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using alcohol like using benzos in tripping

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i always read about people using a benzo to end a trip if its going long like on a do-x compound or using a benzo if their anxiety is getting the best of them. would hard liquor have the same effect since both substances play on the GABA receptors and taking a xanax to me is what feels like Being drunk off a pill?

just curious since booze can be easier to procure than a benzo pill.
 
Not nearly as good and so much easier to get sloppy on IMO. Also one is B and the other is A in terms of agonism. Pretty different although sharing similar effects and the like. If your getting antsy sip a bit of beer but do not chug it or wack down a bunch of shots. Its similar to benzos, you want to relieve the anxiety or take the edge off, not black out. It might also depend too, as I don't find ethanol's results that great most times.
 
Alcohol is definitely not a benzodiazepine replacement. Sure, lower doses can be helpful to calm down. (Lower doses as in a couple to a few beers) However, alcohol "plays" on a whole lot of different receptors and neurotransmitter systems. Also, if you are the type to get anxious/panic from the feeling of nausea, then alcohol is definitely not the right drug to use. Also, getting hammered while tripping doesn't sound fun to me. Ever been cross faded with marijuana and alcohol out of your mind? That is not fun at all, and getting hammered while tripping will be much, much worse.
Also, if you are worried about a bad trip, have a strong antihistamine around. Mirtazapine and hydroxyzine are great examples. They are both very strong antihistamines and they also block the 5-HT2A receptor (Which is thought to mediate hallucinations). Mirtazapine would be best, as it's effects (VERY strong Sedation along with potentially ending a trip, however this is only anecdotal) come on very quickly and are very powerful. You will fall asleep pretty damn quick, even on a psychedelic amphetamine.

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Ever been cross faded with marijuana and alcohol out of your mind? That is not fun at all, and getting hammered while tripping will be much, much worse.
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Probably not the best way to put him off ;) Mixing weed and alcohol is probably the most "reliably" fun combo I've tried, and I'm sure others here will agree. Mixing psychedelics and alcohol is a completely different ballgame, if done correctly it can be a very fun recreational experience (albeit with a lot shallower trip/less introspection) but if done wrong it's just guaranteed nausea, vomiting, and a horrible experience.

I'd avoid beer at all costs since it's particularly bad for nausea, if you must use alcohol in a similar way to benzos I'd suggest taking some vodka for example, heavily diluting it with water or something else and drinking it slowly until it kicks in. The actual mix of effects is generally pleasant in my experience, but trust me, you don't want to taste beer or strong spirits when tripping ;)
 
Worked for me one can of larger brought reality just that little bit closer
 
Alcohol would most likely be a bad choice if you are looking for a way to calm down. Alcohol acts on other systems too than GABA. It will also activate dopamine and would most likely increase your trip and anxiety. Benzodiazepines give usually a quicker effect (30-60 min) while alcohol would take 2-3 hours before you feel the sedation through the other substances you are taking. Maybe this is only personal experience but alcohol has given me any quick relief from anxiety.

I agree that H1-antagonists are the most effective sedatives but anti-psychotics are far more effective than regular anti-histamines. (They usually use the same receptors to mediate their effects.) I don't think anti-psychotics would actually block the "acute psychosis", but they would put you to sleep far better than any other drug. (But maybe falling asleep isn't the best solution people are looking for when they get panic.) But on the other hand anti-psychotics are evil so I cannot recommend them. I just mentioned them because they are the most effective cure for a bad trip.

I would say benzodiazepines would be the best way to handle anxiety without ruining your trip.
 
I'm going to have to disagree with the general consensus in this thread. I find a few beers at the end of a trip to be just what the doctor ordered when I'm looking to come down and dull things up a bit.
 
I feel like it would really depend on what substance your tripping on. I love having a drink on lsd...maybe a jack and coke. But if i was to drink anything at all on mushrooms it would be a messy situation for sure.
 
my rule of thumbs is that when taking any psychedelic which is going to have an intense effect on the direction of your life and on the re-imprinting of your perception....don't mix it with intoxicants..! i would take a drab and/or strung-out feeling end of an acid trip over an intoxicating drink to 'take the edge off' any day. i need my brain firing to its best ability to properly integrate and digest the experience. afterall, integration is half the battle, when it comes to really 'making use' of the psychedelic experience. seems a little backwards to mix the two imo, to each their own though :)

and i understand the seeming function of a benzo to quell the intensity down a notch...but i've always benefited personally from 'riding my trips down' naturally, even if they have hellish aspects lol. but again, that's just my preference and my boundary.
 
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I'd avoid beer at all costs since it's particularly bad for nausea, if you must use alcohol in a similar way to benzos I'd suggest taking some vodka for example, heavily diluting it with water or something else and drinking it slowly until it kicks in. The actual mix of effects is generally pleasant in my experience, but trust me, you don't want to taste beer or strong spirits when tripping ;)
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^do you drink beer when your not tripping? although i disagree with your unfair judgement of beer i'd say alcohol in moderation definitely takes the edge off a trip so to speak. i however love to drink beer, the same stands when im tripping.
 
