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Paying for everything

pirate24

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So I've been in a relationship with my girlfriend for a few months and so far I've been paying for everything. Usually, I wouldn't stand for this but I'm in the Philippines so dinner and a movie typically only amounts to a few dollars and a hotel is about $30. We go out about once a week. No biggie. Plus, usually I have more money than she does.

This isn't to say that she contributes nothing to the relationship. Her and her friends are models so I get free entry to clubs and free drinks (usually). (However, she's been out of work for the past few months and has practically no money). Also, she arranges pretty much all of the outings because I'm a foreigner and don't know how to navigate my way around as well as she does. Basically, so far I don't feel like I'm being used at all.

However, lately we've been talking about renting an apartment together and this is where the trouble started. Not quite moving in but simply spending more time together. I started asking her about things such as expenses and whatnot and then I asked her if her and her ex split general expenses while they were living together. She said he paid for everything 'cos he's a guy' and I asked her whether being a guy meant that one should automatically pay for everything. She said she didn't think that and I said 'good, cos that's a selfish way to think'. Then she said I hurt her feelings and that she didn't want to rent an apartment together any more.

Normally I'd expect a girl to foot her share of the bill when it came to things such as rent and holidays, etc but then I thought to myself that it's the Philippines, they've got a different culture here where the guy is expected to pay for everything. Should I be more flexible with stuff like that given the cultural gap? Also, I haven't been working for a few months, my work is kind of sporadic and financial situation at the moment isn't great, so there's that. Truth be told, I don't really care about the money, I'd do anything for her... I just don't want to feel like I'm being used.

UPDATE - just to be clear, we're not going to move together in yet. I just wanted to rent the apartment because a) I can see her more often and (b) it works out cheaper than a hotel even if we just stay there a few nights a month. I can afford to foot the bill myself, I guess I just wanted to see if she would be willing to chip in. We talked for a while, she was pretty pissed off (which I don't think is fair given how tactful I was). Eventually she told me that she's been out of work for a few months and couldn't afford to help out with rent and she didn't want to ask her mother for money, which is fine by me. Otherwise she would help out which is the main question for me, so the issue is resolved. Besides, a typical condo is only around $100/month including expenses.

FWIW, in her last relationship she did all the cooking, cleaning, etc.
 
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A few months?!? She sounds like a bitch! I'd drop her... If her feelings get hurt THAT easily, do you really wanna be with someone that immature/manipulative?

You should do what makes you feel comfortable - personally if I had a woman, I wouldn't mind paying for pretty much everything if I could afford it, coz that way she can take care of other things - but it sounds like for you it's not financially viable, and it's making you question it...so it's obviously not right.

If a gal expects that you should pay for everything, she's not a woman to be with, imo...unless of course it's OK to expect she does all the housework, cleaning and cooking etc/??
 
If she's a model she's probably hot and used to guys paying for everything.

I wouldn't be okay with paying all the rent, bills, and expenses for a girl I've only been with for a few months. I guess you have a few options.

1. Compromise. If you're going to get pigeonholed in the stereotypical male provider role, she has to fulfill all of the stereotypical women roles of cleaning/cooking, etc. like Jack said.

2. Tell her you're not comfortable being her Sugar Daddy and insist she chip in financially.

3. Pay for all of her shit.
 
i agree that there's a big difference between paying for dinner/drinks and completely supporting someone. probably a good idea to wait until the relationship is more serious (and you have a better feel for her intentions) before making that big of a commitment. plus, money or not, i'd definitely give a relationship more than a few months before moving in together.

1. Compromise. If you're going to get pigeonholed in the stereotypical male provider role, she has to fulfill all of the stereotypical women roles of cleaning/cooking, etc. like Jack said.

yeah this honestly isn't that bad of an arrangement. couples take care of each other in different ways, and if you're getting what you want from her, then it's worth it to give her what she wants from you.
 
