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Injecting dangers

I heard it's the red phosphorous in that shit that causes the necrosis.

Which makes me wonder why we never had a spate of rotting arms with badly produced meth back in the red phos meth days
 
it is the proliferation of threads on this topic that stops me going into the 'other drugs' forum so much these days, as it starts to get a bit depressing. so many missed shots and abscesses and people taking risks they know they shouldn't because they're addicted to something illegal. it's sad.
and yeah, that krokodil is some nightmarishly horrific shit. like something out of a william burroughs novel.
 
I'm glad I wasn't born in russia...imagine turning to that stuff :(

I wonder if methadone maintenance will ever be introduced over there? Can't believe it hasn't happened yet...I used to think it was because of lack of funding but methadone is dirt cheap, and you'd think they'd be able to setup dosing clinics for less it'd cost them to treat all these crocodil addicts.

We are so damn lucky here in aus.
 
I was about to go to sleep before I saw this.

That lady in the video reminds me of a zombie lol.
 
Unfortunately Russia is an as* backwards cesspool as far as Drug Policy is concerned. Methadone is not only unavailable, it is iliegal to posses and is one of the few places on the planet where you face prison should you try to import it lin an ostensibly legal manner. Even Dubai and allows it IF you declare it and have the requisite physician paperwork. Interestingly this has resulted in Russia being the only place in the world where home chemists have manufactured the substance.

The usual way in which opiate/opioid addiction is remedied is by confinement, and an increasingly popular method involves actual iron chains and padlocks. Taking the addicts after his or her last dosage they change them into some comfy pajamas and then literally chain them to a hospital bed. In many cases physical reinforcement is applied in the form of slaps as they lie chained, stewing in their own bodily wastes. The only worse treatment was 1980s-era Iran and China where heroin addicts were executed upon relapse. Even Saudi Arabia simply ignores a withdrawing addict (though of course not one possesing a substabce). Today both China and Iran have thriving methadone programmes but Russia has sadly regressed from mental hospitals to abject torture.

As for the videos and "Krokodil," the videos are bullshi*. The substance doesn't cause abcesses any more than any other repeated use of a dull, unhygienic syringe will.
 
As for the videos and "Krokodil," the videos are bullshi*. The substance doesn't cause abcesses any more than any other repeated use of a dull, unhygienic syringe will.


Ofcourse the videos are real. These are ignorant people following a recipe to make desomorphine. It's the red phosphorous [probably] and iodine that is likely rotting people's body parts. The kitchen made stuff is full of impurities , not washed or cleaned of contaminants. Can't find a link to it, but I've heard as of as of June next year Russia is banning over the counter panadeine/nurofen plus type tablets, as that's what's normally used to make krokodil.

I would hope this drug never surfaces here. I can't imagine it could, due to the lack of red phos here. And if there was red phos they'd be making meth.
 
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BobbyDarren: I really don't want to sound like a dic* but the same substances are used to maufacture perhaps 90% of the methamphetamine in the world today. In fact, if you compare both synthesis schemes, the methamphetamine scheme produces much more caustic impurities. I remember seeing the same "Scared Straight" garbage about heroin in New York in the 70s, pointing to some ignorant user's amputated and otherwise deformed body as proof positive of the danger involved with consumption of heroin, "the world's most dangerous drug."

Indeed, you even reveal that you are aware of red phosphorous and its use in mehamphetamine production. Maybe you didn't think the whole thing through. As for Australia not having red phosphorous, of course it does. Americans aren't obtaining Rx grade. You can obtain it quite easily from common sources. As for people making it in Australia, no intelligent addict would mess with it seeing as how you need to dose every 80 minutes BUT I am sure Australia has dumb addicts just like Russia- every nation does. People were making Krokodil in Israel in 2006 (we received hundreds of thousands of new citizens from the Former Soviet Union).
 
