Methoxetamine makes me feel short

[iPhrozon]

So I did 200mg of MXE spaced throughout a span of about 5 hours one night. After snorting my last line of 70mg of MXE, I laid in bed and listened to music. When I started peaking, I stood up, and realized that I felt like a midget. No fucking joke. I felt like I was probably 2 feet tall. Interestingly, I had dosed a friend, and yesterday, I found out that he too experienced the same feeling! so I am wondering: has anyone else melt like a midget on MXE?

BTW I didn't experience any OEV on MXE. I may have experienced CEVs(I don't remember), but if I did, they were not strong.

 

[eye_wide_open]

Lay down in bed and turn the lights out when you are up.
You should hole out and see OEV and CEV like crazy. You'll get massive euphoria too and start smiling and traveling.

I've felt short and tall and all kinds of distortions and hallucinations on that stuff.

Wait till you be god and give birth to galaxies. lol

MXE is another one of those things where anything is possible.

 

[Help?!?!]

One time the only logical conclusion I could come to on a large dose of Ket+MDMA was that upon entering the hole I transformed or maybe transferred but either way the conclusion was this, "I am a small man in a giants land". Everything around me distorted to pretty grand proportions. It looked like the recliner I was in was a solid 15 foot high and my futon looked a like a mountain. I don't think I ever thought I was a little person or anything though. I simply contained the knowledge that I was a tiny man existing in a much larger mans world.

 

[Limitbreaker]

That's normal on dissociatives.

If you get problems getting CEVs or OEVs, turn the lights off, and put some dark towel on your eyes or something so that you can't see anything with your eyes opened. Checked and is awesome!

 

[DwayneHoover]

Lay down in bed and turn the lights out when you are up.
You should hole out and see OEV and CEV like crazy. You'll get massive euphoria too and start smiling and traveling.

So I still just can't quite grok this whole "hole" thing, right?

At first when I started reading about it I got the impression that these holes are like total black(or white)-outs of total unconsciousness or separation from the physical world somehow. But then everyone starts to talk about visuals and other "experiences." Which I don't understand happening while you are in a total black out. Obviously it's not.

Is it more like first you black(or white)-out, and then you come-to in what now appears to be a visual wonderland but you're still really unconscious just in a sort of lucid dream state that can get very trippy. Something like that?

 

[Limitbreaker]

At first when I started reading about it I got the impression that these holes are like total black(or white)-outs of total unconsciousness or separation from the physical world somehow. But then everyone starts to talk about visuals and other "experiences." Which I don't understand happening while you are in a total black out.

I had exact same impression like you before!

For me hole is either what you've described OR a 4th-dxm-plateau-like experience (where you "live" in your mind, huh... that is SO awesome.)

 

[Tryptamine420]

Me & several friends have experienced the same "short" feeling on ecstasy. The pills we had were not tested & were probably adulterated or not even mdma at all & still have yet to show up on pillreports or anywhere else.

Kinda makes me wonder if the rolls we had were cut with mxe. or maybe the mxe you had was cut with the same stuff our e was cut with. Its not very likely & could have been anything & this could be an effect from a wide range of substances but then agaiin its all speculation.

It made me feel like the whole world was squashed vertically.

 

[Survived Abortion]

No fucking joke. I felt like I was probably 2 feet tall. Interestingly, I had dosed a friend, and yesterday, I found out that he too experienced the same feeling! so I am wondering: has anyone else melt like a midget on MXE?

I felt like this many times on Ketamine. I used to hole at my friends place very often, and sometimes as I was emerging from a hole I would stand up in confusion and look around and it really felt like I was about 2 feet tall, just as you described. The funny thing is, my friends would look the same height physically as me, but I would feel shorter. It is what I feel that makes me perceive this, and so if I feel small, I also look like I feel small.

It would feel very strange trying to walk like this, it really did feel like what I imagine dwarves or midgets to feel like walking. Very odd. But also somewhat amusing. It makes you feel quite powerless at the time, but you are so dissociated and tranquilized that you don't care either. I think it is associated with ego loss. When you get ego inflation on 5-ht psychedelic drugs, everything seems to be huge and a big sexual turn on.

I don't know if you've noticed, but on dissociatives you can also watch your environment changing in size and scale dramatically. It's like playing with the zoom control on a camera. Things get flattened and come right up to your face (this is when you are short), then zoom out and the whole room becomes a palace.

