Bupe What can I expect jumping off Suboxone at 2mg

[CodeDevelopr]

I have been taking Suboxone steady for about 5-6 months now, For the last 30 days I have been taking around 2mg a day and then the last 3-4 day took about 1mg a day and now I am out and I have no way of getting anymore (or anything for that matter i'm broke and i'm not doing anything stupid).

I really though I was doing good an it would be a piece of cake getting down to 2mg and jumping but now after some research it seems most people get down to .25 - .50mg a day before jumping ship. I am now 965 hours into it (4 days) and I havent felt anything except restless legs so far, I have been taking some Loperamide, I'm hoping that isn't going to delay me getting off this.

I am just curious of what I should or could expect, all the stories I have read about on here are people that quit on super super low dosage so at 2mg a day, am I screwed for a while now?

 

[Ohayou]

Honestly,jumping off from even the smallest conceivable dose is so incredibly hard. Buy some loperamide to get you through the WD's, I wish I had known about it when I used to run out of buprenorphine. Loperamide is just another thing you will have WD's from though, as now I find myself stuck on loperamide instead of bupe, but at least it's cheaper.

 

[i are spectre]

depends on the loperamide dose and your body. id quit with the loperamide immediately. it is a full agonist.

i dont know which is worse, suboxone withdrawal or loperamide withdrawal, but they are both a very awful and very long lasting experience.

ween off the loperamide as quickly as possible. then just ride it out. there really isn't much else you can do.

don't take benzos. don't take other drugs. it will only delay and intensify your experience.

expect at least 14 days from the last use of any substance for the worst to end.

 

[CodeDevelopr]

@Ohayou I was afraid of that with the loperamide I guess it isn't the miracle for this, how long have you been using it?

 

[Ohayou]

For about three weeks but spectre just scared me a bit, now I'm not sure what I'm going to do. I guess I'll just rapidly ween off the lope and go through it sooner rather than later. You wouldn't think an OTC diarrhea medication would have worse withdrawal than buprenorphine but many say it does. Maybe I'll ween off using my last butrans patch instead, cutting it into 1/8ths or something.

 

[Znegative]

depends on the loperamide dose and your body. id quit with the loperamide immediately. it is a full agonist.

i dont know which is worse, suboxone withdrawal or loperamide withdrawal, but they are both a very awful and very long lasting experience.

ween off the loperamide as quickly as possible. then just ride it out. there really isn't much else you can do.

don't take benzos. don't take other drugs. it will only delay and intensify your experience.

expect at least 14 days from the last use of any substance for the worst to end.

I don't know if I agree with this. Detoxing without using anything would be ideal but the probability of relapsing is pretty high. I don't think using benzos sparingly for sleep and anxiety is such a bad thing honestly, unless you've had problems with them in the past. Gabapentin and lyrica really help a lot with anxiety and insomnia and can be a good alternative, and gabapentin is not very addicting IMO. I was taking high dosages daily for months and was able to quit without tapering or anything, two weeks of using gabapentin is unlikely to cause any problems. I'm personally at the same dose as you are,1mg, and would like to get off sometime in the year, just to see how I cope without ORT, however, I plan to taper to a much smaller dose before jumping off, hopefully somewhere around .1 mg per day, and would suggest that instead of just dropping the suboxone completely, that you start skipping days in between dosing, and low the dose each time the day comes to take your suboxone. I've never done it, but of the suboxone detox success storys that I've heard (and I've researched this subject a lot) it seems like this worked well.

 

[Znegative]

Stuckinaloop, would you sublingual that powder or sniff it? I just ask cause I'm on the suboxone strips so it's a lot easier to measure out small doses but always wonded what people with suboxone or subutex tablets due when they get to.5 mg. btw, NYC is what's up

 

[Znegative]

Yeah that's smart, I read some post on the internet about a guy tapering and when he got down to .25 mg a day he started snorting the powder because it was too hard for him to take sublingually or some shit, and he was real confused as to why his decrease in his dosage felt exactly the same as .5mg sublingually, cause he didn't understand the difference of absorption. And yeah I get mad paranoid if I switch up my ROA, I worked so hard to get down to .5 2x a day, I'm scared to death of raising my tolerance. In the past though I would have tried to get high off taking like four mg, but I'm pretty convinced that wouldn't work and I'd just feel depressed fucking up the roll I'm on

 

[Tommyboy]

I'm just gonna copy/paste a post of mine from another thread that was similar.

