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Heroin Social: Version 5

Sepher said:
It's just heroin, slightly purer than the gear on the foil you started with because a lot of the crap has been left behind as you run it, but it's exactly the same stuff in exactly the same form. You're not burning heroin when you chase it remember, you're vapourising it, so it's not a tar residue or an oxide or anything like that. Solid turns to liquid when heated and then vapour when it boils, some of that condensing back out when it hits a cold surface like the tooter you're pulling it through and sticking to it. Can't give you a citation but not sure one's needed? It's that straight-forward.
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Great post Sepher! :) What you say about the heroin in the tooter been purer i totally agree with! I have always thought that if you save up enough residue if a few tooters & then you pick it off all the tooters & put the residue all together on a new tray of foil then you end up with one super strong tray of gear! I have got nice & stoned a few times this way!

Back before the drought when good gear was plentiful i used to save up loads of tooters, & then if there was a night that i was broke or if i couldn't score i'd make up a nice big tray out of these tooters! Those trays always seemed stronger, sometimes i wondered if i was imagining it, but it seems they were indeed stronger!!! :)

God i miss strong gear, i'm smoking a tray of Dublins finest crap right now as i type! 8(
 
@ strungout2010 - Nah, I left behind daily pickup a long, long time ago, far too much of a ballache! Drinking it in front of the chemist and sometimes other customers was just horrendous. I also used the excuse of work meaning I couldn't reliably make it there every day! Lies but they worked. I'm lucky enough to pick up once a week now and have done for a good few years now but I still class that as a bit of a pain in the tits still!

I agree that the gear on the tooter is a bit stronger than the original gear. I can see that some of the impurities have been frazzled out of it or get left behind from the original smoking of it. I don't think it's that much stronger though, just a bit.

Does everyone else agree that the amount that collects on the tooter is a good indication of quality? I mean I've had gear that's been great but not collected much (very, very rare) and I've had gear that collects lots but hasn't been so great (also quite rare) so it's not a fail safe method of quality testing but it works for me nearly always.
 
Sepher said:
It's just heroin, slightly purer than the gear on the foil you started with because a lot of the crap has been left behind as you run it, but it's exactly the same stuff in exactly the same form. You're not burning heroin when you chase it remember, you're vapourising it, so it's not a tar residue or an oxide or anything like that. Solid turns to liquid when heated and then vapour when it boils, some of that condensing back out when it hits a cold surface like the tooter you're pulling it through and sticking to it. Can't give you a citation but not sure one's needed? It's that straight-forward.
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Sorry mate not as simple as that the gear is certainly not stronger in the tooter and it does contain tar (put a piece of white cloth over a ciggy and puff - it turns yellow from tar and nicotene). Your premis is wrong the solid doesnt turn to liquid then vapour it turns to smoke - check the degrees heroin burns and vaporises at its not the same.
 
well all i know is leaving my pipe unscraped for a while has paid off. %)

mmh nice. even if a lot of it is in my head, i dont care. cus im feeling relaxed and drowsy. best scrap iv ever had. %)
 
blondin said:
Sorry mate not as simple as that the gear is certainly not stronger in the tooter and it does contain tar (put a piece of white cloth over a ciggy and puff - it turns yellow from tar and nicotene). Your premis is wrong the solid doesnt turn to liquid then vapour it turns to smoke - check the degrees heroin burns and vaporises at its not the same.
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Erm... whatever you meant by that, I've a feeling it's wrong.

What collects on your tooter is exactly what Sepher said.
 
wcote said:
well all i know is leaving my pipe unscraped for a while has paid off. %)

mmh nice. even if a lot of it is in my head, i dont care. cus im feeling relaxed and drowsy. best scrap iv ever had. %)
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Na, its not in your head Wcote! The tooter is a little bit stronger! What Sepher said makes perfect sense! :)
 
mmmh its a big reason to why like smoking gear with pipe..... the reward im having right now.

one of mates who smoked at least 2-3g a day would leave his pipe til it blocked up!!!!!

It certainly seemed more bang for you buck..... i dont smoke enough to get the treat he had. but man oh man, when he shared it with me i nodded STRONG, of fuck all....

uuum... ah so relaxed. %)
 
wcote said:
mmmh its a big reason to why like smoking gear with pipe..... the reward im having right now.

one of mates who smoked at least 2-3g a day would leave his pipe til it blocked up!!!!!