Once when I was walking home after a big ketamine session at a friend's house, it seemed to take forever to walk up a hill I am familiar with. The hill looked so short from where I was to the top, yet each stride I made seemed to be going nowhere. Dissociatives are funny creatures.

So I still just can't quite grok this whole "hole" thing, right?
Is it more like first you black(or white)-out, and then you come-to in what now appears to be a visual wonderland but you're still really unconscious just in a sort of lucid dream state that can get very trippy. Something like that?

The dissociative hole is quite inexplicable. You really have to experience it to understand. It is very much a space of protracted ego dissolution, but in a very different way to the emotional maelstrom that leads you there via the 5-HT psychedelics. It is quite dark optically, which is probably one reason it is called a hole. The sense that you are not quite sure where your hand ends and the rolled-up note begins gives way to a complete disconnection from the emotional meaning (egoic connotations) of the sensorial. It's as if you were 'there' forever and you will always be too. There is that moment of glimpsing the eternal.

If you are listening to music, it can grind to a halt in a cacophony of juddering vibrations as you reach a point of ultimate cosmic profundity, and you may even witness the birth of the universe as you know it. This may come and go in several waves. You will not be concerned with pointless matters such as shame or guilt, laughter or lust. Instead you will be turning inside out through ultradimentional vortices and tumbling sans-gravitation through grids and layers of reality in a paradoxical state of emotionless awe.

It's nothing like a white-out or a black-out. The experience itself is incredible. But very seductive! I think the sheer fascination is what gives people the impulse to keep returning to the hole. Maybe sometimes in the hope that one can somehow learn to control it upon those higher realms, and perhaps download that in to normal awareness and learn to transcend this physical plane. It certainly leaves you with those feelings and desires, however grandiose they may be.

 

[Thorns Have Roses]

So I still just can't quite grok this whole "hole" thing, right?

At first when I started reading about it I got the impression that these holes are like total black(or white)-outs of total unconsciousness or separation from the physical world somehow. But then everyone starts to talk about visuals and other "experiences." Which I don't understand happening while you are in a total black out. Obviously it's not.

Is it more like first you black(or white)-out, and then you come-to in what now appears to be a visual wonderland but you're still really unconscious just in a sort of lucid dream state that can get very trippy. Something like that?

The problem is that people can't agree on a definition of a hole. I go with the complete loss of all sensory experience/zero awareness of body, you're entirely in your own head, and would appear unconscious to an outside observer. Memory doesn't form well (barely at all) in this state, so most of the content will be forgotten (and it's just too weird for the sober mind to make sense of).

Some people have an earlier cut off point, and define a hole as uhh...the dissociative equivalent of a +3 I guess.

 

[eye_wide_open]

I have heard some people black out and don't remember what happens.
I'd assume it can be different for everyone.
What happens to me is I start "going places and learning things" at an "amazingly euphoric" rate.

and you may even witness the birth of the universe as you know it. This may come and go in several waves. You will not be concerned with pointless matters such as shame or guilt, laughter or lust. Instead you will be turning inside out through ultradimentional vortices and tumbling sans-gravitation through grids and layers of reality in a paradoxical state of emotionless awe.

This seems to describe it fairly well. I also feel like I die a few times and get to watch in the third person view and maybe have out of body experiences on this drug also. I get to float in nebulous plasmas that feel amazing and they teach me things and I travel dimensions and learn from beings I can't see and some I can. I've felt like I dropped a bomb, felt like I had bombs dropped on me, you name it. It happens to you and because of you. lol

While I am in this state, I can open my eyes and look around fine.
I am not unconcious, I am holing and able to get up and pee if I have to.

But, I do feel the world around me warp and start to feel different when the hole comes if I am not laying down in bed in the dark enjoying it, trying to make it get to the good spot.

The world starts to visually and coherantly distort into a vortex when I fall into the hole.
That is when I know it's time for me to lay down and enjoy the high.
If i'm laying down before that time the trip comes on even easier.

It's like you have to figure out how to make the visuals happen almost. Find the start button.
Once they start going you never want it to stop and it feels good to die and ego death and feels good to start traveling dimensions and learning things from the substance you never knew before. When you feel the high wearing off you might even be tempted to redose to keep you in the euphoria hole for longer. I have a few times.
This can either go good or bad depending on the redose.

