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Tranced said:
Can somebody please give me a quick summary of the new drug laws in America?

What has been passed and which drugs are being banned?

I haven't been paying much attention but I see a lot of talk about 2c-i. Are tryptamines being banned as well?
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Mephedrone, Methylone, and MDPV were emergency scheduled a few months ago.

there is a new bill that just passed the house that is attempting to ban pretty much all the currently popular synthetic cannabinoids, stimulants/empathogens, and i think 8 of the most popular 2C's. google "HR 1254" to see the bill.

that bill, however, just got held up in the senate by Ron Paul's son Dr. Rand Paul. Rand says that the bill's wording is too strict and would cause some major roadblocks for legitimate scientific research. yay Rand.

otherwise the last major drug laws that changed that i am aware of and are relevant to this forum.... was the JWH-018/JWH-073 etc ban from a couple years ago.

the reason 2C-E is on that bill is because it supposedly killed a bunch of kids in the midwest. they got added to the bill pretty quickly, but then it turns out that the kids actually were given Bromo-Dragonfly by the vendor... unfortunately the 2C's were already on the bill by the point the truth came out. =/
 
how to fine tune one's own biochemistry to make this stupid human body organism the way i'd like it to be ? follow sensory pleasure or follow logical understanding ?
 
Hello. :)

Floatin' on some sublingual MXE this evening. Yep, yep, yep. My suspicions are proved correct. Dissociatives make me yearn for company. However, I never really have any while I'm trippin', because I'm so used to being all introspective and asocial while I'm high, so I never make any plans. Hmm...


MXE is like... how you imagined "drugs" before you ever tried them. At least, for me it is.
 
Errghh. I recently ate a salad, three large beef ribs, and two mashed potatoes. I don't even want this shit in my body right now.

I just tried finger-down-the-throat technique, but I really suck at intentionally vomiting. Any tips? :P
 
TheAppleCore said:
Dissociatives make me yearn for company
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Now this sentiment is one I cannot understand at all. People would just ruin my perfect little dissociated world.

tac said:
Errghh. I recently ate a salad, three large beef ribs, and two mashed potatoes. I don't even want this shit in my body right now.

I just tried finger-down-the-throat technique, but I really suck at intentionally vomiting. Any tips? :P
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Try drinking hard liquor while super high and nauseous on opiates, that makes me throw up within 1min. Or drink a bunch of robo. I dunno, I've never tried to throw up food before, why don't you just let your digestive system do its thing?
 
^ I dunno man, to be honest lately I've been pretty pissed off with my digestive system. Things just don't feel right. I used to eat a lot more raw foods, but I've been pretty lax about my diet lately, due to sheer laziness, and I've mostly been eating cooked stuff. So I think I just need to turn my diet around.


Regarding other peoplez on dissociatives, this is still entirely theoretical here. I haven't actually tripped on dissociatives in the company of other human beings. But I always have an itch for company. It's odd. I'll have to put it to the test.

Anyway, what's goin' on in your neck of the woods, NKB? :)
 
A number of people on here have reported that they love using dissociatives with others, so it might be really fun for you. For me, they more represent a castle within in my mind where no one can intrude. A place to go where you can even get away from yourself. Opening that up and sharing it would defeat the very purpose.

I hate my digestive system too, but that's because of the intermittent pain that's been happening in my gut this past week.
 
MXE... yes... fascinating substance. I love writing on dissociatives. Here, have some drug-ramblings:


I suddenly had the very peculiar sensation that I'm somehow coming home. That I've been here before. It's a comforting sensation.

Why don't most people get high? Clearly they are much more afraid of intoxication than I am. Or is it that they don't find it as rewarding, or exciting? Here is my question. Are most sober people sober because they are afraid of getting high, or are they simply bored by intoxication? Are they trying to protect themselves from some great evil, or do they find taking drugs to be far too dull?

The ephemeral nature of reality is suddenly reappearing. As if, I knew all along, that nothing lasted forever. But I forgot. I lived in the delusion that I would continue to live my life exactly the way I do now, forever and ever. But now I remember that things are quickly shifting. My future will look nothing like the present. I almost want to call all of my friends and family on the phone. "Brothers and sisters, look! Everything is changing, decaying, dying, giving birth. You'll never see this moment again."

Music is perceived in a shocking, new light. No longer am I the participant in the musical event. I am a distant observer of the music, and the musicians themselves. I listen to the song, and see the band play the music in my mind's eye, as if I were an alien from outer space attending a concert. However, I am a highly intelligent alien. And I can clearly perceive how and why these sounds delight the audience and the musicians themselves. I understand the algorithms and formulae to which the music must be confined, so that the audience is pleased with the sounds. The music must follow certain patterns, repetitions, rhythms. Four beats in a bar. Four bars in a phrase. Repeat the phrase. Repeat again, with one slight alteration, to retain a sense of novelty. It's all a childish game. The musicians and the audience are all just playing with simple math. Meanwhile, a single string of the guitarist's instrument is vibrating in a motion so complex that not even the most advanced mathematical language of humankind could possibly describe its waveform.

My little children. So blissfully unaware of my infinite power. Their ignorance is precisely their purpose, and the reason that I created them all. To soothe the pains of remembering every fiery death of every star in the night sky. To silence the deafening screeches of gears in the machine, grinding against each other, turning endlessly, echoing through black empty space. The human race is my drug, my escapism, my only means of sunshine, and quiet peaceful sleep. But, as every dream must come to an awakening, so the sun will swallow the earth.
 
