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Opioids Opana Taper/Withdrawl

mtd311

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Hey guys maybe you can help. I am trying to kick a nasty opana addiction because I see what its been doing to family and friends and MySELF! I am up to about on opana 40 a day for about 3 weeks. I have stopped for a few days here and there and get horrible dirreaha and anxiety and depression. My question to you guys what is your advice for a taper? I have one 40mg opana left and 6 perk 7.5's could anyone give me advice on what I should be eating and how i should train (work out).

I dont even know if its possible to taper with only one opana left?!?! Should I just toot it and get high as hell or is it possible to taper with amount I have. I snow plow so being sick sucks but wont really effect my job.

Thanks in advance for help, i am really want to kick it! This was my first post so sorry if its in the wrong spot
 
Alright well what you explained earlier was withdrAwal starting hence you goin back to taking Opana again. If you want to take the last 40 and get high as hell it's not gonna help and you're gonna go through the sickness. Working while being sick is gonna suck. Been there done that and hated every moment of it. Try tapering man. Split it in half and try taking it for the day. Im guessing you're snorting it? So then from there on use the Percs. Opana is way stronger then the Percs but try making them last a couple days to ease withdrawal for afterwards and with luck after you're done with the Percs your withdrawal will be a lot milder than it would have been stopping completely after gettin really high for one day. Either way man there's gonna be pain and withdrawal. Check some other threads for that though. Def look into Loperamide for when you start going into withdrawal as it helps ease physical symptoms.
 
kidNapster, yes I have been snorting the opanas. The mental withdrawls gets to me worse than the physical ones. I have already done one opana 40 mg today, so it is in my system and i will not get sick/mental. If I dont do anymore all day I will be fine until i wake up tomorrow, I will be pissing out my ass and just a mental mess. I think it would be best for me to not do anymore all day obviously. I will then wait till i feel sick/depressed and break a quarter off the full 40mg snort it wait, then repeat maybe day 1 10mg day 2 10 mg day 3 5mg day 4 5mg. Then I also have the perks 7.5s.

Anymore advice anyone? Should i try to work out and sweat out the toxins in my body?
 
The taper should be good. Working out is good as it releases natural feel good endorphins. But in my experience good luck with trying that while feeling like crap. As for the diarehea, I've mentioned looking into loperamide which will help with that diarehea definitely and will help with a lot of your withdrawal symptoms at larger than recommended doses. If its withdrawal advice you're looking for now than yea go with that. When I had very mild withdrawal and worked out by running it actually did help so itll help if you can do it
 
kidNapster, yes I have been snorting the opanas. The mental withdrawls gets to me worse than the physical ones. I have already done one opana 40 mg today, so it is in my system and i will not get sick/mental. If I dont do anymore all day I will be fine until i wake up tomorrow, I will be pissing out my ass and just a mental mess. I think it would be best for me to not do anymore all day obviously. I will then wait till i feel sick/depressed and break a quarter off the full 40mg snort it wait, then repeat maybe day 1 10mg day 2 10 mg day 3 5mg day 4 5mg. Then I also have the perks 7.5s.

Anymore advice anyone? Should i try to work out and sweat out the toxins in my body?
 
Kid Napster I push snow for the winter and its suppose to be clear for about a week so the work situation is good becuase i wont be withdrawling at work. Does anyone else have any taper advice? Like I said I have 1 40mg opana left and 6 perk 7.5's. Been on and off for about 2 months but probably averaging about 30-40 mg a day for 3 weeks.
 
You can work out for the endorphin's it produces but not to "sweat out toxins".
Withdrawals are not a result of removing "toxins". Your getting sick because your body is used to the substance.
Not because your body wants to get rid of it. :) So yes exercising can help but not because of any "toxin" removal.
It helps because it produces endorphins. There are tons of threads on tapering & withdrawal aids if you search a bit.

Personally considering the brutality of Oxymorphone withdrawals as opposed to other opiates
I would try to taper with something else if possible.
A quick suboxone or methadone taper could be of use. Though quitting without aid is possible.
As when I came off Oxymorphone (120-150mg per day via nasal) I cold turkey'd & it was doable.
So there's definitively hope for you. But as I stated Oxymorphone withdrawals are overly bad.
Tapering with a different opiate may be less painful than tapering with Oxymorphone.
As coming off a different opiate will likely hurt less than coming directly off Oxymorphone.
Regardless from my experience coming off Oxymorphone was a bitch & I wish you the best of luck.
 
Thanks man how long did it take for you to feel normal again if ever? Ya i just got off the phone with my friend that i havent talked to in 4 days and he said he didnt want to get out out of bed he was 4 days clean of Opana. He told me good luck cuz its a bitch!
 
You can work out for the endorphin's it produces but not to "sweat out toxins".
Withdrawals are not a result of removing "toxins". Your getting sick because your body is used to the substance.
Not because your body wants to get rid of it. :) So yes exercising can help but not because of any "toxin" removal.
It helps because it produces endorphins. There are tons of threads on tapering & withdrawal aids if you search a bit.

