the point being that many doctors realize that they are working within a system that is corrupt and wrong in the way it addresses these public health issues, and they are going to do their best to practice medicine as they see fit.

That's good to hear. Back when I'd make a 'temporary registration' with half a dozen GPs a day and claim to be just back from abroad and needing help with my habit till my 'clinic' appointment, I was regularly surprised by the kindness and open-mindedness of a fair minority of doctors. Wonder whether anyone tries that sort of thing nowadays?

Again, when the protest against the 'enforced reductions' started here, numerous users declined to join on the grounds 'you'll never beat the system' and trying to 'fight them' would only make their situations worse. Interestingly, the greater their experience of care, mental or penal institutions, the more prevalent this opinion seemed to be. A lot of oppression relies on the consent, in one form or another, of the oppressed.

If you were a slave, you could drive yourself mad with futile brooding on the unfairness of it all, better to enjoy those aspects of life's happiness still open to you. But if something isn't right, be it the slave trade or drug laws, it's wrong. Change is a matter of seizing chances and time, but, as history repeatedly tells us, right will out in the end.

 

[malaparte]

@jspun
I just came across a book, which might be of interest for you.
Peter J. Grob:Züricher "Needle-Park".Ein Stück Drogengeschichte und -politik 1968-2008
Chronos Verlag Zürich 2009/130 pgs/hardcover
It is of course written in german,but has a lot of photographs(all b-w.).While the photos inbetween the text are only of mediocre quality,there are also some 25 pages printed on better paper with only photos.
Peter Grob is a M.D. from the university Zurich and is pro "Platzspitz".

 

[bighouse911]

wow I've walked right past that park lol. Hidden by a museum... thats a well random location would have thought it would be further outta town. its right next to the central station!

 

[brimz]

In many large European cities you will find a drugs market right near to The Central station .
It makes perfect sense if you think about it .
This is obviously depends on the country & their attitude towards policing Drug dealing .

I can think of a fair few places where you can hook up for H & W within minutes of the main Station.

 

[rocknroll702]

im guessing amsterdam CS is on that list....

 

[bighouse911]

In many large European cities you will find a drugs market right near to The Central station .
It makes perfect sense if you think about it .
This is obviously depends on the country & their attitude towards policing Drug dealing .

I can think of a fair few places where you can hook up for H & W within minutes of the main Station.

yeah man, but if you saw the building that this park is behind lol. you wouldn't imagine that it was where an open drugs market was!

http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?q=swiss+national+museum&um=1&hl=en&sa=N&biw=1366&bih=643&tbm=isch&tbnid=-v2ac-Ga7GRscM:&imgrefurl=http://www.galenfrysinger.com/switzerland_zurich_swiss_museum.htm&docid=Sf3KTSSYi1AteM&imgurl=http://galenf.com/eh61/zmuseum22.jpg&w=864&h=778&ei=d6gpT9DePM7t-gb515C3BQ&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=592&vpy=143&dur=2078&hovh=213&hovw=237&tx=125&ty=113&sig=105658895913359934442&page=1&tbnh=141&tbnw=161&start=0&ndsp=18&ved=1t:429,r:2,s:0

 

[the bold one]

oslo,copenhagen,frankfurt,berlin,prauge,,stockholm,naples ,hamburg are the ones i have seen all within miniutes of the respective stations , amsterdam aint even in the running surprisinly.

 

[rocknroll702]

haha the germans are on top of it eh?

 

[charlie clean]

oslo,copenhagen,frankfurt,berlin,prauge,,stockholm,naples ,hamburg are the ones i have seen all within miniutes of the respective stations , amsterdam aint even in the running surprisinly.

Naples? Is there an big open air market close to the central station nowadays? Whereabouts, do you know?

 

[muvolution]

We generally try not to disclose the specific locations of open air markets here on bl.

 

[charlie clean]

Logged. But some markets, like Pitsplatz or East Hastings and Main are famous and almost rank among their city's tourist attractions. In Naples, it's the Sail and Scampia's a long way from Central Station. If there's something new, I'm not after specific locations but wonder which area resists gentrification.

 

[the bold one]

its in porta nolana,near the docks,probably cant be more specific than that. this was 7 years ago bear in mind.i have no idea of how the gentrification of naples is spreading.

 

[muvolution]

You guys are all good. We just don't want to be seen as spreading info on where to score, either physical or virtual locations, etc... this thread is really solid, let's keep up the good discussion.