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so last time i dropped acid i had a difficult trip and, at the end, this terrible realisation of the fragility of the biochemistry of the human body

if you inject someone with a load of amphetamine, their behavior will undoubtably change, si ?

so surely all the random chemicals we take in on a daily basis must affect our behavior ? diesel fumes, plastic residues, cleaning products, pesticides, the level of oxygen or dust or mould in the air, dynamic room temperature, the amount of sunlight the thickness of your window lets in, the brightness of the lights we are exposed to; all these perhaps endless things it would be impossible to try and control all of, yet they all collaborate to make us who we are on a day to day basis, yes/no ?

so we just products of a day to day strange dynamic chemistry experiment ?? i'd like to hear different perspectives on this ?
 
^I would definitely say that all things such as pollution, the detritus of modern western decadence (ie, plastic, pesticide, etc and so on) affect us in varying ways but its incomparable to an injection of amphetamine. Amps are pretty much soley a nerological catalyst (I'm sure you could use amphetamine as a really vile table salt or maybe even a type of talcum powder) which can't be honestly compared to the other things you mentioned, at least in terms of overall physical effect and the concentration and directness of admistering amphetamines.

Thingss like pllution defintely have health effects but, for me at least, one of the dominant adverse effects is the sense of aesthetic depression i feel when I see rubbish, smokey horizons and blazing pink sunsets. I cant ignore the sometimes explicit threat that we face from polluition even if I only encounter it at realtively small and probably 'harmless' levels. Its more spiritually depresing; who can say what the actual definitive physica and pyschological effects of it are, maybe it promotes a reduction in serotonin (probably not) but on a personal level, I cannot interact with a polluted, chemical laden environment (besides my own drug chamber) nor can I relate to a landscape smothered in waste and grime. The chemistry of our bodies is possibly (hopefully?) not as vulnerable and easily manipulated as you may fear...

I'm not sure we are products of a chemisstry experiement in any real sense, but we are surely living in a world which is (for our brains) laregely mediated by chemical and subsequent electrical actitivty, though that is only one part of things. It doesn't pay to be too afraid of the unknown and personify it and turn it into something with organisation and intent; just try and exist alongside the unknown without giving into it or trying to consume it.

In other news, i just shaved my hairy head/......

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My little children. So blissfully unaware of my infinite power. Their ignorance is precisely their purpose, and the reason that I created them all. To soothe the pains of remembering every fiery death of every star in the night sky. To silence the deafening screeches of gears in the machine, grinding against each other, turning endlessly, echoing through black empty space. The human race is my drug, my escapism, my only means of sunshine, and quiet peaceful sleep. But, as every dream must come to an awakening, so the sun will swallow the earth.
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I really liked that :) You have some exceptionally thought provoking thoughts Applecore <3

My mother has gone away for a few days with my uncle and aunt, and I've been drafted to mind the dog, a tiny little australian terrier named izzy. She's really sweet, too small for my tastes (I only eat big dogs- right) but she is rally feisty and quite agressive in a small pompous way. I love her even thoug she just vomited on my arm...:)

So hot today, windy and turbulent, a nice day to drink iced coffee, smoke weed and play the piano...:)
 
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willow11 said:
I really liked that :) You have some exceptionally thought provoking thoughts Applecore <3
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Thanks man, it's good to hear that my thoughts are appreciated from time to time. :) Also, I didn't know you played the piano. That's one of my favorite things to do, even though I totally suck. I think it's just an amazing, unique pleasure to be able to spontaneously express myself through music, no matter how simplistic, or how much it pales in comparison to the improvisation of the jazz piano greats. :)


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Are you extracting the DMT or ayahuascaizing it?
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Extracting this time. :) I was planning on getting deeper into ayahuasca and really exploring the potential of the jungle brew, but right now I'm taking propranolol which is contraindicated with MAOIs... :\ So it's back to straight DMT for me.
 
^Ha, yeah, well piano is the first instrument I learned, really great for learning how to read music and understand a bit about what music actually is. I'm not a great piano player but its very satisfying. My actual piano which my dad left for me resides at my mothers; my apartment is way too small for it, but when I have my own island I think i'll be able to find room. :)

I prefer playing guitar though...I would love to be able to competently play the cello, of which I can play to an extent but with no real feeling for it or understanding of its subtlety. I watched a fabulous doco on Rostropovich, a late russian cellist, who absolutely shreds it. So intense, he would regularly break strings with vibrato (!) and is said to have had the longest legato style in recording history. Watch some clips of him, relaly powerful and an absolute crazy man...:):)

Peace....<3
 
thanks for the reply willow, needed a new perspective ! yes i find it a bit depressing too, see what you mean - more of an emotional/spiritual impact then a biochemical one, think i get obsessive compulsive, pessimistic about it, perhaps trying to hold too much control, thank you for the reassurance

am mainly trying to boost testosterone levels to how they use to be... think it's perhaps simply careful diet, careful exercise

cut off all my hair too a month or so ago too, refreshing eh ? found it a bit daunting at first, exposing, but after a month it's just become the normal, feels a bit buddhist monk
 
huolesoh said:
so last time i dropped acid i had a difficult trip and, at the end, this terrible realisation of the fragility of the biochemistry of the human body

if you inject someone with a load of amphetamine, their behavior will undoubtably change, si ?

so surely all the random chemicals we take in on a daily basis must affect our behavior ? diesel fumes, plastic residues, cleaning products, pesticides, the level of oxygen or dust or mould in the air, dynamic room temperature, the amount of sunlight the thickness of your window lets in, the brightness of the lights we are exposed to; all these perhaps endless things it would be impossible to try and control all of, yet they all collaborate to make us who we are on a day to day basis, yes/no ?

so we just products of a day to day strange dynamic chemistry experiment ?? i'd like to hear different perspectives on this ?
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Why else is there fluoride in tap water?

Just because your paranoid, don't mean their not after you....
 
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