Personally considering the brutality of Oxymorphone withdrawals as opposed to other opiates
I would try to taper with something else if possible.
A quick suboxone or methadone taper could be of use. Though quitting without aid is possible.
As when I came off Oxymorphone (120-150mg per day via nasal) I cold turkey'd & it was doable.
So there's definitively hope for you. But as I stated Oxymorphone withdrawals are overly bad.
Tapering with a different opiate may be less painful than tapering with Oxymorphone.
As coming off a different opiate will likely hurt less than coming directly off Oxymorphone.
Regardless from my experience coming off Oxymorphone was a bitch & I wish you the best of luck.

In your experience what would you say would be a good drug to use to taper? And i always thought that going to saunas would help but i guess it doesnt?
 
Scratch what I said earlier I have a new plan. I was able to get my hands on 2 8mg suboxone strips. So ya the opana is up the nose =D. Any tips on what I should do now? I am new to subs and withdrawls so I am pretty clueless. I am thinking I will begin withdrawls sometime tomorrow in the morning. So I will probably take a quarter when I wake up wait an hour and see how I feel. Hopefully I can get away with taking a quarter a day. That will get me through 4 days without withdrawl symptoms and hopefully everything will be out of my system by then. I am actually pretty excited to get clean and save some money1

Advice?
 
To answer the couple of questions/posts I see since last I've checked see the following.

I always used either suboxone or methadone to taper then switched to something short acting like oxy or morphine.
As long acting opiates like sub or methadone have longer w/d times. So I taper using them & then use oxy or morph.
Just for a few days to a week till mdone or sub out of system then I jump.

When I jumped off 120-150mg Oxymorphone nasally I felt better after a week, relatively normal after 2.
Though that was a completely different jump. I cold turkey'd it & also gave up other drugs / cigs at same time.
Paws / no proper sleep / pain (I have pain issues to begin with) came back & I relapsed after 2 months.
Ended up doing all the same things again though had I realized how bad my habit would get I would not have restarted.
I was trying to control pain issues but I now realize the pain is better than the constant battle of dependency.
I'm currently tapering again off a much larger habit. 100mcg/hr Fent Patches + other opiates on top via IV.
But I digress, that's my issues not yours. :) Just wanted to answer your question regarding time-frames.

Now as for the Suboxone questions. I'm not as familiar as I've not had as good luck with suboxone as I do methadone.
Though everyone differs & lots of people feel the opposite. I found Suboxone more useful when I had a lower tolerance.
The literature would concur as Suboxone has a ceiling dose/effect. However with your tolerance this shouldn't be an issue.
I've used Suboxone maybe a few months total over the course of a few years spread out between various occasions.
Though most of my usage was when my tolerance level was closer to yours & as such should be more applicable.
Less is more with Suboxone & one can get by on surprisingly low doses. Regardless switching off Oxymorphone
chances are you will have some w/d's for a few days before you adjust. As Oxymorphone seems to be worst for w/d's IMHO.
I would use the Suboxone for a quick taper & then either do something short acting for a few days or just jump.
Depends how low you taper the Suboxone & your person physiology.
You may be able to jump straight off with relatively little in the way of issues it varies person to person.

I see you said
That will get me through 4 days without withdrawl symptoms and hopefully everything will be out of my system by then.

I may be misunderstanding you or perhaps you are misinformed. Having everything out of your system doesn't mean w/d's are over.
When everything is out of your system is when the real withdrawals start.
As withdrawals are a result of your body lacking what it's used to. Not from removing a "toxin".
Suboxone (Buprenorphine) is a partial agonist. As such it is still an opiate.
So when taking Suboxone you still have opiates in your system.
As a partial agonist it should be milder to w/d from. Compared to Oxymorphone I'd say it's definitively milder.
When your done tapering the Suboxone then you will experience w/d's as you won't have opiates
(Suboxone in this case) in your system anymore.
Due to the long half life of Suboxone w/d's may take a day or 2 to really kick in.
However they will be milder than Oxymorphone w/d's are / would be.
The Suboxone (Opiates) won't actually be out of your system for likely a week or more due to the half life.
This actually should help your w/d's to be milder as the opiate leaves your body more slowly.
Allowing you to come off more gradually & hopefully have an easier time of it.

Hopefully that information helps you & if I had more time I'd elaborate more. I'll try to keep on eye on this thread regardless.
Also since you seem to be going with the Suboxone route I would highly recommend giving the following a read.

Suboxone & Buprenorphine Mega Thread & FAQ-v13.0

The above thread is full of great information regarding Suboxone, tapering, maintenance & good discussions regarding them.
If you have questions regarding Suboxone & tapering & what not; that thread is a great place to start or post.

Hopefully I've helped answer your questions a bit & I wish you the best of luck with your goals.
 
Thanks for your help Industrial Strength. Reading some of the other posters habits on here mine seems very minut, compared to most. But a addiction is an addiction. Today was my first day clean of opiates, I woke up in sweats this morning stumbled over to my drug office and cut a strip and popped half in my mouth, they suck! lol i had to use a full one because they kept getting stuck to my teeth and didnt disolve right under my tounge. I fell back asleep for a couple hours and woke up feeling lightweight groggy but didnt have any withdrawl symptoms besides the back of my calfs are really sore. Tomorrow i plan on eating another quarter when I wake up and see how I do with that.
 
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