It varies, but for me it's about 3x longer than withdrawal from other opiates. The "peak" of withdrawals lasted for 3 days, with 2 bad days of withdrawal leading up to the 3 day peak, and another couple of days of moderate withdrawals after that 3 day peak. So a week of moderate to severe withdrawals, followed by another week of lingering withdrawals, followed by a longer period in which your body gets used to functioning without opiates. It gets a lot better after week 1 though.

If you taper down more, it won't be as bad though. You are likely going to suffers PAWS due to the amount of time that you have been using opiates. 2mgs is still a high dose to jump off at, and one of the main points of being on suboxone is to taper down to a very low dose to prevent the more severe withdrawals that come with high dose opiates. Its known to give longer withdrawals than other opiates, but the severity isn't supposed to be as bad since you should be down to .25 or lower when you get off. Stopping at 2mgs would give you both the severe withdrawals, along with them being longer and more drawn out. If you taper down to a low dose the withdrawals should be very mild, but still a bit drawn out.

 

[Ohayou]

You can do it. I would love to hear another success story of coming off Suboxone, especially if you can stay away from drug abuse afterwards.

 

[dcraver877]

get some clonidine and kratom and herbs and whatnot...lemon water...etc...

 

[i are spectre]

calling someone 'fucking weak' is uncalled for here.

ive tried kicking bupe at doses of .25mg and its rough.

but from what i understand, OP doesnt have any more suboxone.

i'd say get off everything and go for it. youre a 6 months, dont keep dragging it on. things are only going to get worse.

get off while you still can mate. you may not get another chance like this.

withdrawal from 6 months of bupe isnt nearly as bad as 2 years, or 5 years. throw in a bunch of loperamide and/or other drugs and it's going to be one of the most painful and horrid experiences to withdrawal and your chances of remaining sober will shrivel up to the size of a crusty green diarrhea stain on the inside of a walmart toilet on skid row.

 

[muvolution]

Lets keep it civil in here, OK?

OP, withdrawal is withdrawal. It is never fun. Just do it and get through it. Water, exercise, diet.

 

[muvolution]

Next person to make an off-topic post with a personal insult in it will receive an infraction. Keep it on topic, or don't post. Your choice.

 

[Tommyboy]

It's up to you with how much you want to taper. There is a trade off with tapering, meaning the longer you taper, the longer your body gets used to being on the drug, so although it will be easier to get off at the lower dose, it's going to be longer until you get clean, and it can make PAWS a bit worse.

Try to set a date/goal for when you want to be clean by, and then schedule your tapering doses accordingly. The info is out there about tapering and withdrawals, so for the most part the ball is in your court.

 

[CodeDevelopr]

@Ohayou Wikipedia says Lopermide has a half-life 9.1 to 14.4 hours (average 10.8 hours) so possibly it would be faster to get off of

 

[luvthatpoppy]

From what I read u said u were out of Suboxone and couldn't get anymore, so that cancels out theoption for tapering to a lower dose. Its gonna suck. My experience coming off it after three months was horrible. But I didn't taper at all. Good luck! Benadryl helped me with we.

 

[CodeDevelopr]

does anyone know if there is something OTC I could take for the stomach discomfort, that is my main weakness it drives me nuts to have like a slight pain/awkward type feeling in my stomach for tons of hours straight, that's what usually makes me give up and take something. I mean beside taking Loperamide?

 

[CodeDevelopr]

@luvthatpoppy your story interest me as it may be closer to what I may experience, could you tell me what the Benadryl helped with? Also did you use Loperamide (Imodium) any? I used it for the last coulpe days before I found out it is just post-poning the process

 

[Tommyboy]

does anyone know if there is something OTC I could take for the stomach discomfort, that is my main weakness it drives me nuts to have like a slight pain/awkward type feeling in my stomach for tons of hours straight, that's what usually makes me give up and take something. I mean beside taking Loperamide?

I'm not sure of anything for stomach pain other than the loperamide. Are you sure that it's caused from the withdrawal, and not something else that may be masked by your opiate use, and then shows up when you are out? I ask because some people will chalk something up to withdrawals, so they keep using, when is actuality the problem is not related to withdrawals.