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Heroin Social: Version 5

charlie clean said:
... There's a psychology involved, too - criminal types are attracted to narcotics less for their medicinal potential than because they are a criminalised activity - dress in black and you'll prefer black boots.Again, we curse the user-vendors rather than wonder why they find such a ready market. If instead the right questions were asked, we'd return to Rolleston in an instant.
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There is a really good book about that.... mainly centered around the legalisation of drugs. It's called "Legalize - The only way to combat drugs" and is written by Max Rendall (one of the current doctors at the Stapleford clinic)
 
You say you pay £100 p/m well the stapleford is £32.50/wk so £130/month. However for that you get 30mins of time at the clinic each week which can be used either wit the doctor or with the psychologist. Obviously it's private so you have to pay for your medication as well. So it's not a huge difference to what your paying and there's the added benefit of the psychologist.[/QUOTE]
My mistake thought it was more - i only see my doc once a month i could see him every week and see a councelor but my doc is a psychologist anyway plus a monthly pick up of my meds is alot more convenient. The good thing is the scripts are pretty cheap - 10p per 5mg done tablet 20p per valium and the chemist doesny put on a fee for the private script so if your on a low dose its cheaper than the NHS !
 
I'm also famliar With Dr Brewer & have had dealigs with him & his then partner Dr Tovey in the late 90s.

I got what i wanted at the time . baring in mind thet i was prescribed Methadone amps on the NHS , & this treatment was withdrawn for me & about 30 other local DSP users .

One week we were getting our amps n then with just one consulation were told
" Dr ....... has had to leave this service & all injectable maintenace scripts will be transferred to Oral Methadone .

It turned out that our ariginall DR. had been hounded by the GMC for along time and he left London to come to Bath , hoping it may get them off his back , well only for so long , it seems that because he aws providing actuall proper scripts they just kept harassing him .

He didn't even get to say goodbye , its a tragic story and i'm sure their are other aspects to it but as a service uswer to go from a stable Methadone injectable script to liquid with benzos to " make up for some of the discomfort !!" turned out to kill a fair few folks and also get many of us longterm benzo habbits , this happened to me .

It was so inhumane the whole nasty buisness.
 
A strong opiophobe element has held sway over UK Drug Treatment since 1970 and routinely harassed non-conforming doctors all the way to G.M.C. level. Your doctor is but one of a long list to have felt their wrath. To see what their policies have achieved, look around you.

Such an outrageously disproportionate assertion of influence was only possible because few outsiders knew or really cared much about what was going on. The internet is good at bringing the information into the open and the credibility of drug policies since the introduction of the clinics are well past their sell-by date. Growing numbers are beginning to appreciate the whole 'drug problem' is quite unnecessary and, to a considerable extent, the creation of prohibitionist policies. Assuming law enforcement agencies haven't eradicated the opium poppy entirely first, when the present 'encouragement to abstinence' agenda is revealed as a disastrous failure the return of a variation of Rolleston will not be far away. Add your voice wherever possible.
 
I was thinking about the heroin drought today and got to wandering about what will happen if for some reason the drought never ended? What would us addicts do?
Would we get clean and just live a drug free life from then on or would we search out other drugs to replace the heroin?
Would we turn to alcohol or start on some of the research chemicals? Would any other drug truly satisfy us after heroin?
 
maxalfie said:
I was thinking about the heroin drought today and got to wandering about what will happen if for some reason the drought never ended? What would us addicts do?
Would we get clean and just live a drug free life from then on or would we search out other drugs to replace the heroin?
Would we turn to alcohol or start on some of the research chemicals? Would any other drug truly satisfy us after heroin?
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As much as I really don't want to,I think I would quit
most of the research chemicals seem to be uppers
if I found one that acted like heroin,I would definitely try it
I think people will probably turn to pharmaceuticals like oxy and MSTs
 
Recent post have been very interesting regarding the stapleford clinic and related issues.

Re: will the drought end? It is bound to, just a question of when. Circumstances are perfect for an explosion of heroin use in the UK now (not saying thats a 'good' thing, but we all now where it leads) - troops withdrawing from Afghanistan, opium production up massively, large gaps in the UK market, street prices up (potentially, for good kit), recession-high unemployment=higher drug use, spending cuts=less security at border control, less spent on policing, less spent on drug services=greater numbers of addicts etc...

