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Ecstasy's back and stronger than ever!

Yeah it did I maybe got the dates wrong think it was 07 that bust happened. I never experianced any drought bar a few months at the start then found a constant supply of pre drought pills, hammered 20+ different kinds of E's during 08/09 and absolutely temporarily ruined MDMA for myself. Don't really do it anymore anyway for other reasons.
 
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i wonder if my wife would let me do a Gattermann Synthesis of Aldehydes in the bathtub
 
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rockstar 69 said:
PMK is Piperonylmethylketone.

Although I'm not sure about this it appears contrary to what I thought previously you need some safrass to make it. I'm not at all convinced with this article as there are a few things to me that do not add up whatsoever and I am now out of my depth with this you need someone with some sort of chemistry knowlage, but.......http://www.mdma.net/club-drugs/global-ecstasy.html it's a bit of a read but skim through it there is some intresting stuff at the start and the end. Also explains that bust I was on about in 06 that contributed to the drought.



To be honest I wouldn't take anything from that article as gospel at all. MDMA can be synth'd from straight sassafras oil, so why would they need to make it into PMK? Unless it rations out the sassafras oil a bit further? I'd always thought PMK was completely inorganic.

If this is all true it makes a bit of a joke of the sassafras MDMA vs PMK MDMA (not that it wasn't already a joke as MDMA is MDMA).
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piperonyl methyl ketone (PMK), better known as a synthesised derivative of the sassafras tree
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I don't know anything about chemistry but what I understand from that is that PMK is a synthetic, therefore inorganic, copy of an extract from the sassafras tree. Although I have no idea how you would create that, what you would create it from or if what I've just typed is even in the slightest bit correct.
 
cheers watson's. will read in a mo

people keep referring to E's coming from China. I wonder if safrole oil, which can be synthed into a number of other chemicals, some of which are used in perfume production and a number of other chemicals used for other industries, is being imported to Holland, via China? not that China are producing the pills, but that safrole oil is making its way to Holland, via China and increasing it's capability of producing higher volumes of pills?

I very much doubt that China has signed up for the Convention on Psychotropic Substances which i mentioned earlier, and doesn't give a fuck about it, and the US or the US DEA probably can't trace anything being distributed via China
 
@ crackhead that is exactly what I had previously thought. But after reading that it is not my interpretation. We need someone with some chemistry knowlage or who can understand my first link haha.

@ marmalade yes Hollands raw materials do definately come from China. Says something about it in the second link. I've read stories about the raw materials being busted etc aswell.
 
parttime crackhead said:
I don't know anything about chemistry but what I understand from that is that PMK is a synthetic, therefore inorganic, copy of an extract from the sassafras tree. Although I have no idea how you would create that, what you would create it from or if what I've just typed is even in the slightest bit correct.
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a synthesised derivative is still synthesised from sassafrass ... [edit] or another organic chemical.

all synthetic chemicals have to of come from an original organic source, as far as I remember.

[edit] don't they get called compounds when a chemical has been formed from other synthesised chemicals, which, originally, no matter what, must have come from an original organic source?
 
All i will say on it. Is the crystal i am getting is on par or better that pills 10-15 years ago. End of.=D
 
watsons torment said:
from what i can gather all precursors/intermediates start with essential oils from plants
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yeah. I thought so.

and then those synths can be mixed together to form more synthetic synths [which are classed as compounds, i think]
[edit] and altho they're classed as almost totally synthetic ... the originating chemicals from each synth, before they're combined/mixed, are still derivatives of organic matter[/edit]

such is the half-assed knowledge of a 24 hour, speed/piracitam induced wikitrawl last year
 
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after doin me some research, PMK is just an uncommon name for MDP2P.
i'd be willing to bet most synths running are via MDP2P---->MDMA and not forming the n-formyl intermediate...thats just adding another step that isn't necessary, thats not how shulgin did it, nor does it seem to be all that popular on archives of certain forums.
and PMK...they still use sassafrass oil in production of PMK guaranteed too (safrole comes from sass. oil....safrole is used to manufacture PMK/MDP2P) unless euro chemists are just that cool and can buy it from chemical suppliers.
there are other routes to MDMA that dont involve MDP2P it seems, but none of them are practical for large scale manufacture....and from the ones i've found, all still require sassafrass oil.
 
LSDMDMA&10149213 said:
after doin me some research ...

unless euro chemists are just that cool and can buy it from chemical suppliers.
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... via China, that might be very possible/likely

and cheers. I'm copying what you wrote to a notepad, for when I forget about it all, and need something to remind me, which happens about twice a year for this topic

memory retention and getting old doesn't mix that well
 
Seems there's still enough BMK around here :)... Anyhow what's special about those sassafras trees in tropical countries is that they're filled from root to top with safrole whilst the US only have a small percentage. shame !

In my opinion there is a diffirence inbetween racemic mdma and the two seperate isomers (dosage and effectwise) hence the reason there are so many bullshit stories about new potent MDMA.

MDP2P can be had from piperonal aswell. Many roads lead to rome :)
 
rockstar 69 said:
However anyone who has any clue whatsoever will tell you MDMA is MDMA no matter how it's produced, if it's pure it shouldn't matter how it is made.
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Anyone who has a clue? Like Shulgin?

originally posted by Shulgin - I received research samples of each of the two isomers from my NIMH contacts, and set up a pretty much blind study. One of the results was clear and not unexpected. The "S" isomer was clearly the more potent one -- the effective dose was between 60 and 120 milligrams, whereas the "R" isomer was barely threshold at 160 milligrams. This was about a 2:1 weight ratio favoring the "S" or "stimulant" isomer as defining the action. What was unexpected was that neither isomer gave the magic of the racemic MDMA. It was almost as if both the separate pharmacological components needed to be present to experience the unusual properties of this drug.
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http://www.cognitiveliberty.org/shulgin/adsarchive/isomers.htm
 
SHM said:
originally posted by Shulgin - I received research samples of each of the two isomers from my NIMH contacts, and set up a pretty much blind study. One of the results was clear and not unexpected. The "S" isomer was clearly the more potent one -- the effective dose was between 60 and 120 milligrams, whereas the "R" isomer was barely threshold at 160 milligrams. This was about a 2:1 weight ratio favoring the "S" or "stimulant" isomer as defining the action. What was unexpected was that neither isomer gave the magic of the racemic MDMA. It was almost as if both the separate pharmacological components needed to be present to experience the unusual properties of this drug.
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This is quite a significant piece of information regarding the whole "old skool MDMA" debate!
Fair play for digging it out.
 
all synthetic chemicals have to of come from an original organic source, as far as I remember.
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There's plenty of chemicals nowadays that are completely synthetic, many of the RC's, K, 2c's..

Anyone who has a clue? Like Shulgin?
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That quote is a completely different thing. What I'm saying is if you synth racemic MDMA from the straight safrole route it is the same as racemic MDMA from the PMK route, provided they are cleaned properly. Obviously the two isomers will be different, look at the difference with ketamine.
 
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