In a way, mushrooms are nice because you can just eat some bread and it will slow up your absorption (is this wrong?) The guy I dropped acid with the first time took 4 hits and I only took one, and he was sipping a little vodka throughout the night. I wouldn't try to get drunk though.
 
On the contrary, beer is amazing on acid I found.
I had a little bit of a beer I didn't even like normally, and loved the refreshing bite of it.

As for using it to kill a trip, doesn't seem like a good idea at all. I can imagine it would just increase the confusion, and would probably end up in a lot of vomitting if you drank too much.

I had a few friends who were at a doof, decided they were going to drink until the sun went down, it was about 2 or 3 hours more than they thought as they forgot about daylight savings.
The tripping made them completely lose track of time and they got super pissed, eventually ending in one of them spending his trip throwing up in a hellish nightmare. Didn't sound fun to me.
 
Jesusgreen said:
Probably not the best way to put him off ;) Mixing weed and alcohol is probably the most "reliably" fun combo I've tried, and I'm sure others here will agree. Mixing psychedelics and alcohol is a completely different ballgame, if done correctly it can be a very fun recreational experience (albeit with a lot shallower trip/less introspection) but if done wrong it's just guaranteed nausea, vomiting, and a horrible experience.
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What? Marijuana and alcohol is the most reliably feel dizzy and throw up combination and have to lay down until sleep comes combo for me. The best way to green out really. And pretty much every one gets this effect without tolerance to both.

I don't mind a few drinks on psychedelics if I don't have nausea, haven't tried actually getting drunk yet but it is on my list of things to do for sure. I also find it a great way to take the edge off and relax, getting smashed as the trip ends is really fun. It doesn't help with integration but it is a lovely way to relax your mind and talk with every one about wtf just happened.
 
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if you have 1 or 2 beers plus a small amount of marijuana then you won't get sick.

don't blame the drugs for your own mistakes!

on topic: i find some alcohol and relieve some anxiety and make the peak less intense. i don't mind the flavor when im tripping but i am a regular drinker.
 
What? Marijuana and alcohol is the most reliably feel dizzy and throw up combination and have to lay down until sleep comes combo for me. The best way to green out really. And pretty much every one gets this effect without tolerance to both.
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The key is to smoke before you drink. Smoking cigs or weed when drunk can just add to the nausea and make you throw up - if you smoke before drinking, it kills any incoming nausea completely, and in fact the anti-emetic effects of weed are one of the main reasons I love the combination. That said, I've never felt sick or nauseous from smoking after I drink either (well, yes with cigarettes, but not weed). That and the fact studies have shown that Cannabis can protect against some of the neurotoxic effects of alcohol :)

...Back to the topic though!
 
For myself, I found out if I've eaten enough acid and drink at the same time it has no effect. I remember at a show this past summer I drank around 12-14 beers while tripping and it didn't change the experience at all. I felt pretty bad in the morning, but the trip itself was great. I'm sure it would be different for mushrooms though, they generally don't sit well in my stomach in the first place. This is just my experience though, everyone can react differently.
 
Ive tried this many times and it is not a good idea, especially if you are having a bad trip. If you wanna kill your bad trip benzos or risperidone are your best bet.
 
I've got to say that I've found drinking (more than 1-2 drinks) in the latter stages of a trip can make the experience very unpredictable, and generally much less pleasant. I've only combined alcohol with RC psychedelics (2c-e, 2c-c, Bromo-Dragonfly), but every time it tends to make me less focused right around the time when I should be feeling more grounded, if perhaps a little strung out. Also, the more stimulatory psychedelics can mask the effects of the alcohol, leading one to drink more than they otherwise would. The one time I drank excessively on psychedelics was on the tail end of a Bromo-Dragonfly trip, which caused me become exceedingly delusional rather than calm (despite the fact that I had been quite stable the whole day prior and had had only good experiences). In this case, I also drank to counteract some of the jagged body load of this substance, but it backfired spectacularly.

Overall, I'd say avoid this combo, or approach it cautiously and keep a close eye on how many you've had. IMO ethanol is no real substitute for a benzo.
 
Never used alcohol during a trip before, but getting drunk after taking acid is definitely fun.
 
I don't think i've ever tripped on acid on not drank alcohol at some point in the trip. I love beer when tripping, if you just want a fun and less deep experience then it's great; removed any anxiety and adds to the giggly euphoria. Don't over do it though, last time I did LSD I drank way too many beers and blacked out during my trip which lead to confusion and paranoia - basically one of the worst trips I've ever had. I would advise against trying to use alcohol as a benzo - like I previously stated, you will probably just black out. A couple beers can do wonders to chill you out during a trip, but it won't "abort/end" a trip.
 
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