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Thinking of trying Speed for the first time

Ringfinger

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I'm going to a big techno night in Amsterdam early next month and want something to help make that night incredible. I wanted to do MDMA, but have chosen not to due to adverse reactions to the drug in the past. I have tried Adderol a couple of times for school, but never Speed. Is it that different? I have high general anxiety and am sensitive to stimulants in general. Does Speed pose a big risk for negative side effects? What dose should I start with? I was thinking of snorting it.
 
It depends what you mean by "speed". Here in the UK it is racemic amphetamine sulphate mainly, very heavily cut (usually with glucose) - so is essentially fairly similar to Adderall just a lot dirtier. Purity varies hugely so you have to just have a tiny bit then titrate up according to response.. insufflated has a higher bioavailability but it is often quite damp/paste-like so bombing (parachuting) it is easiest.

If you are an anxious person then speed could well exacerbate it - in low doses it can give you more confidence but anxiety/paranoia can definitely set in. If you are sensitive to stims then be very cautious - start with a tiny bit and see how you go. Ideally it might be best to test it out before your big night, incase you react badly - anxiety can be exacerbated hugely by being in a crowded place and if you have anxiety anyway, are sensitive to stims and don't know how you will react to speed then this could be a recipe for disaster.

Speed can last a long time and it can be easy to overdo it too so another reason to start low and go slow!

What adverse reaction did you have to MDMA?
 
It depends what you mean by "speed". Here in the UK it is racemic amphetamine sulphate mainly, very heavily cut (usually with glucose) - so is essentially fairly similar to Adderall just a lot dirtier. Purity varies hugely so you have to just have a tiny bit then titrate up according to response.. insufflated has a higher bioavailability but it is often quite damp/paste-like so bombing (parachuting) it is easiest.

If you are an anxious person then speed could well exacerbate it - in low doses it can give you more confidence but anxiety/paranoia can definitely set in. If you are sensitive to stims then be very cautious - start with a tiny bit and see how you go. Ideally it might be best to test it out before your big night, incase you react badly - anxiety can be exacerbated hugely by being in a crowded place and if you have anxiety anyway, are sensitive to stims and don't know how you will react to speed then this could be a recipe for disaster.

Speed can last a long time and it can be easy to overdo it too so another reason to start low and go slow!

What adverse reaction did you have to MDMA?



Hey man, thanks for the response. I totally see what you are saying.

I was discussing MDMA with an insightful user on here earlier, so I will post my description here:

- June 25, 2009: I rolled 3 times in 4 days with strong MDMA pills all of the same batch. The first time (1 pill) was great and went fine. 2 days later I rolled again (1 pill) and had a scary experience during the peak. I was enjoying myself on a couch when it started getting too intense. I started feeling that something bad was happening physically in my brain. My hearing began to distort, I was getting real sweaty and had a daunting feeling that I was about to faint and die. In a panic, I found a bouncer told him I wasn't feeling well. However, within 30 seconds I started feeling better and went back inside to get some water. The next day I rolled AGAIN (about 2.5 pills) and aside from having a super high tolerance, everything went fine with the slight exception of getting a near panic attack shortly after the come up. That panic attack feeling only lasted about 10-20 seconds and wasn't like the previous night's experience.

- October 2009: I snorted ~70mg of MDMA crystal that had been regent tested. After the come up I began to feel extremely uneasy as if a panic attack was coming but that went away after about 20 seconds or so. I can't say I enjoyed the roll but I think that's because I snorted it.

- July 2010: I swallowed crystal MDMA that had been regent tested and weighed out about to ~110-120 mg. As the first effects started to kick in, I began feeling an internal feeling of worry. At first it was small and I tried to distract myself by dancing. But the feeling kept growing more powerful and within a minute or two I started to really panic. I felt my heart race and temperature rise, and above all I felt like I was in trouble and needed medical help. So I went to the medic inside the dance club and they checked my temp, heart rate, and blood pressure- all of which were high. Now I don't know if they were higher than they normally would be while on MDMA, but they felt like they were. I think I was a degree or two below a fever (fevers are dangerous while on E). After resting for ~ 10-15 minutes I started to feel better. The panic feeling did come back but only for about 30 seconds.