Wait, are you American? And she is Phillipinno (sp?). You said you're in the Phillipinnes, so I'm assuming your'e american and she is from the area. Different culture, man. It's not the same. I live in South Florida, so we have every culture in different locations. It's a culture thing. Some cultures raise girls simply for marriage and kids and it's expected that the man pays for everything. Unless the girl is americanized (as we call it), this is how she thinks it should be. I'm not too familiar with the culture, but I would bet that is just how it is there. And, like GM said, she's probably hot and she can get away with that.

I would bet she won't stick around if you make her pay half. Does she work and have the money to pay for this? Is this something that will force her to get a job if you move in together? Dude, if you force that on her, it's never gonna work.
 
I expect the girl to foot the bill each and every time; I'm cute enough, good company, and the times have changed...

It's like that Bob Dylan song...

Come gather round ladies
Wherever you prance
And admit that it's you
Who now wears the pants
And accept it that now
You'll be paying for lunch...
 
If it's a cultural difference then yeah you should be more patient with her.
If you're making a lot more than her, I think you should pay "more" than her. It's nice that she's kinda putting something into the relationship by getting you into clubs, etc. That is like paying for a date. And free drinks! Kinda nice.
My boyfriend and I are planning to rent an apartment together in a few months. He will be making a lot more than me (probably triple what I make) so I'm okay if he pays a bit more than me. Like say the apartment is $1000 a month, if he pays $600 and I pay $400, that's cool. (We haven't worked everything out yet, that's just an example). Right now, I'm making more than him, so I pay for things more often. That's how I think things should work. Both should contribute in some way. But if you're in a serious relationship, then the person who makes more should contribute a bit more.
 
Wait, are you American? And she is Phillipinno (sp?). You said you're in the Phillipinnes, so I'm assuming your'e american and she is from the area. Different culture, man. It's not the same. I live in South Florida, so we have every culture in different locations. It's a culture thing. Some cultures raise girls simply for marriage and kids and it's expected that the man pays for everything. Unless the girl is americanized (as we call it), this is how she thinks it should be. I'm not too familiar with the culture, but I would bet that is just how it is there. And, like GM said, she's probably hot and she can get away with that.

I would bet she won't stick around if you make her pay half. Does she work and have the money to pay for this? Is this something that will force her to get a job if you move in together? Dude, if you force that on her, it's never gonna work.

I understand the culture difference, it's just that like I said I just wanted to see if she'd be willing to do for me what I do for her. Plus, I come from Australia and if a girl doesn't chip in at all financially she's labeled as a 'user'. I just wanted to make sure that she wasn't one. I told myself that I'd never let a girl take advantage of me in that way. But then I thought, what the fuck could she be using me for? I don't buy her gifts or anything like that. Besides, I know this girl and I know that she'd be willing to stay home and cook and clean, in her last relationship she was practically a prisoner (I don't think that's right btw, I'm just saying).
 
i agree that there's a big difference between paying for dinner/drinks and completely supporting someone. probably a good idea to wait until the relationship is more serious (and you have a better feel for her intentions) before making that big of a commitment. plus, money or not, i'd definitely give a relationship more than a few months before moving in together.



yeah this honestly isn't that bad of an arrangement. couples take care of each other in different ways, and if you're getting what you want from her, then it's worth it to give her what she wants from you.

Just to be clear I'm not going to be supporting her. This place is really just going to be a love shack. i've told her as much, saying that I don't intend to move out of where I am.
 
I expect the girl to foot the bill each and every time; I'm cute enough, good company, and the times have changed...

It's like that Bob Dylan song...

Come gather round ladies
Wherever you prance
And admit that it's you
Who now wears the pants
And accept it that now
You'll be paying for lunch...
no way is that a real bob dylan song?!?!

Men > women...or equal - shouldnt go backwards.
 
