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Personality traits to watchout when deciding to introduce people to psychedelics

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In NYE without really thinking gave to 6 friends acid and 2cb 2 friends that never done. The trip was very chaotic and disorganized with one of them going going mad destroying shit and another friend also totally abstracted from reality, not giving a shit. I also think the factor of all being guys and large group didnt help, and everyone entered that typical lets-do-shit wagon.

Do you have any worth of advice for introducing people to psycheledics? Signs to watchout or simply go with the flow?

Cheers. :)
 
First of all don't dose them on a whim and keep the number of peeps you're getting fucked to a controllable minimum (like one at a time for now). Have them read info on the drug in question beforehand and quiz them to make sure they understood the really important bits. Do yourself a favour and don't ever try to get insecure, adolescent, anxiety ridden, immature, reckless, dumb, egotistical, narcissistic or people with anger management issue high on psychs when you're around (kinda obvious I should think ;) ). If that's the kinda crowd you're usually hanging out with, find yourself better friends.
 
I met a crazy englishman once many years ago who told me this story, in the 1970's he found himself in greece with a serious heroin addiction, he got arrested and was strung out and freaking out, so in those days in greece he reckoned they didn't distinguish between a drug addict and a loony basically, and so he found himself shipped off to some island lunatic asylum like some kind of old castle or fortress type of place, barbarious, inhumane treatmentless conditions abound and there he found himself, going cold turkey in a greek mental asylum where no one spoke english.

So he gets through it, lives to tell the tale, and after afew weeks he's over the dope withdrawls, but... is still classified as insane and is still imprisoned on this island, he gets a job as some kind of orderly or gets some kitchen duties and is working his way towards getting out of the hell hole.

Well xmas is coming, and he notices a heap of wild datura plants growing around the grounds of the place, so he gathers up a whole bunch of the shit, armfulls he reckoned, chops it all up, and adds it to the xmas day soup pot, then it is fed to a few hundred insane greek maniacs, so this english guy then climbs up onto some kind of tower or rampart out of the way, sits back and watches the day unfold.

He finished the story by sitting back proudly in his chair, breaking into a huge grin and saing "BEST XMAS I EVER HAD !".
 
^ What a horrible thing to do to the other patients. They were in the same situation he was, if not worse off. Then there's the risk of fatality. Must have cause a hell of a lot of problems for the staff though.
 
In view of that enlightening story webbykevin graciously chose to share with us, I retract my comment above. I admittedly didn't quite grasp the exquisite and rare type of mayhem the OP unexpectedly managed to spark. Let me rephrase my advice: Dose 'em up! Spike their sodas like every weekend as long as you can get away with it, and make sure to post some youtube clips of whatever those aggressive disturbed freaks might do.
 
agnetha said:
First of all don't dose them on a whim and keep the number of peeps you're getting fucked to a controllable minimum (like one at a time for now). Have them read info on the drug in question beforehand and quiz them to make sure they understood the really important bits. Do yourself a favour and don't ever try to get insecure, adolescent, anxiety ridden, immature, reckless, dumb, egotistical, narcissistic or people with anger management issue high on psychs when you're around (kinda obvious I should think ;) ). If that's the kinda crowd you're usually hanging out with, find yourself better friends.
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^ The bit I highlighted is the most important. If you're dosing someone who has no experience with psychedelics, you're essentially accepting the role of trip-sitter. Only trip sit as many people as you can restrain at once in the case that anything goes wrong ;)
 
Don't give people who don't like being out of control psychedelics, they tend to freak out.
 
They all wanted to get fucked up some way and there was no usual coke/mdma. Im pretty much the psychedelics guy and thought making everyone happy giving something, well I had no ideia fucking ideia what was coming.. idiot me.

Good ideias/advice in this thread. Thanks bluelighters! :)
 
I would like to dispel this myth that anxiety-ridden folk and psychedelics are a strict no-no. There was once a time I wouldn't be able to pay for something in a shop, wouldn't be able to get on a bus, wouldn't be able to talk to anyone I didn't know. Busy town centre? No chance.

I got over the worst of it with a lot of time. Then I hit a sort of 'wall'. My anxiety was still an issue, although I could function with most things. Psychedelics have worked wonders in allowing me to feel much more comfortable and at ease in my own skin. So for social anxiety at least, so long as the set and setting is in place, they can be beneficial.

That isn't to say that they always will be, but I get the feeling that people who say 'psychedelics should not be given to anxious people' have never had debilitating anxiety issues and thus do not know what they're talking about. Also I've witnessed the most balanced and happy people go batshit insane when tripping. In fact it's the 'unbalanced' types that I've often seen get the most out of tripping.

As ever, I'll say that I recognise everybody reacts differently and what may be true for me may not be for others, tread with caution, do your homework, etc.
 
RobotRipping said:
personality traits to look for? people who just want to get fucked up lol
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this. seriously, psychdelics are so much about the set and setting than other drugs... them wanting to go rampant and be wild will only have been increased bythe drugs.
also, if they are the mdma/coke crowd.... and you give them acid? seriously? there is a clear ego boots that coke gives and most psychedelics soften the ego. most people wouldnt like to be out of control if they werent expecting it
i mean i think you should exercise a bit more control over who you dose (or if you should at all give anyone anything). i also suspect you took something, whihc made things even more uncontrollable.

if you plan on introducing people to drugs, do it in a responsible manner. otherwise you riske giving psychs a bad name, and potentially creating dangerous situations....
 
kingme said:
this. seriously, psychdelics are so much about the set and setting than other drugs... them wanting to go rampant and be wild will only have been increased bythe drugs.
also, if they are the mdma/coke crowd.... and you give them acid? seriously? there is a clear ego boots that coke gives and most psychedelics soften the ego. most people wouldnt like to be out of control if they werent expecting it
i mean i think you should exercise a bit more control over who you dose (or if you should at all give anyone anything). i also suspect you took something, whihc made things even more uncontrollable.

if you plan on introducing people to drugs, do it in a responsible manner. otherwise you riske giving psychs a bad name, and potentially creating dangerous situations....
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Yes, good point. I normally only trip with experienced psychonauts / close friends but this was NYE, and everyone was kinda pushing it was "the right time to try something new" and in my naive heart didnt thought about consequences, was trying to give them something to open their mind like my first time and have good time, oh well... lesson learned - set and setting.
 
Low doses of acid and by low I would say 50-80ug is ideal for a first timer, especially in these conditions were your dealing with multiple people having their first time so it's unpredictable. If it was just a single person with other drug experience then you could just dose them at about 150ug and they would probably love it.

Set and setting as always, have some entertaining shit for them lined up.

Talk to them about the drug and its effects before, for some people psychedelics just don't fit and they aren't for them, you can usually tell by their previous drug use. If it's all stimulants they most likely will find an acid trip harder than someone who just smokes weed all day.

People who shouldn't trip are those who don't think about their actions, those heavily into solvents are ones I normally avoid as they just don't have the mindset for it. Also those who get drunk and just turn into dickheads, avoid them too because they wont understand what the hell is going on.

I suggest AGAINST smoking weed throughout the trip and if so keep it to small amounts, for some people weed clicks something in the trip and suddenly (if you smoke enough) turns it from a good to bad trip in seconds.

Bring some xanax/valium and let the people know it is there and what it is there for, sometimes its reassuring because I know one of my first big fears with acid was the whole 'once your on the acid train you can't get off', this takes away that feeling without them even having to take it.
 
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