^ that's why I decided to take a break from MDMA for at least another 6 months to a year.
 
Makes sense.

If you have access to pharm speed (Dexedrine, Adderall, Vyvanse, etc) then it is worth a shot at a lower dosage. Street speed is of unknown purity, same with street methamphetamine (sometimes called "speed" depending on where you are in the world).

The same warnings apply however. Amphetamine, in all its forms, is still addictive and destructive. Tread carefully.
 
I live east-coast US; I hear "speed" and think meth. and ONLY meth. otherwise it's amphet or whatever, more specifically named.

Your responses to the molly seem to be all psychosomatic. Have you tried taking a small benzo dose with the stim? I do this frequently because I've had the same "aw shit" rushing feelings you described. However I've definitely eaten mdma more than 3-4 times. A few of them went sour, but most were wonderful. All about set and setting, even with molly. .25mg kpin (in my case) has always proven to kill my anxiety and allow me to forget the negatives and enjoy the present.
 
I live east-coast US; I hear "speed" and think meth. and ONLY meth. otherwise it's amphet or whatever, more specifically named.

Your responses to the molly seem to be all psychosomatic. Have you tried taking a small benzo dose with the stim? I do this frequently because I've had the same "aw shit" rushing feelings you described. However I've definitely eaten mdma more than 3-4 times. A few of them went sour, but most were wonderful. All about set and setting, even with molly. .25mg kpin (in my case) has always proven to kill my anxiety and allow me to forget the negatives and enjoy the present.

Wouldn't a benzo with MDMA increase the risk for serotonin syndrome? I have actually rolled about 20 times in my life, but never had any problems until the times posted above.
 
Wouldn't a benzo with MDMA increase the risk for serotonin syndrome? I have actually rolled about 20 times in my life, but never had any problems until the times posted above.

Benzos don't act on serotonin at all; in fact they're the #1 line of defense against SS, followed by extreme cooling measures and a few meds that hospitals ONLY should be using / applying.
 
Personally I would go for low dose MDMA, what you've described are fairly short lived symptoms and common IME with some inexperienced users.

I always used to take a good dose of high grade amphetamine sulphate before a night out on MDMA and I think your far more likely to get panicky on the speed.

Try starting low with about 50mgs of MDMA some people are more sensitive to it than others and need much less but overall its a much netter experience if you can get it right.
 
Try starting low with about 50mgs of MDMA some people are more sensitive to it than others and need much less but overall its a much netter experience if you can get it right.

I have had some absolutely wonderful times with friends using ~60mg of pure crystal MDMA. Color was very light rootbeer-y.
 
Probably thinking of methamphetamine, i haven't done it my self besides when it has been cut with my pills. But judging by how you react to mdma i think you will easily get anxious on it, if you decide to just do a tiny bump and see what that does.
 
i hear what you're saying about MDMA mate. although never to this degree, i find mandy to be unpredictable at the best of times. the comeup is always anxious, possibly nauseating and can give me feelings of discomfort/worry. for me the high is great 60% of the time, and for the other 40% i just get bodily discomfort, dissapointment, anxiety, dysphoria and misery. this is especially likely when insufflated, (generally not a great ROA for MDMA). i have one or two friends that actually regularly get severe depression and panic when they dose MD. i wouldn't say this is a fair basis on which to advise against doing amphetamines. despite my issues with MDMA i use speed (as in european street speed) very regularly and generally am good at handling its effects, experiencing no anxiety (well except when i've been up a night or two on a binge, but that goes without saying)
 
Speed is the same as adderall (assuming u mean amphetamines not meth), but is less pure.. a bigger rush on it, but not for a long time like you need all night not like an hour of being amped. also u dont know exactly what ur taking with an amphetamine speed and causes me to worry.

yeah i would recommend getting an adhd med or stimulant like vyvanse (lasts 12 hours so all nighter will be no prob) to help if you have anxiety about the new drug kind of (in ur case speed) like i would.. its definetly better to sit and take a pill that you can google and look up the numbers online and its an existing pill you know what it is exactly. ya feel?

if you have any questions on vyvanse or ritalin feel free to pm or w/e
 
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