I understand the culture difference, it's just that like I said I just wanted to see if she'd be willing to do for me what I do for her. Plus, I come from Australia and if a girl doesn't chip in at all financially she's labeled as a 'user'. I just wanted to make sure that she wasn't one. I told myself that I'd never let a girl take advantage of me in that way. But then I thought, what the fuck could she be using me for? I don't buy her gifts or anything like that. Besides, I know this girl and I know that she'd be willing to stay home and cook and clean, in her last relationship she was practically a prisoner (I don't think that's right btw, I'm just saying).

Yeah, I totally get it, but you have to remember you're trying to reverse years of how she was brought up and taught. It's ingrained in her, so the thought of changing something like that especially when she's still in that culture is hard to imagine. You said it's just a love shack. If you want to just play with her, then she is not going to pay for it. She's hot and can just find someone else who just wants to have sex and nothing else. That's the way it works. Hot girls have no reason to just pay for a love shack to hook up for sex. There's plenty of guys who will use them for sex and pay for everything.
 
She doesn't sound that hot to be honest.
Get a liberated girl who has at least heard of the notion of suffrage.
 
Yeah, I totally get it, but you have to remember you're trying to reverse years of how she was brought up and taught. It's ingrained in her, so the thought of changing something like that especially when she's still in that culture is hard to imagine. You said it's just a love shack. If you want to just play with her, then she is not going to pay for it. She's hot and can just find someone else who just wants to have sex and nothing else. That's the way it works. Hot girls have no reason to just pay for a love shack to hook up for sex. There's plenty of guys who will use them for sex and pay for everything.

I know it kind of sounds that way but I'm not using her for sex, maybe 'love shack' is the wrong term. This is kind of an intermediary stage between moving in with her completely.

Thinking about it more, I agree with you - I mean, I think it would make her feel like shit if she was the only one she knew who had to pay for stuff like that. On the other hand, I just really want to make sure that she loves me as much as I love her. If the situation was reversed and she had a lot of money and I couldn't afford rent any more, would she be willing to help me out? If not, then she either doesn't love me or is just plain selfish. So I told her "I'm not a rich man" and "I would do anything for you, are u really telling me u wouldn't chip in a little bit of rent?" and she said that she would if she could but she can't because she hasn't had any work for a few months now and she doesn't feel comfortable with asking her mother for money, which is perfectly fair.
 
I know it kind of sounds that way but I'm not using her for sex, maybe 'love shack' is the wrong term. This is kind of an intermediary stage between moving in with her completely.

Thinking about it more, I agree with you - I mean, I think it would make her feel like shit if she was the only one she knew who had to pay for stuff like that. On the other hand, I just really want to make sure that she loves me as much as I love her. If the situation was reversed and she had a lot of money and I couldn't afford rent any more, would she be willing to help me out? If not, then she either doesn't love me or is just plain selfish. So I told her "I'm not a rich man" and "I would do anything for you, are u really telling me u wouldn't chip in a little bit of rent?" and she said that she would if she could but she can't because she hasn't had any work for a few months now and she doesn't feel comfortable with asking her mother for money, which is perfectly fair.

If its a relationship your having, its disrespectful toward you that she expects you to just pay her way. If she doesn't have a job, wait until she gets one before even partly moving out with her. If you don't, it may set a very bad precedent for the rest of the relationship.

Having said that I'm not sure what cultural factors are in play. Even so, I'm not sure that they are really relevant in any case.
 
Have you had a birthday yet or any time when she could/should pay? Maybe take note of how it is after that happens.

I'm a chick, so it's a little different for me, but I've dated totally poor guys and paid for everything. He would pay when he could, but I was basically going broke to support 2 people instead of just myself. It did get to me after a while. He wasn't a mooch. He straight-up told me in the beginning he was a student and lived on student loans. When he did get a payout, he'd take me out. He wasn't a bad guy (well, bad for dating anyway lol), but if I wanted to do anything, I had to pay for both of us, so that sucked.

I now date someone who pays for everything when we go out, but I pay for my house. He definitely has the better end of the deal. lol But, for the most part, I feel like he pays for all food, drinks and any time we do anything, so I'm OK with it.