I think it's a combo of the poor health/safety methods with IVing and the impure drug itself. Seems like the addicts make it up themselves...I can imagine them making many mistakes and rushing the synthesis so they can get their hit, probably in withdrawals while making it up. Compared to meth where the person making it is generally doing so to sell at least some, so they'd be more inclined to do it properly I guess. I'd say generally someone cooking up some meth would be more on top of their game than a opiate addict trying to get a fix. (even someone strung out would be 'better' at doing this kind of thing somewhat properly)


Could be wrong though, lots of guessing and assumptions there ;)
 
I think it's a combo of the poor health/safety methods with IVing and the impure drug itself. Seems like the addicts make it up themselves...I can imagine them making many mistakes and rushing the synthesis so they can get their hit,

Well it seems the recipie passed on from junkie to junkie in russia in flawed. I don't know about chemistry but I"ve read a few reviews of the russian method by people who appear to have good chemical knowledge. They say what the russians make could barely be called desomorphone. what they're left with is some unreacted codeine, phosphorous, iodine, dihydrocodeine, partially converted codeine-phosphorus and codeine-iodine derivatives. I think another big containment also, but i don't recall what it is.

Anyway, so it's not that desomorphine is the junkie eater, but more it's the synthesis, and possibly dirty needles to boot, not that clean needles would save you.
 
Christ: Most methamphetamine cooked within US borders is cooked by addicts supporting their own habit. One Pot synth? It is nasty stuff but alas, IF one uses a clean syringe, rotates injection sites on their body, and disinfects anything negative, it doesn't even abcess. If people tweaking can manage to not to create such noxious product, a dope-sick Russian can as well. It isn't the substance.

Bobby: Of course there are impurities, just as there is in absolutely any illicitly produced substances- this is how forensic chemists fingerprint heroin, cocaine, etc. It is just obnoxious Russian propaganda and it is-unfortunately- being used to reverse positive attributes like OTC codeine admixtures.
 
It's a shame AUSDD hasn't got [VIDEO] code turned 'ON' so vids can be added, like in some other forums on BL... Just saves navigating away from here ands makes some threads look good :)

This feature has been discussed across BL in the past couple of months and has only just started to be trialled in other forums for a couple of weeks. If it is used appropriately and is of benefit then it will be introduced across the board, including AusDD :)
 
Desomorphine is used medically in some European countries, so I doubt that's what's causing the problems. I'd say it's just horrible injection practices of a highly impure product thanks to repressive drug policies.

Apparently they barely filter the finished product, if at all, just load it into a syringe as is and fire away. I wonder what even some basic micron filters might do in terms of harm reduction over there?
 
2 - Identify risks
What are the risks that Sam exposes himself to as a drug user who injects?

The greatest risk as a user who injects is overdose leading to morbidity (Damage) or mortality (Death), other serious risks and complications include:

• Addiction. Heroin is highly addictive. When an individual persists in use of Heroin or other drugs despite problems related to use of the substance, substance dependence may be diagnosed. Compulsive and repetitive use may result in tolerance to the effect of the drug and withdrawal symptoms when use is reduced or stopped. Addiction can create a huge list of biological, psychological and social distress including chronic disease, relationship problems, poverty and death from overdose.

• Blood borne viruses such as Hepatitis B and C and HIV, the virus that leads to AIDS. Blood borne viruses (BBV’S) are those viruses that are transmitted from the blood of one person to the blood of another person.

• Deep Vein Thrombosis is a blood clot in a deep vein. A clot inside a blood vessel is called thrombosis. Symptoms of Deep Vein Thrombosis (DTV) range from pain, swelling, redness, warmness, and swollen close (superficial veins) in the legs to no symptoms at all. DTV can clear itself but the most serious complication is when the thrombosis dislodges (embolises) and travels into the lungs becoming a life threatening pulmonary embolism (Blockage of the main artery in the lung).

• Phlebitis is an inflammation of a vein, usually in the legs. When phlebitis is associated with the formation of blood clots (thrombosis), usually in the deep veins of the legs, the condition is called thrombophlebitis. These clots can travel to the lungs, causing pulmonary embolisms that can be fatal. Similar to DTV.

• Ulcers and skin infections are common in IV drug users. Ulcers are generally shallow but have hard edges and arise from a combination of inflammation, foreign bodies and infection. Foreign bodies (toxic materials) in the drug can leak out of veins during the injection (extravasation), “Popping” is when a drug is injected into the fatty layer under the skin. Poor injection technique especially dealing with hygiene practice also increases the amount of bacteria on the skin at the injection site and inflammation.