I don't listen to music on MXE (accept for when I DJ'd new years) but I Sure do hear music in my head anyways when I am in the hole! It would seem the MXE creates it's own Jukebox in my head of songs I have heard previously.
Sometimes just eerie sounds or some song I like stuck looping on a portion or whopping instead.
Whopwhopwhopwhop things like that. Almost like dubstep but not actually music.

I write all this down as it's happening, so I am conscious for sure when it happens.
I write it on the iphone notepad. My fingers start typing the touchscreen at a million miles an hour and it feels alien like. The iphone feels like some sort of alien device that can control your trip and interact with you when you're holing.

One time I was shown how to become a god and did, another time I failed to. All in the same trip. Even after dying a few times and splitting my spirit from my body to watch.
I created things while being god and the feeling of learning things I had no idea about before and then coming back to find out they really exist is just plain unexplainable. I even was in the future for a few seconds at one point before traveling dimensions.

Extremely pleasing when you get it juuuuuust right.
Like nothing I have ever felt before. Can't explain it fully.
and I've done a lot of weird shit like datura and tons of shrooms and cid and DMT.
MXE is by far the most relaxing and pleasing trip when you hit the nail on the head and get to go for the ultimate MXE universe ride.

The only side effects I get are headaches two days later after the afterglow.
Maybe some slight depression too.
I've almost barfed but never quite thrown up on MXE.
You get a feeling you might barf but you don't.
That's around the time you die a few times and your spirit gets to split away and watch you die and you don't care because it feels so good!

The fact you can buy this substance legally with a credit card is like Joy the the unknowing world. It's like how we used to have tons of fun on acid as a kid but a much more personal substance to relax and enjoy at home to yourself in bed.

Personal therapy, if you will.

I feel like MXE told me it "opened my third eye".
Hence, my screen name.
I was able to ask questions and get answers on this stuff that I didn't know previously.
I can't explain that.

Some of the things I have written down while high are just tongue twistingly insane yet make so much sense at the same time. Some of the other things I have written down are what most would describe as just plain nuts.

 

[eye_wide_open]

The first few times I did MXE I didn't quite understand. I didn't know what it was really. I have never done K. Shrooms, DMT, cid, datura yeah, but not K or MXE or DXM.
I stayed up sitting there playing video games waiting for something to happen.
All that happened was I felt drunk and visual distortions and hard to move.
No big deal, MXE is nothing impressive. (I thought)


When I learned how to let the hole do it's thing... my entire life was changed.
There is much more going on out there than we realize.
I'll just put it that way.

 

[Jesusgreen]

Alice in Wonderland syndrome is a set of symptoms where you perceive your surroundings, including yourself, to be bigger or smaller than they actually are - or out of proportion. One common type of this set of hallucinations for example, is to see yourself as really small, and the room you're in as really big, or vice versa.

I never get that much of it on psychedelics, but on dissociatives like Ketamine and Methoxetamine? Definitely!

 

[InterzoneAgent]

I don't know if you've noticed, but on dissociatives you can also watch your environment changing in size and scale dramatically. It's like playing with the zoom control on a camera. Things get flattened and come right up to your face (this is when you are short), then zoom out and the whole room becomes a palace.

I get this on dissociatives also, especially with mxe. And like Jesus above, not really with psychedelics. It's quite fun illusion to play with and i love examining different things while it's on. Also when watching a movie the actors head sizes flicker between huge and small in contrast to their bodies. Pretty annoying actually if trying to watch anything more serious films. If you get sucked into the film properly this doesn't happen tho (or i dont notice it). It's usually apparent when watching them while coming down.

It's nothing like a white-out or a black-out. The experience itself is incredible. But very seductive! I think the sheer fascination is what gives people the impulse to keep returning to the hole. Maybe sometimes in the hope that one can somehow learn to control it upon those higher realms, and perhaps download that in to normal awareness and learn to transcend this physical plane. It certainly leaves you with those feelings and desires, however grandiose they may be.

This is perfect description of the double-edged swordness of K/M-hole. After falling in it, you can't help but to love it!

 

[lynx2051]

Yes I get this to, even cannabis makes things seem fatter, with me anyway. I once took quite a bit one afternoon and it made me feel as if there was nothing outside these four walls. Just me and my cats lol.