The thing we suffer from is not having the info. We dont know how long this shit will go on for, I'm sure most of us still think come next month everything could go back to normal. If we knew we could get on with our lives or do whatever we needed to do, its just we are all in limbo praying that we can get at least half decent kit. I wish there was some drug sympathetic reporter or journalist, who would take it upon themselves to find out exactly what the fuck has been going on, and what is goin to happen. Surely its a mega story, huge? And only a reporter could really find out the truth-flying to afgan to make enquiries there, pakistan, turkey, india, burma, talking to police, border control, SOCA, drug traffickers, drug dealers, poppy growers, heroin manufacturers, politicians etc etc. I'll stop blabbering now. As was the catch phrase for X Files, "The Truth is Out There"! we just dont fuckin know it :X
 
@Papaversom I really hope that one day the mystery of what has caused this drought is finally revealed.
Would be so interesting to know what has caused this drought of unprecedented length.
God how I hope that when it is finally over that we never have to go through one again.
 
blondin said:
there is no exageration - the stapleford now is totally different and expensive it only scripts 'done and MST in amps if wanted.(i see a doc in Harley st and he only charges £100 p/m I think the SF is £175) the trouble with Brewer was that he over prescribed narcs with no obervation and no discipline and no education on what you were taking .apart from myself I know 2 others who saw him 1 od'd on peaches the other is no better than he was when he went there. People saw the place as somewhere to legitimently buy drugs not to get off them it was a business not a surgery. Unless you went there you cant reaqlly understand the atmoshere there it was like a shop - I cant actually remember but i might have even got dikes from him - all opiates/opiods not necessary for any addict. It was a cash cow no more no less.
oh and btw its still very very difficault to get DM from a private script no more easy or hard than going thro the NHS.
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If you're talking about that little place in Epping there's truth in what you say. The receptionist could write a book

But who asked for the drugs? Indeed, who probably hustled mercilessly and insisted they were absolutely necessary for your addiction? All Brewer did was take you at face value. Are you saying he should have known you're a liar? That's not because of your addiction, that's because of you and your dishonest intentions. You're the one who ought to have been punished; if you overdosed, it's the price of playing bad boys' games. As JayRiddley says, the financial and criminal aspects are part of a much wider issue.
 
charlie clean said:
If you're talking about that little place in Epping there's truth in what you say. The receptionist could write a book

But who asked for the drugs? Indeed, who probably hustled mercilessly and insisted they were absolutely necessary for your addiction? All Brewer did was take you at face value. Are you saying he should have known you're a liar? That's not because of your addiction, that's because of you and your dishonest intentions. You're the one who ought to have been punished; if you overdosed, it's the price of playing bad boys' games. As JayRiddley says, the financial and criminal aspects are part of a much wider issue.
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Totally agreed Charlie-most of us are constantly banging on about how we would just love a doctor who took us seriously, listened to us and gave us what we felt we needed in order to help ourselves and better the situation we have found ourselves in. And seemingly along came someone like that >I never knew or knew of him< and the very same category of scumbags that give us all a bad name used and abused his trust, spoiled it for those who could really have benefitted from this doctor's fresh approach, and then had the audacity to blame him for giving them what they asked for! Maybe patients should be tested to see if they are actually smart or knowledgable enough to have input into their own treatment, and those who arent just get what they are given, whilst those that are get treated as such.
To re iterate, I didnt know the guy, he may or may not have been brilliant/awful for all I know so the comments I make arent directly related to him, just going by what I have read on here and my experiences in general
 
@bodder i wont go back to the 80's but from 98 - 2001 before the taliban took over the gear in london was very cheap .6 for a score 30 a g ,q £170 etc (@mods i guess its ok to mention prices as it was 10 yeaqrs ago)and it was all the same strong 60%+ and it was grey slate almost white ,rock hard every one had it then when the taliban took over it all dried up - the 1st proper drought i can remember -about 4-5 months I think but still about if you looked hard enough then the americans moved in and the so the gear reappeared again more expensive than before and since then its never been as strong so most of you who started takning gear before 2000 wont know what the 'average 'quality was then - all over the country - mainly as one turkish gang brought in about 90% of it. I have to add that since then excellent food has been available but only if you know the right people rather than how it was when everyone had the excellent stuff. I remember loads of peeps who had £20 a day habits as .1 in the spoon was enough .2 for a gouch.sorry rambling got some more bags of the good sandy coloiured gear...