It certainly seemed more bang for you buck..... i dont smoke enough to get the treat he had. but man oh man, when he shared it with me i nodded STRONG, of fuck all....

uuum... ah so relaxed. %)
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could you do a video of it and email it to me as i would love to try it but it might be to much to ask no problem if you can't
 
an video of what? how to smoke with a pipe?

photos would be best me thinks. easier, and actually probs clearer.
 
@ wcote
one of mates who smoked at least 2-3g a day would leave his pipe til it blocked up!!!!!

That's the problem that I found with using a pipe. The amount of gear I went through.
It's just the same as smoking crack , it's all over to quick , and then you want another pipe.
It far more chilled , having a toot IMO.
 
I can see were your coming from. He did have monster habit for 15 years mind..... and he could afford to put 2-3g aside for himself.

I personally dont get that problem myself. But I could see how one might.

It is really enjoyable being able to have cheeky toot or two in a pub whilst have a pint if Guinness and reading the paper %)

you couldnt really get your foil out =D
 
well thanks for all the info chaps, i've decided just to chase it off foil. my technique is still shit.

I'm thinking of sticking a bit in a cannabis vaporizer and trying that.

1 bag down and feeling like vomit is going to happen soon :|
 
I scored herion for a mate tonight, and wasn't even tempted myself as I had money. I call that progress, with the help of Methadone.

It's the white that I have an issue with. That's psychological. I'll get there, leaving the city is the key,and i'm doing it.It's hard to get crack where i'm going.
 
Easy now. As always if I come across rude, I dont mean to be, just looking for the best.:)

Yeah cherry fair shout for picking up for a mate, im sure its not a regular ting, but fuck knows man maybe on the way back some shit goes down, you get upset and you wanna use? A million and one things could happen which makes another night different from tonight, .... It is progress, but you shouldnt be even scoring. Cus progress can go quick.... unfortunately :|

Now I dont know the backround story to why you pick up, but I would still say be SELFISH, dont pick up. you have to be selfish. :\

The meth played a small role, cus other things beside you were STRONG tonight. That was your will power, not the Methadone that meant you didnt use. :)

Dont see living Bristol as key, but a important part of you getting clean. Cus dump us users anywhere and most of us could score V quick. I did the same as you, so I know how important leaving Bristol is.....

but there probs will be time were you moving to when you bump into crack..... and you gotta be prepared. you cant let your guard down.

safe.
 
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I've noticed that I don't need nearly as much methadone now. After spending 3 or 4 days on the gear I think my opiate tolerance has gone thru the floor. I did need a good 80ml for the 1st day then at least 50 - 60 for subsequent days but now 50ml on day 1 is making me sleepy! I've heard of people giving -ve samples earlier in the year and being clean without knowing it so I reckon I might need even less meth in reality.

I reckon we'll know the gear is back to normal by lots and lots of people OD'ing. Unless it happens really, really gradually.
 
blondin said:
Sorry mate not as simple as that the gear is certainly not stronger in the tooter and it does contain tar (put a piece of white cloth over a ciggy and puff - it turns yellow from tar and nicotene). Your premis is wrong the solid doesnt turn to liquid then vapour it turns to smoke - check the degrees heroin burns and vaporises at its not the same.
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Well one of us has got to be wrong, but I'm not sure it's me? You are not burning Heroin. You are vaporising it. That is the whole point of the foil: it allows you to use controlled, indirect heat so as to not burn it. You wanted citations. Will this do:

http://www.ccbh.nl/publicaties/Klous_et_al_Pharmaceutical_heroin_for_inhalation.pdf

The experiment is designed to mimic what happens when H is heated on foil and inhaled through a (cold) tube. A tablet of base heroin was indirectly heated in a crucible to 300 degrees C, the vapour produced being collected in a condenser. The condenser was then washed out and the residue tested. It was found to consist almost entirely of diamorphine base in exactly the same form as that started out with, with a little 6-acetylmorphine ( < 6% ). 85.6% of the diamorphine base started out with was recovered unchanged, either from the condenser or from the non-volatilised residue left in the crucible.

Now where's my fucking Mars bar? :P
 
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