She has no job, so how does she support herself? Does she get any kind of money? Does she insist on going out and you paying or is she OK with you having no money and staying in? Something gold-digging hot girls do is insist on going out, paying for the most expensive things, and not giving a shit if the guy has no money. It's something to consider, but I think if she was raised in the Phillipinnes that her culture tells her you should pay.
 
Yeah, I totally get it, but you have to remember you're trying to reverse years of how she was brought up and taught. It's ingrained in her, so the thought of changing something like that especially when she's still in that culture is hard to imagine. You said it's just a love shack. If you want to just play with her, then she is not going to pay for it. She's hot and can just find someone else who just wants to have sex and nothing else. That's the way it works. Hot girls have no reason to just pay for a love shack to hook up for sex. There's plenty of guys who will use them for sex and pay for everything.

that's true, hot girls are use to that, if shes hot and if shes a golddigger, then she can just find someone else who will pay for her. Its also a cultural thing, for example persian girls are the same way, they expect the guy to pay for everything.
Also usually hot girls don't work, so her not working is not a excuse.
 
Have you had a birthday yet or any time when she could/should pay? Maybe take note of how it is after that happens.

I'm a chick, so it's a little different for me, but I've dated totally poor guys and paid for everything. He would pay when he could, but I was basically going broke to support 2 people instead of just myself. It did get to me after a while. He wasn't a mooch. He straight-up told me in the beginning he was a student and lived on student loans. When he did get a payout, he'd take me out. He wasn't a bad guy (well, bad for dating anyway lol), but if I wanted to do anything, I had to pay for both of us, so that sucked.

I now date someone who pays for everything when we go out, but I pay for my house. He definitely has the better end of the deal. lol But, for the most part, I feel like he pays for all food, drinks and any time we do anything, so I'm OK with it.

She has no job, so how does she support herself? Does she get any kind of money? Does she insist on going out and you paying or is she OK with you having no money and staying in? Something gold-digging hot girls do is insist on going out, paying for the most expensive things, and not giving a shit if the guy has no money. It's something to consider, but I think if she was raised in the Phillipinnes that her culture tells her you should pay.

I just had my birthday but unfortunately I was out of the country. Maybe I should see whether she got me anything for my birthday or Christmas? Because I know she got everyone else something, she spent like a week on her Christmas shopping.

She lives with her mother, who gives her an allowance.

We never stay in because I live with my family and so does she so that would be kind of awkward. However, I usually don't have to pay for anything except hotels - usually when I offer to buy her a drink or something she refuses but when the drinks are free she'll drink. In fact, for the first month we were going out I never once took her on a 'real' date, it was mainly just me tagging along with her and her friends. I found out from an acquaintance that she really wanted to go out on a romantic dinner with me, so I offered to do that but then she was like 'you don't have to do that' and when I did she seemed really grateful, continually thanking me even though it didn't cost that much (around $15-20). Even now I usually don't have to pay for anything when we go out.

She has a lot of friends who are gold diggers but she criticizes them for it, saying they're really materialistic so I don't think she's that type of girl. Also, her last boyfriend never got her any gifts or took her out on any dates.
 
that's true, hot girls are use to that, if shes hot and if shes a golddigger, then she can just find someone else who will pay for her. Its also a cultural thing, for example persian girls are the same way, they expect the guy to pay for everything.
Also usually hot girls don't work, so her not working is not a excuse.

Well, if she was a golddigger then I wouldn't want to be with her anyway.

It's not like she's never worked, she's just been out of work for the past few months.
 
If its a relationship your having, its disrespectful toward you that she expects you to just pay her way. If she doesn't have a job, wait until she gets one before even partly moving out with her. If you don't, it may set a very bad precedent for the rest of the relationship.

Having said that I'm not sure what cultural factors are in play. Even so, I'm not sure that they are really relevant in any case.

It's actually cheaper renting a condo there than paying for a hotel a few nights a month, so there's that.
 
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