@ chalrie epping?

Lets agree to disagree about Brewer - apart from Strungout and me /did anyone else actiually go there/
 
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RE - did anyone else go to the old Stapleford?


I went once, against my better judgment, as somebody's 'responsible adult'. Guy was off his head before we started and it soon became clear he was aiming for a considerably bigger handout than his habit required. A long day followed. I tried to find entertainment watching the comings and goings of the waiting room and my mate did his best to screw up. Missed his 'slot' when he went out for a ciggie and wandered off. Then, dispatched to collect his trial script, he went to the wrong pharmacy and had to return for directions. On the way to the right chemist he dropped the script in the street. Luckily, someone took it into the chemist who informed the SF and he got it back. When, finally, he took his supervised hit, he gouched out on the table. I was loitering so long the receptionist/secretary/cleaner worried I was an undercover reporter; when I chanced upon her stuffing brown envelopes with grubby Home Counties banknotes she visibly paled.

My mate still left with a good script. Was a postman at the time but not for much longer. Without a wage, he resorted to the traditional user method of paying for a ps and fell into bad company. Left town in foot of the warrant and owing a few quid to the wrong people on top and was never heard of again. Not quite certain I served as all that responsible an adult but there you go.
 
Sorry to post this on a thread. I got a PM from a young guy/girl from Ireland but when i tried to PM them back i couldn't coz their in-box is full. I am posting this on here so they can read my reply. I will not post the persons username. The post worried me coz the poster is so young, so i really want them to read my reply to their PM.

So Dear Friend you know who you are, you asked for my advice so here is the only advice that i can give you...... (Clear your in-box :) )

Hi ********** :)

How are you?! Where in Ireland are you from? If you want my honest advice then don't bother scoring! All of the gear in Dublin is rubbish! Heroin is easy to get now, but its all low grade rubbish! Its just not worth the money!

You are so young to be messing with heroin! At 17 years of age you should be enjoying life, not getting dragged down by heroin! How long have you been using for? The life of a heroin addict is not the kind of path you wanna go down, trust me it will totally destroy your life! I am 40 years of age & heroin has destroyed everything on me, it completely wrecked my life!

If your are gonna score in Dublin then don't expect to get good gear, coz its all crap no matter where you score! & yes your friend is right, if you get caught you will be in as much trouble as anyone else, what makes you think that the Garda don't come down hard on anyone under 18? Anyway by the time a court case would come up you probably would be 18, you could go to prison coz heroin is a very serious drug! A judge will come down very heavy especially on someone your age to teach you a lesson! Also you will have a criminal record, so you would never be able to get into America ect.

Thats all the advice that i can give you, it worries me so much that you are getting mixed up with heroin at 17 years of age! You are younger then both of my kids! Why don't you get a bit of weed or something like that, at least you can enjoy weed without getting strung out!

Sorry if i'm lecturing you, i really don't mean to sound in any way patronizing! But if there is anything that i can say to stop you scoring then i will say it! Take care mate & if you ever need someone to talk to then you can PM me anytime! I mean it, PM me anytime for a chat!!! :)

Take Care of your self!!!

~Ructions!!! :) :) :)
 
Some comment on the social consequences of the drug laws that the purity of street heroin is headline news in a Scottish backwater, Whatever happened to the jute mills?

Aw, Ructions, the young user brings out the maternal in you - ''do as I say, not as I do, o.k?''
 
Brewer is/was a trained professional so really he must of known that some of the ( huge ) scripts he was giving out wernt for maintance and was therefore clearly for abuse.
So how do you differate ? Of the people I know that went there the two that used correctly are still happily working/using bringing up family's , the rest are dead.

@Jay radley , your very wrong mate , the old stapleford was very different from today's clinic , you could have what you wanted.it's no exaggeration. Brewer was very lax.
 