• Abscesses are collections of pus. They are usually caused by infection with Staphylococcus aureus but in drug users they occasionally contain a mixture of aerobic bacteria (that require oxygen) and anaerobic bacteria (that do not require oxygen). These mixed abscesses often result in a foul odour.

• Cellulitis is a common bacterial infection of the skin, which can affect all ages. It usually affects a limb but can occur anywhere on the body. Symptoms and signs are usually localised to the affected area but patients can become generally unwell with fevers, chills and shakes (bacteraemia). Cellulitis is usually caused by Group A streptococci or Staphylococcus aureus.

• Ischaemic gangrene (dry gangrene) Occurs due to chronic impairment of blood flow. In most patients, the affected part is not infected. This type of gangrene presents clinically as tissue that is cold, black, and dry. In most cases, self-amputation eventually occurs. The pathological processes involved may include:
o Atherosclerosis: associated with peripheral artery disease, diabetes mellitus, smoking
o Thrombosis: associated with vasculitis, IV drug abuse, trauma, antiphospholipid syndrome, malignancy View image
o Vasospasm: associated with Raynaud's phenomenon, cocaine abusers.
• Septacemia refers to a bacterial infection in the bloodstream or body tissues. This is a very broad term covering the presence of many types of microscopic disease-causing organisms. Sepsis can originate anywhere bacteria can gain entry to the body; common sites include the genitourinary tract, the liver and its bile ducts, the gastrointestinal tract, and the lungs. Broken or ulcerated skin can also provide access to bacteria commonly present in the environment this is why IV drug users are so susceptible to this.

3 - Provide education for safer drug use
You have the opportunity to provide Sam with education on safer drug use. What advice do you need to give Sam? Discuss some a harm minimisation approaches that you will implement with Sam.

I would start off with revisiting information Sam should/may/may not know (as a seasoned user I’m guessing he’s heard a lot of it before but not necessarily), such as safer injecting sites and injection hygiene. The safest injecting sites are the sides of the arms and the inner elbow face. Injection must always travel with the flow of blood and not against it. Always use the smallest needle possible to prevent vein damage. NSP supplied syringes are designed to only be used once and so should be only used once. Needles will blunt easily when used with a hard spoon and when used repeatedly, and this can cause vein damage. Be sure to use the disinfectant swabs provided in the fit kit as many as you need, at least one to wipe injection site and another to hold down on site after injection. Never share fits with anyone even if you know for a fact they have ‘clean’ blood as this can spread infectious diseases like Hepatitis and HIV. Always have clean hands washed with soapy water before and after use and handling any of the equipment. Always dispose of used fits in the sharps container provided and dispose of container at exchange agency or other appropriate place. Some people like their filter to be wet before using it and I’ve seen people wet them in their mouth, I’d advice against this due to harmful bacteria ones mouth. I would also give Sam advice using proper bacterial wheel filters and info on the dangers of commonly used filters like cigarette butt filters, cotton wool or a piece of the swab. If sterile water is available always use it but remember they also should only be used once as bacteria will grow when left open.
Also I would encourage Sam to use different ROA’s to try and break his ‘ritual’ with using needles, for the mind and the body.

(copied directly from my latest assignment unit CHCAOD407D answered form a case sdtudy, but the info. is there)
 
Be sure to use the disinfectant swabs provided in the fit kit as many as you need, at least one to wipe injection site and another to hold down on site after injection.

I'm fairly sure you're not supposed to apply disinfectant swabs to the site after injection, iirc it slows down healing or something along those lines.

Great info and advice there though.
 
^ I did a bit of digging and found out you may have a point. The reason I suggest the 'clean up' of blood after a shot with a swab is beacause everywhere I hear tells you ti clean your wound with 'something clean'. I think I would still recomend cleaning your site with swabs is because are you ever prepared when blood runs down your arm to find something clean to hold on the site? The swabs are there and they are handy, thats why i've always used the swabs in this time. What is something clean in your injecting area thats cleaner than a swab.
Thanks for your reply... :)
 
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