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charlie clean said:
RE - did anyone else go to the old Stapleford?


I went once, against my better judgment, as somebody's 'responsible adult'. Guy was off his head before we started and it soon became clear he was aiming for a considerably bigger handout than his habit required. A long day followed. I tried to find entertainment watching the comings and goings of the waiting room and my mate did his best to screw up. Missed his 'slot' when he went out for a ciggie and wandered off. Then, dispatched to collect his trial script, he went to the wrong pharmacy and had to return for directions. On the way to the right chemist he dropped the script in the street. Luckily, someone took it into the chemist who informed the SF and he got it back. When, finally, he took his supervised hit, he gouched out on the table. I was loitering so long the receptionist/secretary/cleaner worried I was an undercover reporter; when I chanced upon her stuffing brown envelopes with grubby Home Counties banknotes she visibly paled.

My mate still left with a good script. Was a postman at the time but not for much longer. Without a wage, he resorted to the traditional user method of paying for a ps and fell into bad company. Left town in foot of the warrant and owing a few quid to the wrong people on top and was never heard of again. Not quite certain I served as all that responsible an adult but there you go.
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I was a total mess for my first appointment there. I had been having a really shit time and had just bought 500 valiums (10mg roche) and had been hitting them pretty hard. I'd decided to try and get clean but instead of sticking to my reducing schedule using oral 'done, I caned through it in about a week instead of the month I had intended so obviously I ended up scoring. I ended up in hospital one night because I had taken about 20 vallies and had 2x20bags and passed out. I just left without treatment though once I regained consciousness.
So I realised that I had to get help and went to the . At the time I was staying with my family in Manchester. I managed to get an appointment at the SF2 days after ringing because the receptionist was really nice and managed to re-organise the appts on that day (so I didn't have to wait the standard 2+ weeks).
Anyway, my appt was just before lunch (so abpout 12pm). I was up at about 7.30 and started on the vallies. By the time I got to my appt, I'd had about 25 but I was just about holding my own. So the doc went through the normal Qs and then I had to do my test dose (I was asking for MST amps, amongst over things). So I went and got my 60mg test amp and went back for the tester. I did it and it knocked me out cold. I was out cold for about 4 hours.
They were really pissed off with me. They scripted me 10mg MST amps and I had to go back in a week for another test dose. That time I didn't take so many valium and got the dose I needed. They upped all my daily amps to 60mg.
Anyway, I was in a bad place at that point and if it wasn't for the SF... I'd probably not be here to tell the story now.

Charlie, I totally agree about Brewer taking you at face value. That's exactly what the SF does. They treat you like an individual with individual needs. Addiction is not the same for every person. The way drug charities work is one standard for all users. The SF has separate program for each person.

Strungout, the thing is when Dr Brewer was working drug treatment in general was hugely different and alot more relaxed than it is now.
The thing is you say that he must have known some of the scripts he prescribed can't of been for maintenance and your probably right. However, if you were to look at my script when I first started there you would probably have said there was no way that it was just for maintenance but it was. The same goes for another person I know who is currently a patient there (he was scripted almost double what I was... MST amps and 'done amps)
 
Ay up folks. Ive been building a timber deck at work on me own this last week, on a good price. On thursday I knew it was gonna piss down, so I thought instead of taking the day off as I usually do I'd buy some decent waterproofs and work-sooner the jobs finished sooner I get paid, and I'm flat broke atm. So I went to screwfix first thing, and was browsing through the waterproof suits, there was a shitty basic one for like £15 and a really nice breathable stylish one for £70. I must of spent half an hour debating which one to get, cursing the fact I had to spend any money at all. Eventually I splashed out on the nice one thru gritted teeth, then as I was on my way to work I was thinking how funny it is that I really fuckin struggle and hate to spend £70 on something that is going to keep me warm and dry at work, and stop me getting ill, whereas next time I get the chance to buy some nice kit, I wont think twice about spending £260 on a Q which will be gone in a week & a half! Fuckin mad innit! Im sure we're all the same. Sorry for the rant it aint particularly interesting, just thought it was funny how I have a completely different value of heroin money and regular money
 
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